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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 10:27 am
Here's the page from Farid's paper showing his result. When I first read the paper I thought it was a bit strange that this was shown in a small dim and dark image, but now I know why. Farid doesn't want you to notice that the figure has been 'verticalised'. The Sneaky Bastard! The ground plane going across at a slight angle I suppose is meant to help with the illusion that the figure is supposed to be unbalanced. I originally thought that the figure, which I have called 'Graphic Man' was a bit too vertical, but didn't think any more of it. 

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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 10:36 am
Here is a large image of Graphic Man taken from an article on the New Atlas website
https://newatlas.com/backyard-photo-lee-harvey-oswald-pose-authentic/39924/
(see view gallery in article)




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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Tue 27 Nov 2018, 12:10 am
Here is a promo tryptich taken from the BBC online article "The Hidden Signs that can reveal if a photo is fake". This is a BBC puff piece PR article on Farid.


http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170629-the-hidden-signs-that-can-reveal-if-a-photo-is-fake

It seems here that Farid modified the original version of the promo image by reducing the extra tilt to from 3 degrees to 2. He then altered the background of Fish Man to line up with the ground in the photo and put some clothes on him. Perhaps he worried that British audiences were not as stupid as US audiences. Not sure about that but it doesn't pay to take chances I guess.

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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Tue 27 Nov 2018, 1:30 am
One goof I have made is forgetting that the centre of gravity in a person is somewhere in the middle of their body. Therefore a 3-D model is necessary to determine its position in relation to the boundary of the feet.

Therefore you cannot use the centre of gravity on the surface of the 2-D picture to determine anything with regard to stability without the 3-D model. So the picture with a line drawn down as I showed previously (see below) is wrong. It has not accounted for the fact that centre of gravity is actually further back into Oswald's body, and therefore the vertical line will land closer to his feet.



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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Tue 27 Nov 2018, 11:10 pm
Actually I'm not sure about the above. I don't really know anything about the drawing of the vertical lines from centre of gravity to the ground business.
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Tue 27 Nov 2018, 11:25 pm
Here is a picture of Fish Man with the vertical centre of gravity line extended through his torso. This shows that the figure is essentially vertical. This line goes through the bolt handle and through the figure's left eye.




Next is the original C133A with the same line drawn through the bolt handle and Oswald's left eye.




Next is the image that I believe Farid should have used to fit his 3-D model. This is C133A with the fence post parallel to the edge of the photo. This means (if the fence post is vertical) that the line of gravity in the photo is aligned with the line of gravity in the actual physical backyard. I have again drawn the same line between the bolt handle and Oswald's left eye.


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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Wed 28 Nov 2018, 11:05 am
Here is the C133A that has been rotated 3 degrees from the paper with same line drawn through Oswald's left eye and bolt handle from rifle. It seems that 3-D model is not even fitted to this image correctly.

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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Wed 28 Nov 2018, 8:11 pm
I've taken Farid's promo triptych from the New Atlas website

https://newatlas.com/backyard-photo-lee-harvey-oswald-pose-authentic/39924/

and cut off the wire frame image on the right. It is now a diptych. This makes comparisons between the (cranked over) Oswald and Fish Man more simple.

Here you can see that the legs of the figures are quite parallel to each other. This is because Farid matched the 3-D model to the legs properly. Since the legs are long elements any discrepancy in angle here would be obvious to the eye. 




However adding the line between the figures' left eye and bolt handle shows that the torso has been made more vertical. On the Oswald figure this line ends at Oswald's front foot, but on Fish Man it ends near to the back foot. Making the torso more vertical is harder for the eye to detect as Oswald's torso is a dark color with shadows etc impinging on it.

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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Thu 29 Nov 2018, 6:58 pm
Here's an interesting development. The Dartmouth News article has already disappeared from the internet. Since I thought that something like this might happen I took screenshots of it. The URL is (or was):

https://news.dartmouth.edu/news/2015/10/settling-controversy-over-photo-lee-harvey-oswald




If you try to access this URL you now get this error message



Fast work from the boys at Dartmouth College!
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Thu 29 Nov 2018, 7:18 pm
For those curious about the article, I took screenshots of the whole thing. 

http://i68.tinypic.com/2r2lzs8.jpg" alt="" />
















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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Thu 29 Nov 2018, 7:47 pm
Here's a google search screenshot showing I last accessed the site on 23/11/18, so the disappearance of this online article, unless it comes back again, occurred in the last week.

 
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Thu 29 Nov 2018, 7:59 pm
False alarm. The Dartmouth News article is back again.
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Thu 29 Nov 2018, 11:55 pm
Here is C133B showing the fence aligned to the photo. OnScreenProtractor measures the angle at 270 degrees, ie vertical. Notice that Oswald is standing fairly vertical.  


Now here is C133C. Perhaps I've been doing this too long and I'm starting to see things. The fence angle is 265.97 according to OnScreenProtractor, that is, the fence is tilted over approx 4 degrees, yet Oswald is still standing vertically. This picture is so bad it looks like Oswald is standing on the side of a hill. 



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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Fri 30 Nov 2018, 7:31 pm
The above images show that C133C is totally incompatible with C133B. The problem with the backyard photos is that Oswald should be parallel to the fence post in all the photos. However he is not parallel to the fence post in C133A and C133C. These test photos show what should have happened to Oswald in those photos:
 
 






 
 
As the camera is tilted, everything in the photo should tilt, including Oswald. The fence post tilts, but Oswald does not. This proves that something funny is going on, such as the bungling hand of the CIA. Distortion may be present, but Oswald and the fence post are close together in the photograph, so that in my opinion whatever distortion is present should affect both elements. Oswald does not appear particularly distorted, so why should the fence post appear distorted?
 
