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LHO and Russian things
Thu 08 Apr 2010, 9:44 pm
First topic message reminder :
I would like to discuss 2 issues regarding LHO and Russian things
1. Various sources claims various level of LHO's ability to speak (write, read) Russian. For example, some Russian sources claim LHO even was almost unable to communicate in Russian, and thus communicate mainly with English speaking people during his Minsk period. While other Russian sources claim he spoke quite well, only with slight accent, considered to be man from Baltics (where I am from), not from America. This point has been approved by Marina (however, I do not think Marina in 1960 could be expert able to detect accents of people while they are speaking Russian, especially, if she had not been in Baltics herself).
Anyway, Russian language contains sounds, or phonetics, not present in English pronouncation of sounds. For example - English born people can not accurately pronouce such sounds as:
- `T` in word `Putin`;
- `L` and first `N` in word `Lenin`;
- `D` in word `Vladimir`.
(on other way, Russians and Baltic people have great problems while pronouncing English sound `th` ).
Baltic people, except Estonians, can pronounce those Russian sounds, since there are similar sounds in our languages.
American sources differs between each other as well.
So the problem is actual ability of LHO to speak and write Russian. I haven't find credible data on it, however, I would like to see Russian text, written by Oswald or recordings of his Russian speaking, to detect his skills by myself (I know Russian good enough).
2. What does mean `White Russians` - people from Belarus (name of country means `White Russia`), or those anti-communist, noble Russians who fled Russia after Revolution of 1917 and Civil War?
If the last - then there is issue with assassination attempt of gen. Walker. Anti-communistic, Tzarist Russians won't be glad for that, especially if they knew LHO was the left symphatizer. However, it is believed George De Moehrenshildt asked Lee `How did you miss Walker?` - real anti-communistic, Tzarist noble Russian should tip off police in this situation...
I would like to discuss 2 issues regarding LHO and Russian things
1. Various sources claims various level of LHO's ability to speak (write, read) Russian. For example, some Russian sources claim LHO even was almost unable to communicate in Russian, and thus communicate mainly with English speaking people during his Minsk period. While other Russian sources claim he spoke quite well, only with slight accent, considered to be man from Baltics (where I am from), not from America. This point has been approved by Marina (however, I do not think Marina in 1960 could be expert able to detect accents of people while they are speaking Russian, especially, if she had not been in Baltics herself).
Anyway, Russian language contains sounds, or phonetics, not present in English pronouncation of sounds. For example - English born people can not accurately pronouce such sounds as:
- `T` in word `Putin`;
- `L` and first `N` in word `Lenin`;
- `D` in word `Vladimir`.
(on other way, Russians and Baltic people have great problems while pronouncing English sound `th` ).
Baltic people, except Estonians, can pronounce those Russian sounds, since there are similar sounds in our languages.
American sources differs between each other as well.
So the problem is actual ability of LHO to speak and write Russian. I haven't find credible data on it, however, I would like to see Russian text, written by Oswald or recordings of his Russian speaking, to detect his skills by myself (I know Russian good enough).
2. What does mean `White Russians` - people from Belarus (name of country means `White Russia`), or those anti-communist, noble Russians who fled Russia after Revolution of 1917 and Civil War?
If the last - then there is issue with assassination attempt of gen. Walker. Anti-communistic, Tzarist Russians won't be glad for that, especially if they knew LHO was the left symphatizer. However, it is believed George De Moehrenshildt asked Lee `How did you miss Walker?` - real anti-communistic, Tzarist noble Russian should tip off police in this situation...
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Re: LHO and Russian things
Fri 08 Nov 2013, 10:36 pm
Your last paragraph sounded sarcastic, but........ the above of it was fantastic! Thanks, again, Tom!
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Re: LHO and Russian things
Fri 20 Dec 2013, 11:38 pm
Each of us who pokes deeply into the three murders in Dallas in late November 1963 must decide if the mind boggling coincidences are a curse or a blessing.
Two coincidences I find fascinating at the moment, maybe because of the background of Charles O. Evans and the FBI's obvious effort to bury his actual background in order to render his letter irrelevant, are Evans' reference to the importance of Wytheville, VA in the investigation in June, 1964, and the major thing about Evans that the FBI did not report of.
