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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Sun 23 Apr 2017, 8:26 pm

This is where Markham was doing a job.
A flooring job.
Walnut Hill Hardware
listed in 1955 Life Magazine as #127 Walnut Hill Shopping Center...
and in 1960 Jefferson Yearbook as a sponsor
http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/Thomas_Jefferson_High_School_Document_Yearbook/1960/Page_340.html

But best of all!!
They were a sporting goods company.
They sold ammo most likely
The person contacted a W. Batts claimed no knowledge of any Mannlicher Carcano ammo.




Must have been weird to be running that that store and the Feds are looking at two possible connections to your business.
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Post by The Prodigal Son on Sun 23 Apr 2017, 9:26 pm

Great stuff, Ed.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

...fuck Mark Lane.
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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 10:34 am

Thank you Lee.
What can you say, Mrs Oswald and Mark Lane, loyers and their clients,,,
Well... at least Lane wasn't too busy to talk with the real suspects.

Vinny she still wanted to catch her bus at 1:12, she was going to leave the scene when another witness told her she better stay. She didn't want to be late. She was that concerned about being on time for her job.
Or she did not want to talk to the cops about what and who she had witnessed gun down a officer.

Also she described a quick draw.
Where you work the hammer to fire rapidly is also a quick draw technique,
Which begs the question of the defective firing pin, the whole web of a hand caught the pistols hammer during the arreset in the theater.

The pistol brings this all back around to the altercation and planting the/a pistol on LHO.
Cops carried throw downs for this very purpose.
An unregistered often filed down and bored out pistol, totally untraceable yet easily tied into any crime they wanted due to the throw downs very existence, designed to get a cop out of a bad situation... or incriminate whomever they say shot that weapon. Oswald was framed for the Tippit murder and likely didnt know even what happened.

How much of the interrogation questioning was about Tippit shooting.

Why did James end up in a corrections facility graveyard.
No family took it upon themselves to pay for a public cemetary burial.
Was James a career burglar. Did he die in prison for burglary. Or did he get what he deserved.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 11:28 am

Dispatcher78.  
 12:54pm78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)78.  
 DispatcherYou are in the Oak Cliff area, are you not?  
 78Lancaster and Eighth.  
 DispatcherYou will be at large for any emergency that comes in.  
 7810-4.
 
 
The JFK Assassination Dallas Police Tapes
[size=32]History in Real Time[/size]
Part Two
 
 
 
 
CitizenHello, police operator?  
 1:16pmDispatcherGo ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.  
 CitizenThere's been a shooting out here.  
 DispatcherWhere's it at?  
 DispatcherThe citizen using the police radio . . .  
 CitizenTenth Street.  
 DispatcherWhat location on Tenth Street?  
 CitizenBetween Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.  
 DispatcherCan you hear me?  
  (Man and woman's voices in background)  
 Dispatcher78.  
 CitizenIt's in a police car, number 10.  
 Dispatcher78.  
 Dispatcher (?)78.  
 CitizenGot that?  
 CitizenHello, police operator. Did you get that?  
 DispatcherAttention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.  
 CitizenThank you.  
 35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)35.  
 259 (unknown)259.  
 DispatcherThe citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.  
 Dispatcher91.

 
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Post by Mick Purdy on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 12:29 pm

Dispatcher to Tippit at 12.54pm

"you'll be at large for any emegency that comes in"

Tippit reports he is at Lancaster and Eighth.


Tippit was killed not more than 3 1/2 blocks away near 10th and Patton St. sometime after the last communication back to base at 12.54pm.







The hospital report notes Tippit was DOA at 1.15pm. 


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Post by greg parker on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 7:10 pm

Thank you Lee. 
What can you say, Mrs Oswald and Mark Lane, loyers and their clients,,, 
Well... at least Lane wasn't too busy to talk with the real suspects.
That would have been a feather in his cap... if he had realized James should be a suspect.


I only know of one person who suspected James prior to ROKC - Jim Olmstead, but as far as I remember, Jim never really got around to spelling out his reasons.