I am speculating something like the following scenario. Farid’s phoney C133A which has been rotated such that the fence post is now at 5 degrees from the vertical, was originally similar to C133C. Thus Oswald was originally vertical in C133A. 
 
Close to the time of the assassination the plotters received the photos from the CIA paste-up shop. To their horror the photos were a complete balls-up. The compositor had perhaps been confused by all the verticals in the background, perhaps the wires of communication had got crossed, perhaps he was an idiot, perhaps the paste-up job had to be finished in too much of a hurry etc etc. Except for C133B Oswald was pasted vertically into backgrounds that were slanted.
 
From the appearance of C133A my guess is that this was intended to be the ‘money shot’ (similar to WTC2). This is the nicely composed image that is intended for repeated media coverage, magazine covers etc. C133A was originally intended to have the vertical fence post in C133B as the background and so appear like a photo that, for some miraculous reason, the amateur photographer (Marina) got right. The other two photos should have shown Oswald on a tilt along with the fence. These were intended to look like practice photos or bodges etc. Having used an Imperial Reflex camera I can say that it is very easy to tilt the camera while looking into the little screen on the top.
 
So C133C was chucked out, but C133A had to be kept. C133B in my opinion would cause problems if used by itself. Oswald’s neck just does not look finished enough in this photo which might have caused unwanted scrutiny. Therefore C133A was rotated back 3 degrees to a compromise position so that the fence angle is not so noticeable and Oswald is not tilting too far to the left. However Oswald was now tilted far enough to cause the suspicion about his balance which has gone on for decades.
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Mon 03 Dec 2018, 8:42 pm
Here is C133A showing angle Oswald makes to fence post.




Here is C133C showing angle of Oswald to fence post:




Here is C133B showing angle Oswald makes to fence post:





According to the measurements in this and images showing measurements of angles of fence posts previously posted,

C133A 277.62 - 268.22 = 9.40 degrees

C133C 274.14 - 265.97 = 8.17 degrees

C133B 270.42 - 270.00 = 0.42 degrees

Since in the physical backyard the fence post is close to vertical and Oswald must stand fairly close to vertical, C133A and C133C are physically impossible. This proves that the Oswald figures in C133A and C133C are paste-ins.
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Mon 10 Dec 2018, 10:28 pm
Here is a photo of cop standing in backyard. Note that as the fence is tilted, the cop remains parallel to the fence. Compare this to C133C, which if had been faked properly would have resembled this picture.

 
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Tue 11 Dec 2018, 1:50 pm
I’m just wondering why LHO is wearing his Marine Corps ring in these photos that convinced America he was the alienated commie rat who killed the president. And why LHO was wearing same at his arrest. Isn’t this the ‘tell’ hiding in plain sight that he wasn’t who he was pretending to be?
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Sun 16 Dec 2018, 10:04 pm
"I’m just wondering why LHO is wearing his Marine Corps ring in these photos that convinced America he was the alienated commie rat who killed the president. And why LHO was wearing same at his arrest. Isn’t this the ‘tell’ hiding in plain sight that he wasn’t who he was pretending to be?"


1. As far as the photos are concerned, obviously the use of the Marine Corps ring is intended to create the impression that the figure is Oswald.


2. Oswald obviously was not worried about the discordance between his Marine Corp widgets and his apparent belief in socialism. If you look at the film of Oswald handing out leaflets in New Orleans, he is wearing the bangle on his left wrist. (For many years I thought this was a watch Oswald was wearing) 


Maybe it would work as a conversation starter, for example Oswald being a Marine and all that, had converted to socialism but did not reject his Marine buddies and military experiences etc etc. Since military personnel are considered in the US as the equivalent of saints, showing overtly but discreetly via the widgets that he had military experience would I assume usually create positive impressions on most people he met.
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Re: The Backyard Photos: Ring Transposition and and LHO stance

on Mon 17 Dec 2018, 7:59 am
MrScrambledEgg wrote:"I’m just wondering why LHO is wearing his Marine Corps ring in these photos that convinced America he was the alienated commie rat who killed the president. And why LHO was wearing same at his arrest. Isn’t this the ‘tell’ hiding in plain sight that he wasn’t who he was pretending to be?"


1. As far as the photos are concerned, obviously the use of the Marine Corps ring is intended to create the impression that the figure is Oswald.


2. Oswald obviously was not worried about the discordance between his Marine Corp widgets and his apparent belief in socialism. If you look at the film of Oswald handing out leaflets in New Orleans, he is wearing the bangle on his left wrist. (For many years I thought this was a watch Oswald was wearing) 


Maybe it would work as a conversation starter, for example Oswald being a Marine and all that, had converted to socialism but did not reject his Marine buddies and military experiences etc etc. Since military personnel are considered in the US as the equivalent of saints, showing overtly but discreetly via the widgets that he had military experience would I assume usually create positive impressions on most people he met.
LI had wondered why I could not find any similar Marine rings - now I know. It was wasn't a Marine ring at all. He had purchased it in Japan.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=m1E4DgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT102&dq=oswald%20ring%20minsk&pg=PT102#v=onepage&q=oswald%20ring%20minsk&f=false

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