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Wed 01 Feb 2017, 2:07 am
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In their combined after-action report to Chief Curry (DPD Archives, Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10, page 22)
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm
Batchelor, Lumpkin and Stevenson wrote that on returning to the TSBD they conferred with Inspector Sawyer. They wrote that, “Sawyer had placed guards on the building to prevent anyone from going in or coming out.”


At that time Lumpkin entered the building and instructed that it be completely sealed off, that no one be allowed to leave or enter.”...

From the Dallas Dispatch tapes:
  12:49
15 (Capt. C.E. Talbert)15 is at the scene. We -- the building's the old Purse Company on the east side of Houston. Somebody cut off the back side, will you? Make sure nobody leaves there.


1515's in charge down here. Correction, 5's (Dept. Chief G.L. Lumpkin) in charge.

Mr. FRITZ. Well, sir; we arrived there---we arrived at the hospital at 12:45, if you want that time, and at the scene of the offense at 12:58.
Mr. BALL. 12:58; the Texas School Book Depository Building.


Mr. FRITZ. After I arrived one of the officers asked me if I would like to have the building sealed and I told him I would.
Mr. BALL. What officer was that?
Mr. FRITZ. That is a uniformed officer,  

Sawyer's WC testimony:
Mr. BELIN. When was the order given to cover the front entrance of the building?
Mr. SAWYER. Well, they had it covered when I got there. There were officers all around the front. The only thing I don't think had been done by the time I got there, was the instructions not to let anybody in or out.
Mr. BELIN. All right, now, did you give the instructions not to let anyone in or out?
Mr. SAWYER. I did.

Mr. BELIN. Did you give those instructions before or after you came down from the fourth floor or top floor?
Mr. SAWYER. After I got down.


Forrest Sorrels' WC testimony:
How much time do you think elapsed from the time the shots were fired until the time you returned to the Book Depository?
Mr. SORRELS - I don't believe it could have been over about 20 minutes, because we went to the hospital just as fast as we possibly could, and I wasn't there very long.
And we came back as fast as we could.
Of course we didn't get back as fast as we went out there, because traffic was moving.
The other way it was just cleared out to the Trade Mart. We had clear sailing from the time that the shots were fired until we got to the Trade Mart, because that was the route that we were going to go anyway. And that was cleared out.
But coming back, of course, there was traffic. We did come back under lights and siren, as fast as we could.
But there was traffic that slowed us up some.
Mr. STERN - So you estimate not more than 20 minutes?
Mr. SORRELS - I don't believe it could have been more than 20 or 25 minutes at the very most.

Mr. STERN - There was no policeman stationed at the loading platform when you came up?
Mr. SORRELS - I did not see one; no, sir.
Mr. STERN - And you were able to enter the building without identifying yourself?
Mr. SORRELS - Yes, sir.

Mr. STERN - Then you got inside the building and what did you do?
Mr. SORRELS - I asked for the manager, and I was directed to Mr. Truly. He was standing there.
I went up and identified myself to him. I said, "I want to get a stenographer, and we would like to have you put down the names and addresses of every employee of the building, in the building."



On the one hand, it could be said that this was a good thing. You have several policemen in positions of authority (captains, inspectors, deputy chiefs) ordering that the building be sealed off, preventing anyone from escaping. On the other hand, you've got several people issuing orders at the same time. Who does the average policeman obey, and how do they carry out their instructions?


I think this is important, because I have cross referenced WC testimony, after-action reports, and the dispatch tapes, and I've come to believe that Truly approached Deputy Chief Lumpkin and told him about Oswald being missing, before the building was sealed off and anyone could have come and gone.
In his WC testimony, Truly said that he approached Lumpkin around 11:50. 
In his after-action report, Lumpkin would write:


A few minutes after arrival at the building, Mr. Truly, building manager, went to Lumpkin and stated that he had some information that one of his employees that had been there until a few minutes earlier was now missing.”
In the Dispatch Tapes, Talbert was reporting that Lumpkin was in the building as of 12:49.
Sorrels didn't arrive until around 1:00 PM, and the back door wasn't secured yet; and Fritz didn't arrive until 12:58 and ordered the building locked down.

When Truly testified to the WC, he said he got Oswald's description from Aiken at the other warehouse off Oswald's job application.
Representative FORD. In your description of Oswald to Captain Fritz, did you describe the kind of clothes that Oswald had on that day?
Mr. TRULY. I don't know, sir. No, sir; I just told him his name and where he lived and his telephone number and his age, as 23, and I said 5 feet, 9, about 150 pounds,
light brown hair--whatever I picked up off the description there. I did not try to depend on my memory to describe him. I just put down what was on this application blank. That's the reason I called Mr. Aiken, because I did not want to mislead anybody as to a description. I might call a man brown-halted, and he might be blonde.



The only problem is, is that Oswald's TSBD application does not say what color his hair is:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0118b.htm 


In his after-action report, Lumpkin wrote:


"Lieutenant Erich Kaminski was placed on the inner door of the building...As each office and floor was cleared the employees were stopped by Kaminski and Mr. Truly at the front door where their names, addresses and telephone numbers were written down, and they were identified by Mr. Truly as to their employment.” “A few minutes after arrival at the bulding, Mr. Truly, building manager, went to Lumpkin and stated that he had some information that one of his employees that had been there until a few minutes earlier was now missing.”


