Texas theatre bust.

First topic message reminder :

The Texas theatre is one of those pivotal moments we all remember about that Friday, when Oswald was arrested.

What really happended inside that darkened room? A simple bust or was there something much more sinister at hand.

And why was there a still photgrapher inside that building to capture the moment of the arrest? A tip off? By whom and why?



Gary Mack:




But there's another photograph that remains relevant and gripping five decades later, in a different way, and relatively few have seen it. The picture was taken by Dallas freelance photographer James "Jim" MacCammon barely 80 minutes after gunshots reverberated through Dealey Plaza. MacCammon photographed 24-year-old Oswald as he emerged from the Texas Theatre into the bright midday sun, sandwiched between Patrolman C.T. Walker and, still chewing his cigar, Detective Paul Bentley.











Although MacCammon contacted news agencies, including LIFE, his remarkable photo went unpublished until TIME ran it three months later in February 1964. Internal records show that Time Inc. shared that picture and others MacCammon made with the FBI. Eventually, in late 1964, three MacCammon photographs appeared in volume 20 of the Warren Commission's documentation.






MacCammon, who died in 2005, captured a moment that says so much about the soon-to-be-accused assassin and why so many still do not believe Oswald was the sole killer of President Kennedy and the killer of Dallas Police officer J.D. Tippit.
As reported at the time, when police led him out of the theater, Oswald shouted: I protest this police brutality and I am not resisting arrest!
Oh? Moments earlier, as cops approached him, Oswald suddenly punched Officer Nick McDonald in the face, drew a revolver from his waistband and tried to shoot him. McDonald jammed his hand on the gun and prevented it from firing as other officers pummeled Oswald to the floor, sat him in a seat and cuffed him. 






(MacCammon took a picture of that moment, too, but the image is too dark to reveal much.) [Ed's note: The TIME-LIFE Picture Collection discovered several duplicate negatives in our search for MacCammon's photographs. We've reproduced one of them below.]










http://time.com/3804560/an-end-to-conspiracy-rare-photo-of-lee-harvey-oswalds-arrest-suggests-why-hes-guilty/



Why was  Mac Cammon inside the theatre as Oswald was arrested?  Who tipped him off about the impending arrest? Or was he ther by chance? 
Could there be other photos in his collection which are yet to be seen?

This is where Markham was doing a job.
A flooring job.
Walnut Hill Hardware
listed in 1955 Life Magazine as #127 Walnut Hill Shopping Center...
and in 1960 Jefferson Yearbook as a sponsor
http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/Thomas_Jefferson_High_School_Document_Yearbook/1960/Page_340.html

But best of all!!
They were a sporting goods company.
They sold ammo most likely
The person contacted a W. Batts claimed no knowledge of any Mannlicher Carcano ammo.




Must have been weird to be running that that store and the Feds are looking at two possible connections to your business.

Great stuff, Ed.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

...fuck Mark Lane.

Thank you Lee.
What can you say, Mrs Oswald and Mark Lane, loyers and their clients,,,
Well... at least Lane wasn't too busy to talk with the real suspects.

Vinny she still wanted to catch her bus at 1:12, she was going to leave the scene when another witness told her she better stay. She didn't want to be late. She was that concerned about being on time for her job.
Or she did not want to talk to the cops about what and who she had witnessed gun down a officer.

Also she described a quick draw.
Where you work the hammer to fire rapidly is also a quick draw technique,
Which begs the question of the defective firing pin, the whole web of a hand caught the pistols hammer during the arreset in the theater.

The pistol brings this all back around to the altercation and planting the/a pistol on LHO.
Cops carried throw downs for this very purpose.
An unregistered often filed down and bored out pistol, totally untraceable yet easily tied into any crime they wanted due to the throw downs very existence, designed to get a cop out of a bad situation... or incriminate whomever they say shot that weapon. Oswald was framed for the Tippit murder and likely didnt know even what happened.

How much of the interrogation questioning was about Tippit shooting.

Why did James end up in a corrections facility graveyard.
No family took it upon themselves to pay for a public cemetary burial.
Was James a career burglar. Did he die in prison for burglary. Or did he get what he deserved.

Cheers, Ed

Dispatcher	78.
12:54pm	78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)	78.
	Dispatcher	You are in the Oak Cliff area, are you not?
	78	Lancaster and Eighth.
	Dispatcher	You will be at large for any emergency that comes in.
	78	10-4.