Quick review: Who was it again that worked out Oswald never lived at the N Beckley rooming house? Who was it that worked out the real time of Tippit's death? Who was it that found the proof that "OH Lee" was nothing more than a registry entry denoting a room number (0) and a first initial and surname (Herbert Lee)? Who was it who pegged Hill as the bad guy in Oak Cliff that day? 

You bunch of hooligans, that's who. And not even counting a bunch of stuff I'm no doubt forgetting, this brief summary has more substance and importance than all the books and chapters combined on the Tippit murder. Not one of 'em gets close to this stuff. The simplicity is only matched by the enormity of any single one of those items. That room number especially, still freaks me out as to how simple it is. One Room number + one Herbert Lee = one non-existent OH Lee. It deserves a friggin Nobel Prize in Mathematics.

Okay. rant over.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 9:09 pm

Good on ya Ed,

thanks mate
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Post by greg parker on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 11:01 pm

A 2001 google group post by Jim Olmstead:

 dcwillis: One of the two sons lived out of state......I forget which
one.....the other son was deeply involved in stolen cars.....I believe he
is the younger of the two....James?  There is some information around
dealing with the DPD arresting this son, and he almost broke his neck
trying to escape.  Two of the Tippit wittnesses, that live at the end of
the street were conncected to this son and one I believe was on probation
at the time of the Tippit killing.
I will have to get into my files, I beleive that I posted on this last
year.
just  remembered this might help

Mr. BALL. Did you go down to where the policeman was shot?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes.
          Mr. BALL. What did you see?
          Mr. SMITH. Saw the policeman lying on the ground. I mean on the
street.
          Mr. BALL. And did a crowd gather around there?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
          Mr. BALL. How long did you stay there?
          Mr. SMITH. About 45 minutes.
          Mr. BALL. Did you give your name to the police?
          Mr. SMITH. No, sir.
          Mr. BALL. Why?
          Mr. SMITH. Because I was on probation. I thought it might hurt
my probation record.
          Mr. BALL. All right; you did tell someone you had seen it,
didn't you?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes.
          Mr. BALL. Who?
          Mr. SMITH. This boy I ran around with.
          Mr. BALL. What's his name?
          Mr. SMITH. James Markham.
          Mr. BALL. Is he the son of Helen Markham?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
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Post by The Prodigal Son on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 2:17 am


What a great thread.  Brought back some memories.  What it felt like to genuinely work through things as a team - going through logically, precisely and with a completely open mind.  There were a couple of blips when Turnip Head Gilbride wiped his arse on proceedings but it's interesting looking at how virtually everyone else was interested in bringing up new items, new ideas and new evidence - whereas the Paint Sniffer thought he knew it all already.

But - there's always one.

I do miss it all sometimes.
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Post by greg parker on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 8:44 am

The Prodigal Son wrote:

What a great thread.  Brought back some memories.  What it felt like to genuinely work through things as a team - going through logically, precisely and with a completely open mind.  There were a couple of blips when Turnip Head Gilbride wiped his arse on proceedings but it's interesting looking at how virtually everyone else was interested in bringing up new items, new ideas and new evidence - whereas the Paint Sniffer thought he knew it all already.

But - there's always one.

I do miss it all sometimes.
It was exceptional work, and one of a number of such examples right here in this forum.  I re-read such threads maybe with a little nostalgia, but more so with a mixed sense of pride and despair that it's cutting edge -- clinically ripping this case apart - yet still confined to our little group and the relative few lurkers who may stumbled on it.

Again using the OH Lee BS as an example - look at what that alone means to this case - 

- There was no OH Lee 
- Oswald never lived at that address
- The authorities encouraged the stories of Earlene Roberts where it suited them and disparaged them when it not (police car honks)
- The cops brought a shitload of Oswald's possessions from Irving and pretended they pulled them from N Beckley
- If he didn't live there, it follows that the story of how he got there was fabricated
- The cops put words in the mouth of Oswald
- Oswald had not changed clothes before going to the movies
------------------------------
The above is NOT supposition. The catch on OH Lee PROVES every single item above MUST be true.

It is a travesty that this case has lasted this long. It is a travesty that it is so difficult to get over the top of all of the bullshit in this case in order to be heard.

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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 4:28 pm

SPOT ON! Thanks Greg.

