Another axe falls on the H & L Cult

This comes courtesy of a lurker...

lurker wrote:During the midnight presser, Oswald is heard to say "...when the reporters in the hall AXED me that question..."


"Axed" is how blacks and poor whites from New Orleans...say "asked." 

It's a regional thing. From:https://yatlagniappe.com/2015/10/24/yatspeak-the-history-of-ax-instead-of-ask/

New Orleans, not originally an anglophone city, was linguistically isolated from the rest of the country.  It had close semantic ties with many Caribbean cities and a heavy African-American presence. It’s no surprise why many black and white New Orleanians continue to say “axe” over “ask”.  It’s not wrong; it’s just archaic.

So how does a Hungarian refugee pick that. "Harvey supposedly lived in NO for about 2 years. Is that long enough to pick up the "axe" habit for the rest of your life? 


"Harvey also supposedly lived in North Dakota. They speak in an upper midwestern dialect, yet Oswald showed no traces of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-Central_American_English


Now we have a Hungarian refugee who looks nothing like his putative father and uncle  (see https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t87-the-mrs-jack-d-tippit-phone-call ), who wore Texas clothing in New York (see Bronx Zoo photo) and who used very distinctive New Orleans dialect.

sandy larsen wrote:I wonder if Greg accepts that Oswald was a CIA agent and fake defector. (There is a ton of evidence pointing to this conclusion, and one smoking gun that I can think of.)

Oswald's cover story was that of being a poor southern young man. I would think that he'd try to take on the accent, vocabulary, and mannerisms of his cover character.

BTW, New Orleans is not the only place poor people use or have used the "ax" pronunciation of "ask." I used to live in the San Francisco Bay area and I heard a lot of people use that pronunciation.

1. No, Oswald was never a CIA agent. You need a deeper understanding of terminology.


2. The "fake defector" angle is not so cut and dry. Lots of complexity regarding his stay.

3. Excuse re accent exactly as predicted.

4. And New Orleans is not the only place your "Harvey" allegedly ever lived - but no sign of a North Dakotan accent. That part of the story not important?

David Josephs wrote:The southern boy who came to NY had a southern accent...

The boy who returned from NY in 1954 no longer had the accent and never redeveloped it during the remaining years of his life in the south.

Those who know a thing or two say English was this man's 2nd language...

FWIW.

  

So it must have been Lee photographed at the Bronx Zoo looking perfectly comfortable in those jeans and cut down shirt. 

So it must have been Lee under arrest using the accent of the place in which he was borm and partially raised.

Sandy Larsen wrote:I quit following the links to Greg's site some time ago because I rarly found anything of substance or importance. (To his credit, he did have a few good points regarding the ship that sailed to Taiwan.) But this was the only thing posted today so I decided to check the link out.

Someone ("lurker") posted this on Greg's site:

Most gracious of you Sandy!

So you must believe then that Louis Weinstock  who was named as Lee's father or uncle in the Tippit call bears an uncanny resemblances to our boy.


 
Sorry. But I don't see it myself. Maybe if DJ used his magical powers with photoshop it might help.

You must also believe the H & L Brains Trust regarding Ely's bio of Oswald. The fact is that Ely's bio  stopped at the point where Oswald joined the Marines and later, a memo was produced stating that the evidence showed that bio needs some tweaking The Brains Trust states that the memo about tweaking, should apply to EVERYTHING Ely did. It doesn't - it only applied to the bio ending in 1956.

I mean, why do Jim and David try and fool people into believing that this memo asking for PRE USMC changes can also apply to an interview Ely did with a fellow Marine of Oswald's? 
https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1587-back-to-the-future-with-the-ely-memo

Maybe you also believe the bullshit about the number of teeth in the exhumed body also "proving" it was not Lee? Did you read this https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1572-it-has-finally-come-down-to-counting-teeth

Bespecific. Which on this list of debunkings do you disagree with and why?  (Please leave aside the Beauregard/PS44 crap for the sake of sanity)

https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1588-harvey-lee-links-to-alternative-explanations

Whatever Larsen or anyone believes about the LHO exhumation, Dr's Norton and DeMaio both mentioned cutting tendons/muscle to separate the head from the torso. I think that is an important point and if there is ANY evidence of (their) lying about what they did as professionals, it should be shown and proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

BC_II wrote:Whatever Larsen or anyone believes about the LHO exhumation, Dr's Norton and DeMaio both mentioned cutting tendons/muscle to separate the head from the torso. I think that is an important point and if there is ANY evidence of (their) lying about what they did as professionals, it should be shown and proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Exactly. But they don't need evidence.

The mantra that bad guys do bad things is all the "evidence" they require to sustain their whacky beliefs.

sandy larsen wrote:I do believe that Oswald was a CIA agent. You know... a spy.

Why do I need a "deeper understanding of terminology?" Do you prefer I say "CIA field operative?" Something else?

Something else.

A spy by definition is involved in espionage. 

wiki wrote:Espionage (colloquially, spying) is the obtaining of secret or confidential information without the permission of the holder of the information. Spies help agencies uncover secret information.[1] Any individual or spy ring (a cooperating group of spies), in the service of a government, company or independent operation, can commit espionage. The practice is clandestine, as it is by definition unwelcome and in many cases illegal and punishable by law. Espionage is a subset of "intelligence" gathering, which includes espionage as well as information gathering from public sources.

What secret information did Oswald obtain?

Was he charged with espionage in the Soviet Union?

Was he charged with espionage in the US?

Oswald was no spy and the idea that he was is risible despite being widespread.

greg parker wrote:

BC_II wrote:Whatever Larsen or anyone believes about the LHO exhumation, Dr's Norton and DeMaio both mentioned cutting tendons/muscle to separate the head from the torso. I think that is an important point and if there is ANY evidence of (their) lying about what they did as professionals, it should be shown and proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Exactly. But they don't need evidence.

The mantra that bad guys do bad things is all the "evidence" they require to sustain their whacky beliefs.

So unfortunate....you would think that, at this stage we are far more (or should be more) concerned about evidence and following leads...