 
 
The JFK Assassination Dallas Police Tapes
[size=32]History in Real Time[/size]
Part Two
 
 
 
 

Citizen	Hello, police operator?
1:16pm	Dispatcher	Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.
	Citizen	There's been a shooting out here.
	Dispatcher	Where's it at?
	Dispatcher	The citizen using the police radio . . .
	Citizen	Tenth Street.
	Dispatcher	What location on Tenth Street?
	Citizen	Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.
	Dispatcher	Can you hear me?
		(Man and woman's voices in background)
	Dispatcher	78.
	Citizen	It's in a police car, number 10.
	Dispatcher	78.
	Dispatcher (?)	78.
	Citizen	Got that?
	Citizen	Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
	Dispatcher	Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
	Citizen	Thank you.
	35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)	35.
	259 (unknown)	259.
	Dispatcher	The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.
	Dispatcher	91.

 
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

Dispatcher to Tippit at 12.54pm

"you'll be at large for any emegency that comes in"

Tippit reports he is at Lancaster and Eighth.


Tippit was killed not more than 3 1/2 blocks away near 10th and Patton St. sometime after the last communication back to base at 12.54pm.







The hospital report notes Tippit was DOA at 1.15pm. 

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Cheers, Ed

Thank you Lee. 
What can you say, Mrs Oswald and Mark Lane, loyers and their clients,,, 
Well... at least Lane wasn't too busy to talk with the real suspects.

That would have been a feather in his cap... if he had realized James should be a suspect.


I only know of one person who suspected James prior to ROKC - Jim Olmstead, but as far as I remember, Jim never really got around to spelling out his reasons.

Quick review: Who was it again that worked out Oswald never lived at the N Beckley rooming house? Who was it that worked out the real time of Tippit's death? Who was it that found the proof that "OH Lee" was nothing more than a registry entry denoting a room number (0) and a first initial and surname (Herbert Lee)? Who was it who pegged Hill as the bad guy in Oak Cliff that day? 

You bunch of hooligans, that's who. And not even counting a bunch of stuff I'm no doubt forgetting, this brief summary has more substance and importance than all the books and chapters combined on the Tippit murder. Not one of 'em gets close to this stuff. The simplicity is only matched by the enormity of any single one of those items. That room number especially, still freaks me out as to how simple it is. One Room number + one Herbert Lee = one non-existent OH Lee. It deserves a friggin Nobel Prize in Mathematics.

Okay. rant over.

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Cheers, Ed

Good on ya Ed,

thanks mate

A 2001 google group post by Jim Olmstead:

 dcwillis: One of the two sons lived out of state......I forget which
one.....the other son was deeply involved in stolen cars.....I believe he
is the younger of the two....James?  There is some information around
dealing with the DPD arresting this son, and he almost broke his neck
trying to escape.  Two of the Tippit wittnesses, that live at the end of
the street were conncected to this son and one I believe was on probation
at the time of the Tippit killing.
I will have to get into my files, I beleive that I posted on this last
year.
just  remembered this might help

Mr. BALL. Did you go down to where the policeman was shot?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes.
          Mr. BALL. What did you see?
          Mr. SMITH. Saw the policeman lying on the ground. I mean on the
street.
          Mr. BALL. And did a crowd gather around there?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
          Mr. BALL. How long did you stay there?
          Mr. SMITH. About 45 minutes.
          Mr. BALL. Did you give your name to the police?
          Mr. SMITH. No, sir.
          Mr. BALL. Why?
          Mr. SMITH. Because I was on probation. I thought it might hurt
my probation record.
          Mr. BALL. All right; you did tell someone you had seen it,
didn't you?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes.
          Mr. BALL. Who?
          Mr. SMITH. This boy I ran around with.
          Mr. BALL. What's his name?
          Mr. SMITH. James Markham.
          Mr. BALL. Is he the son of Helen Markham?
          Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir.
jko

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Cheers, Ed

What a great thread.  Brought back some memories.  What it felt like to genuinely work through things as a team - going through logically, precisely and with a completely open mind.  There were a couple of blips when Turnip Head Gilbride wiped his arse on proceedings but it's interesting looking at how virtually everyone else was interested in bringing up new items, new ideas and new evidence - whereas the Paint Sniffer thought he knew it all already.

But - there's always one.

I do miss it all sometimes.

The Prodigal Son wrote:

Ed. Ledoux wrote:Page 4

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Cheers, Ed

What a great thread.  Brought back some memories.  What it felt like to genuinely work through things as a team - going through logically, precisely and with a completely open mind.  There were a couple of blips when Turnip Head Gilbride wiped his arse on proceedings but it's interesting looking at how virtually everyone else was interested in bringing up new items, new ideas and new evidence - whereas the Paint Sniffer thought he knew it all already.

But - there's always one.

I do miss it all sometimes.

It was exceptional work, and one of a number of such examples right here in this forum.  I re-read such threads maybe with a little nostalgia, but more so with a mixed sense of pride and despair that it's cutting edge -- clinically ripping this case apart - yet still confined to our little group and the relative few lurkers who may stumbled on it.