1946 Columbus, OH city directory:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=51274280
Charles O Evans 1905 - 1995
Spouse:
Gladys W Evans (1906 - 1975)*
It so happened that Evans was employed from at least 1946 until 1963 by
F & A Lazarus department store in Columbus, OH, as a salesman. The FBI only reported Evans' recent employment of one year at a competing store. Now the coincidences pour into this.
Ruth Payne was a former Lazarus employee.:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10717&relPageId=8
Charles O. Evans wrote a letter he specified as "personal" to Attorney General Robert Kennedy. He advised that it was his opinion, although he could not be sure, that Wytheville was a significant place related to the assassination of JFK.
The Marysville Tribune › 30 December 1941 › Page 5 - Newspapers ...
www.newspapers.com/newspage/4338877/
Mr. and Mrs. Charles O. Evans j (Gladys Watkins> o! Washington,' D. C., called Monday at the home of Merritt Boyles. Mr. and Mrs. Merritt Boyles Jtt- tcndcd a ..
The 1940 US Census shows Evans residing in a Washington DC rooming house employed as a clerk at the
WPA, Works Progress Administration, a federal public works agency intended to employ many skilled
workers and laborers rendered jobless by economic depression.
Charles Evans stood down when the FBI pressed him about his letter to RFK. He was made out to be an unreliable loon by the FBI. He was born in 1905 in this odd little town.:
Malakoff, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malakoff,_Texas
Malakoff is a city in Henderson County, Texas, United States. The population was 2,257 at the 2000 census. The community is named after a Russian fort of ...
Evans had this background :
Ohio, Deaths, 1908-1932, 1938-2007 about Charles Owen Evans
If Evans was unreliable or disturbed, it is not indicated. In 1964, he had recently completed 18 years of steady employment with Lazarus. After his wife Gladys died in 1975, he was stable enough to soon remarry.
Although there was the weakly supported report in late November, 1963 of a recent Oswald sighting by a Red Cross volunteer in Wytheville, the other intriguing point here besides the FBI's omission about Evans' employment, is that Wytheville was the home place of NSA's John B. Hurt's mother. Hurt's wife was a Russian cellist named Ana Drittle.
Greg Parker examined the origin of the name similar to John B. Hurt's wife's name appearing here.:
Harrod G. Miller was a colleague of John B. Hurt in the 1930's and early 1940's....
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17207&p=217664
The point of this post is not to sensationalize or to overemphasize any of the included details. I am sharing what I believe is a wells supported observation that the "coincidences" that are potential leads, instead are so numerous and oddly situated that they result in a quagmire that persuades me that the more details you become familiar with, the less you
can conclude with reasonable certainty.
BTW, there is also this.:
Two coincidences I find fascinating at the moment, maybe because of the background of Charles O. Evans and the FBI's obvious effort to bury his actual background in order to render his letter irrelevant, are Evans' reference to the importance of Wytheville, VA in the investigation in June, 1964, and the major thing about Evans that the FBI did not report of.
1946 Columbus, OH city directory:
Name: | Charles D Evans | ||||
Gender: | Male | ||||
Residence Year: | 1946 | ||||
Street Address: | 2791 Joyce av | ||||
Residence Place: | Columbus, Ohio | ||||
Occupation: | Clerk F & R Lazarus | ||||
Publication Title: | Columbus, Ohio, City Directory, 1946 | ||||
Household Members |
|
Charles O Evans |
Male |
1953 |
735 Oakland Park Ave |
Columbus, Ohio |
Salesman F & R Lazarus |
Gladys W Evans |
Columbus, Ohio, City Directory, 1953 |
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=51274280
Charles O Evans 1905 - 1995
Spouse:
Gladys W Evans (1906 - 1975)*
It so happened that Evans was employed from at least 1946 until 1963 by
F & A Lazarus department store in Columbus, OH, as a salesman. The FBI only reported Evans' recent employment of one year at a competing store. Now the coincidences pour into this.
Ruth Payne was a former Lazarus employee.:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10717&relPageId=8
Charles O. Evans wrote a letter he specified as "personal" to Attorney General Robert Kennedy. He advised that it was his opinion, although he could not be sure, that Wytheville was a significant place related to the assassination of JFK.