I too re-read the threads with amazement.
The group and its efforts are closer to the truth than any commissioned report.

As for the rooming house.
Herbert Lee's stuff was thrown onto the bed and a sheet used to dispose of Mr. Lee's belongings...all whisked away before anyone could pry, save for the mexican ashtray and banana peel.
Oswald was not a smoker or imo a banana buyer. And wouldn't need a hispanic tobacconists extinguisher.

Not a single picture of Oswald belongings in the rooming house,
no photo of a holster in the bureau or in a drawer, no pictures of drawers with clothes in them. Nothing to substantiate the claim Lee Oswald was living in room # 0.

Just the police station floor with stuff on the left = Beckley, stuff on the right = Irving. Or so they said.
DPD made a few mistakes on where things were supposedly found,
we nailed them on this too.

As Greg said the mathematics on the O H.Lee room was prize worthy.
Earth shattering how it makes sense when you add Herbert and subtract Earlene.

CHEERS!!
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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:09 am

Tippit was dead on arrival at the hospital at 1.15. Written up at 3.00pm 22/11/63.




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Nothing dodgy here:

Dallas police department transcripts sent to Washington Research Section for filtering, recording and transcription.
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Theres that pesky 1.00pm timing again.
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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:30 am

Hello, police operator?  
 1:16pmDispatcherGo ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.  
 CitizenThere's been a shooting out here.  
 DispatcherWhere's it at?  
 DispatcherThe citizen using the police radio . . .  
 CitizenTenth Street.  
 DispatcherWhat location on Tenth Street?  
 CitizenBetween Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.  
 DispatcherCan you hear me?  
  (Man and woman's voices in background)  
 Dispatcher78.  
 CitizenIt's in a police car, number 10.  
 Dispatcher78.  
 Dispatcher (?)78.  
 CitizenGot that?  
 CitizenHello, police operator. Did you get that?  
 DispatcherAttention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.  
 CitizenThank you.  
 35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)35.  
 259 (unknown)259.  
 DispatcherThe citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.  
 Dispatcher91.


 
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm



So the transcribed police radio dispatch communication by the Washington Research Section has Citizen calling in at 1.16pm.


Strange that seeing the Methodist Hospital notes Tippits body arrived DOA at 1.15pm.



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The following is an excerpt from a letter written to Joachim Joesten concerning a Shirley Martin interview with Hugh Aynesworth, Dallas Morning News reporter.










“… It has intrigued me that Aynesworth was so convinced in his conversation with me that Tippit had been killed around 1 p.m. Aynesworth is extraordinarily proud of the fact that he is the only reporter in the United States to have been at all four major scenes (the assassination, the Tippit killing immediately after, the arrest of Oswald in the Texas Theater, and the murder of Oswald in the police basement). 


When I praised Mr. Aynesworth for this and suggested that perhaps he should have been considered for the Pulitzer Prize (rather than Mr. [Merriman] Smith whom Mr. Aynesworth claims does not deserve the prize as another Dallas reporter did all his, Smith’s, writing for him), Mr. Aynesworth modestly admitted to an oversight on the part of the committee, but continued to speak at great length over his four unique experiences. 


When I asked Mr. Aynesworth how and when he first heard about Tippit, he replied: “I was standing near the Texas Book Building, all the other reporters had gone to Parkland (Hospital), but I felt a story was breaking near the building, when I heard a squad radio blast out that a policeman had been shot in Oak Cliff. This was around one o’clock. 


I ran to the car and went with it to Patton and Tenth. I had a hunch that the policeman’s murder was tied in with the assassination. I got to the Tenth Street area about 1:05, no later than 1:10 p.m. …” [1]


Years later, Aynesworth gave author Larry Sneed additional details. [2] He was at the police command post at the corner of Houston and Elm with Inspector Herbert Sawyer, Sgt. Calvin Owens, Sgt. Gerald Hill, Assistant District Attorney Bill Alexander, and news reporter Jim Ewell. As Gerald Hill urged Sawyer to get the crime lab over to the Texas School Book Depository, the police radio traffic was interrupted: “This is a citizen. A policeman’s been shot! He’s hurt pretty bad, I think!” The citizen then gave the location.