Again using the OH Lee BS as an example - look at what that alone means to this case - 

- There was no OH Lee 
- Oswald never lived at that address
- The authorities encouraged the stories of Earlene Roberts where it suited them and disparaged them when it not (police car honks)
- The cops brought a shitload of Oswald's possessions from Irving and pretended they pulled them from N Beckley
- If he didn't live there, it follows that the story of how he got there was fabricated
- The cops put words in the mouth of Oswald
- Oswald had not changed clothes before going to the movies
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The above is NOT supposition. The catch on OH Lee PROVES every single item above MUST be true.

It is a travesty that this case has lasted this long. It is a travesty that it is so difficult to get over the top of all of the bullshit in this case in order to be heard.

SPOT ON! Thanks Greg.

I too re-read the threads with amazement.
The group and its efforts are closer to the truth than any commissioned report.

As for the rooming house.
Herbert Lee's stuff was thrown onto the bed and a sheet used to dispose of Mr. Lee's belongings...all whisked away before anyone could pry, save for the mexican ashtray and banana peel.
Oswald was not a smoker or imo a banana buyer. And wouldn't need a hispanic tobacconists extinguisher.

Not a single picture of Oswald belongings in the rooming house,
no photo of a holster in the bureau or in a drawer, no pictures of drawers with clothes in them. Nothing to substantiate the claim Lee Oswald was living in room # 0.

Just the police station floor with stuff on the left = Beckley, stuff on the right = Irving. Or so they said.
DPD made a few mistakes on where things were supposedly found,
we nailed them on this too.

As Greg said the mathematics on the O H.Lee room was prize worthy.
Earth shattering how it makes sense when you add Herbert and subtract Earlene.

CHEERS!!
Ed

Tippit was dead on arrival at the hospital at 1.15. Written up at 3.00pm 22/11/63.

Nothing dodgy here:

Dallas police department transcripts sent to Washington Research Section for filtering, recording and transcription.

Theres that pesky 1.00pm timing again.

Mick, google maps states the quickest route to Parkland from the Tippit site takes 13 minutes.

Let's say with sirens blaring, we can knock about 3 minutes off that making it an even 10.

So that means it left the Tippit scene at about 1:05. Then we have to take into account how long it took them to get to the scene and how long it took in loading him.

Robertson was at the Adolphus hotel on a phone to John Allen of WFAA station at the time of the assassination according to the FBI report.


Allen suddennly tells Robertson whilst on the phone "he's been hit" and left the phone.


Robertson immediately started running from the building out into the street toward Houston, Kennedy had already been taken to Hospital.


While at that location he along with fellow photographer (WFAA) Hugh Aynseworth heard on a police radio that officer Tippit had been shot in Oakcliff and they proceeded to Oakcliff.


When they arrived Tippit's body had already been removed from the vicinity of the shooting so they proceeded to the Texas theater in Oakcliff where Lee Harvey Oswald was apprehended by dallas policemen.



https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/pdf/WH21_RobertsonV_Ex_1.pdf


ducks are lining up!

greg parker wrote:Mick, google maps states the quickest route to Parkland from the Tippit site takes 13 minutes.

Let's say with sirens blaring, we can knock about 3 minutes off that making it an even 10.

So that means it left the Tippit scene at about 1:05. Then we have to take into account how long it took them to get to the scene and how long it took in loading him.

It fits, Greg. Everything fits. I'm the first to admit its the fine work from others in the old thread mentioned here recently which has inspired this thread.

I've gone over and over the statements, Tippit appears to have been killed at around 1.00pm as near as I can see.

Your timeline is spot on for the Ambo trip to the hospital. Probably less time back then

Killed at or just before 1.00pm Ambo departs the murder scene at around 1.05pm even 1.10pm. 

The Ambulance was near by when the call of an officer down came through from memory.

Vic Robertson, Aynesworth, Reiland, Bowley, even Callaway and Guinyard support the timing. 

The transcription of the police dispatch radio comms is highly suspicious imo

Theres way too many statements and reports which support Tippits death and departure from the scenes as earlier than 1.16pm. It's solid.

So Roger Craig may have been spot on with his recollection of the time the news reached those on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

1.06pm

Mick Purdy wrote:So Roger Craig may have been spot on with his recollection of the time the news reached those on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

1.06pm

And the 1:06 becomes 1:16 -- except they forgot to check the time of death and get the timeline down so it made sense.

Yes Greg, and isn't it amazing to have the timeline agree with the many reports and statements which support the 1.00pm time of death.

As you say if The ambulance carrying Tippits Body arrives at the hospital at 1.15pm then working backwards it is cinched that the ambulance left the murder scene in Oakcliff at no later than 1.05 give or take.

That means Tippit had to have been shot prior to 1.05pm. If the ambulance took a few minutes to arrive after the first call.