Truly makes no mention of manning the front door with Kaminsky in his WC testimony.

This goes to the thread in this Forum asking if Truly was the source of the description that was put out on the radio, and I think Truly provided that description before the building was sealed off and it could be determined that Oswald was missing. 

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Mon 27 May 2019, 11:06 am
None truer.
Had he not gone for some TwinStrangers.com plot from a 1950's Disney movie and squandered even Uncle Malcolms aide to produce the largest jfk research turd ever squeezed out. Larva & Flea, a second graders take on the assassination.
Ooh gad instead we get Donald Norton shedding epidermis from great heights... pitty
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Mon 27 May 2019, 11:16 am
And he doesnt even have the temerity to include Norton in the pages.
Its where his "research" led and fuck all if he doesnt distance himself from his own ends.
To be John must be a nightly terror.
Sorry Alex, didnt mean to add more restlessness.
Sleep well,
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Mon 27 May 2019, 4:18 pm
Interesting report by Dyson, Greg.
I see Dyson made Captain just in time to handle the Garrison inquiries.

As a mater of fact Dyson was groomed for the head job. So its doubtful he would ever talk about the tsbd search, sealing the building etc, and give real answers.
Too bad, he was an Insider.

"Former Dallas Police Chief W. Frank Dyson brought numerous innovations to the city's police force, including moving women into patrol duty and the launching the department's first helicopter unit.
After a 23-year career with the Dallas department, he spend nine years as chief of police in Austin.
Dyson, 90, died Thursday at his home in Robinson of complications from an inoperable brain tumor.
Services will be at 10 a.m. Tuesday at Waco Memorial Park and Chapel on Interstate 35 in Robinson.
Frank Dyson, former Dallas police chief

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Born in Rotan, Dyson grew up in Stanton, where he graduated from high school in 1944. He served in the Navy at the end of World War II.
He worked as a carpenter and as a roughneck on an off-shore oil rig before joining the Dallas Police Department in 1950. He advanced through the ranks to serve as patrol division supervisor, head of the vice squad and detective before he was named captain in 1961.
(ED'S NOTE: HE WAS A LIEUTENANT IN 63 AND A CAPTAIN BY 67)
In 1969, Dyson became the first Dallas officer to attend the FBI training academy since a rift developed between the department and the bureau after the investigation of President John F. Kennedy's assassination.
EDS NOTE: THAT'S QUITE A DISTINCTION AS DYSON WAS LIKELY A HOOVER MAN OR CONDUIT TO FBI

In December 1969, Dyson became the youngest person named Dallas police chief in city history, at age 42. At the time, he was had been chief of administration to Chief Charles Batchelor, who that September learned he had lung cancer. (He died in office that year.)

Dyson had a national reputation for administration and had been offered the chief's job in San Diego and Miami.

"That's kind of what led to his appointment in Dallas. He had actually accepted the job in Miami," said his daughter, Emily Allen of Valley Mills. "Chief Batchelor said, 'Wait, don't do anything — I have plans' and told him not to take that job."
Batchelor was modernizing the department and wanted to hire officers with better educations. Dyson worked closely with the hospitalized chief, who was on unlimited leave of absence.
"He carried on some of it [Batchelor's plans], but he was quite honestly very innovative," his daughter said. "He put in a lot of things himself."
In 2009, Dyson helped celebrate the 40th anniversary of the helicopter unit he founded.
"I felt like the Police Department was ready for that kind of service," he recalled of its creation. "It just had so much potential to enhance police operations."
At the time, some people believed the unit would be too costly and dangerous.
In 1972, the department assigned women to patrol cars for the first time.
"We began taking police women out of strictly clerical roles and put them into positions where their police training could be put to practical use," he recalled.
Dyson began his time as chief with widespread approval of the rank and file, but he ran into opposition over ideas others considered liberal, such as putting civilians in decison-making roles and closing recruiting to whites in an effort to increase minority officer hiring.
Dyson was the first Dallas police chief to have a college degree, which he earned as an officer from Sam Houston State University.
(Qualified him to to be a G-Man)
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He left the Dallas department in 1973. He worked in real estate for about a year before being appointed executive director of the Governor's Organized Crime Prevention Council.
In 1976, he was named Austin's chief of police. He retired nine years later and moved to Robinson.
In addition to his daughter, Dyson is survived by his wife, Mary Dyson of Robinson; two other daughters, Linda Britt of Austin and Vickie Newton of Greenville; a son, Jay Dyson of College Station"

"When I began my career w/Dallas PD in 1955, Frank was my Sgt., & he was responsible for my receiving the 1955 Rookie of the Year Award. He was not only a wonderful supervisor, but a good friend as well. He was highly respected by all officers of DPD & we were proud to see him "go up the ranks" - probably one of the best Chiefs Dallas has ever had. Rest in Peace, my Friend in Blue. I'll see you again one day.
Rufus High, Savoy, Texas"

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