If Tippit was shot at precisely 1:00 p.m. and Aynesworth heard the unknown citizen’s call twoto three minutes later, then Craig’s time of 1:06 represents the time that it took for a messenger from the command post on the street to reach the search party on the sixth floor.


The unknown citizen’s call at 1:02 or 1:03 does not appear in the transcript of police radio messages. On the audio recording at precisely 1:02 there is 30 seconds of noise, indicating an erasure. About a minute later, at 1:03, the dispatcher attempted to reach Tippit and got no response.



After receiving the call, Hill, Alexander, and Owens promptly left for Oak Cliff. Aynesworth went with WFAA-TV newsmen Ron Reiland and Vic Robertson in the Channel 8 cruiser. 


Reiland drove the cruiser recklessly, making a lot of fast moves to pass other cars and barreling through intersections as fast as he could go, using an illegal flashing light accessory to warn other drivers. These details show how the three newsmen managed to reach the scene of the crime between 1:05 and 1:10.


Aynesworth statement to Martin agrees with that of T.F. Bowley who arrived at the scene at about the same time. He noted the time as 1:10 on his watch.
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Post by greg parker on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:33 am

Mick, google maps states the quickest route to Parkland from the Tippit site takes 13 minutes.

Let's say with sirens blaring, we can knock about 3 minutes off that making it an even 10.

So that means it left the Tippit scene at about 1:05. Then we have to take into account how long it took them to get to the scene and how long it took in loading him.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:36 am

Robertson was at the Adolphus hotel on a phone to John Allen of WFAA station at the time of the assassination according to the FBI report.


Allen suddennly tells Robertson whilst on the phone "he's been hit" and left the phone.


Robertson immediately started running from the building out into the street toward Houston, Kennedy had already been taken to Hospital.


While at that location he along with fellow photographer (WFAA) Hugh Aynseworth heard on a police radio that officer Tippit had been shot in Oakcliff and they proceeded to Oakcliff.


When they arrived Tippit's body had already been removed from the vicinity of the shooting so they proceeded to the Texas theater in Oakcliff where Lee Harvey Oswald was apprehended by dallas policemen.



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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:52 am

greg parker wrote:Mick, google maps states the quickest route to Parkland from the Tippit site takes 13 minutes.

Let's say with sirens blaring, we can knock about 3 minutes off that making it an even 10.

So that means it left the Tippit scene at about 1:05. Then we have to take into account how long it took them to get to the scene and how long it took in loading him.
It fits, Greg. Everything fits. I'm the first to admit its the fine work from others in the old thread mentioned here recently which has inspired this thread.

I've gone over and over the statements, Tippit appears to have been killed at around 1.00pm as near as I can see.

Your timeline is spot on for the Ambo trip to the hospital. Probably less time back then

Killed at or just before 1.00pm Ambo departs the murder scene at around 1.05pm even 1.10pm. 

The Ambulance was near by when the call of an officer down came through from memory.

Vic Robertson, Aynesworth, Reiland, Bowley, even Callaway and Guinyard support the timing. 

The transcription of the police dispatch radio comms is highly suspicious imo

Theres way too many statements and reports which support Tippits death and departure from the scenes as earlier than 1.16pm. It's solid.
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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:53 am

Aynesworth statement to Martin agrees with that of T.F. Bowley who arrived at the scene at about the same time. He noted the time as 1:10 on his watch.
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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:55 am

So Roger Craig may have been spot on with his recollection of the time the news reached those on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

1.06pm
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Post by greg parker on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:59 am

Mick Purdy wrote:So Roger Craig may have been spot on with his recollection of the time the news reached those on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

1.06pm
And the 1:06 becomes 1:16 -- except they forgot to check the time of death and get the timeline down so it made sense.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 12:13 pm

Yes Greg, and isn't it amazing to have the timeline agree with the many reports and statements which support the 1.00pm time of death.

As you say if The ambulance carrying Tippits Body arrives at the hospital at 1.15pm then working backwards it is cinched that the ambulance left the murder scene in Oakcliff at no later than 1.05 give or take.

That means Tippit had to have been shot prior to 1.05pm. If the ambulance took a few minutes to arrive after the first call.
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