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1375&bih=775&noj=1&sclient=psy-ab&q=jfk.hood.edu+evans+oakland+columbus[PDF]
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI Records Files/105-82555/105-82555 Section 202/202b.pdf]01. 100-10461 - - - M..[/url]
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105.../105.../202b.pdf
was going to see the President KENNEDY motorcade in downtown. Dallas, Texas. ..... a letter written by CHARLES EVANS, 1735 Oakland _. ' 'Park Avenue ... EVANS and his family departed Columbus, Ohio, on an extended vacation traveling ...[PDF]
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI Records Files/105-82555/105-82555 Section 188/188b.pdf],lrl' " . I. ' ~ It. I i I I[/url]
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105.../105.../188b.pdf
Attorney General by a Charley-Evans, 1335 Oakland I-er}: Lvenue,. Columbus, Ohio. This lettc was receiv'é'Tfrofi'thtr ... assassination of President Kennedy, la the interview you s'ftoulr? also attmpt to obtain from Evans the source of his all: ...
The Marysville Tribune › 30 December 1941 › Page 5 - Newspapers ...
www.newspapers.com/newspage/4338877/
Mr. and Mrs. Charles O. Evans j (Gladys Watkins> o! Washington,' D. C., called Monday at the home of Merritt Boyles. Mr. and Mrs. Merritt Boyles Jtt- tcndcd a ..
The 1940 US Census shows Evans residing in a Washington DC rooming house employed as a clerk at the
WPA, Works Progress Administration, a federal public works agency intended to employ many skilled
workers and laborers rendered jobless by economic depression.
Charles Evans stood down when the FBI pressed him about his letter to RFK. He was made out to be an unreliable loon by the FBI. He was born in 1905 in this odd little town.:
Malakoff, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malakoff,_Texas
Malakoff is a city in Henderson County, Texas, United States. The population was 2,257 at the 2000 census. The community is named after a Russian fort of ...
Evans had this background :
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries |
|
Charles Owen Evans |
20 Feb 1905 |
Texas |
United States |
Male |
White |
24 Jul 1995 |
05:25 PM |
Long-Term Care Facilities |
Columbus |
Franklin |
061748 |
90 |
Other/Nursing Home |
577-22-2457 |
Evans |
Widowed |
4 years college |
No |
Department stores |
Sales workers, other commodities |
2501 |
Although there was the weakly supported report in late November, 1963 of a recent Oswald sighting by a Red Cross volunteer in Wytheville, the other intriguing point here besides the FBI's omission about Evans' employment, is that Wytheville was the home place of NSA's John B. Hurt's mother. Hurt's wife was a Russian cellist named Ana Drittle.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15502&page=1
Feb 19, 2010 - 15 posts - 4 authors
John B. Hurt, Retired Aide Of National Security Unit - New York Times - Aug 9, 1966. Mr. Hurt is survived by his widow, Mrs. Ana Dritfell Burt, ...
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Greg Parker examined the origin of the name similar to John B. Hurt's wife's name appearing here.:
Harrod G. Miller was a colleague of John B. Hurt in the 1930's and early 1940's....
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The point of this post is not to sensationalize or to overemphasize any of the included details. I am sharing what I believe is a wells supported observation that the "coincidences" that are potential leads, instead are so numerous and oddly situated that they result in a quagmire that persuades me that the more details you become familiar with, the less you
can conclude with reasonable certainty.
BTW, there is also this.:
- Fortas Admits Criticizing Friend's Statement On War . - Google News
news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19680718&id...
Fortas Admits Criticizing Friend's Statement on War . ... Lazarus, in a meeting of the Business Council in Hot Springs, in May 1967 estimated escalation of the ...
The Fortas Reflex | News | The Harvard Crimson
www.thecrimson.com/article/.../the-fortas-reflex-pwhen-supreme-court/
"With the increasing intensity of the War in Vietnam," the Times reported in 1967, ... The next day Lazarus received a call from Justice Fortas, which the Times ...
Attempt to Stop Fortas Debate Fails By 14-Vote Margin - CQ Press ...
library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal68-1284316
Justice Fortas admitted that in 1967 he had telephoned Ralph Lazarus, ... Inc., to complain about the businessman's public criticism of the Vietnam war budget.
- Mark A. O'Blazney
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Join date : 2013-10-03
Re: LHO and Russian things
Sat 21 Dec 2013, 11:18 pm
Looking forward to the refutations of Ruth Paine. "Oh, my, did he say THAT?"
Your time to come clean, Ms. Paine. Great posting, Tom. Thanks again, swell to see you up and about. Happy holidays, too !
Your time to come clean, Ms. Paine. Great posting, Tom. Thanks again, swell to see you up and about. Happy holidays, too !
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