Time to Kill another Myth: There was no second Oswald arrested at the theater

Mon 26 Aug 2019, 8:43 am

Over at the Uneducated Forum, a Mr Ron Bulman started a thread titled Two Oswalds In the Texas Theater.

After pages and pages of interminable bullshit, Steve Thomas posted this

Time to Kill another Myth: There was no second Oswald arrested at the theater Image.png.d6566d426c474a16f8e1fe40518b6685

Time to Kill another Myth: There was no second Oswald arrested at the theater Image.png.d6566d426c474a16f8e1fe40518b6685

It is not hard to solve from there. The witness taken out the back and taken in for a statement (not under arrest, as some idiots claim), was George Applin. The above document says the witness heard the pistol click (actually a chair click)

Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about the only thing I heard was the snap of the gun and the officer saying, "Here he is."
Mr. BALL - You heard the snap of a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.

The document goes on to say that the three officers stayed and took contact details of all the patrons. Again confirmed by Applin.

Mr. BALL - And did you go out and follow them out?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; I went out to the candy counter out there and the officer said, if there's anybody in there that seen it--and asked--there was about two or three, the candyman himself, and said--that one boy said that he seen him, through the front--I mean out from behind the picture where it came out---supposed to came out behind the picture.
Mr. BALL - Did you give them your name there?
Mr. APPLIN - He asked my name and address and where I was staying at the time.

Lastly, the document says that this witness was taken by the three into City Hall.

Mr. BALL - Later did you go down to the police station and make a statement?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - When?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, it was after--I guess after they got everybody's name. I rode down with three officers.
Mr. BALL - That same day, did you?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - You didn't go back to the picture show?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did. There was a patrolman that carried me back out and I was going to see the rest of it, but I never did get back in time to.
Mr. BALL - You didn't get to see the show?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I seen part of it, but I didn't get to see all of it.

But we know the Hargroves of this world are impervious to facts, so we should expect to still be reading in another 50 years how a second Oswald was taken out the back and arrested.

Mon 26 Aug 2019, 11:37 am

Oh, it get's deeper Greg.

The forthcoming comment is by Brian Doyle, and in it Oswald, both of them, somehow worked their way all the way from the TSBD back to the Texas Theatre.

Some of these people even claim that is was LEE who retrieved HARVEY'S jacket from HARVEY'S rooming house and not HARVEY. They claim it was possible because he hurried past the landlady and she was too pre occupied with a TV on the fritz.

A very primitive theory built on nothing but quicksand is posited by Brian Doyle of the Armstrong-Hargrove-Larsen-Josephs University of Higher Learning.

Say what Brian?

Prayer Woman Thread at Mc-Ray's:

Doyle: "The reason Oswald was allowed to eat there in the 2nd Floor lunchroom is because he wasn't a regular laborer...He was an Intel spook that Truly was well aware of and that is why he separated himself from the other workers...It is highly likely that either Oswald or Bookhout and Hosty lied about Oswald eating in the Domino Room exactly because they were aware Oswald's being allowed to eat in the 2nd floor lunch room exposed his true status as a known spy in the Depository. The fact that regular workers weren't allowed to eat in the 2nd floor lunch room but Oswald was, tells you something important"

Mon 26 Aug 2019, 12:07 pm

Oh FFS, really. When are these twats going to disappear? Two people arrested at the theatre, what next? I suppose they'll be claiming there were two Oswald's........Oh wait-

Boring and tiresome!

Mon 26 Aug 2019, 12:12 pm

Jeff Stanton wrote:Oh, it get's deeper Greg.

The forthcoming comment is by Brian Doyle, and in it Oswald, both of them, somehow worked their way all the way from the TSBD back to the Texas Theatre.

Some of these people even claim that is was LEE who retrieved HARVEY'S jacket from HARVEY'S rooming house and not HARVEY. They claim it was possible because he hurried past the landlady and she was too pre occupied with a TV on the fritz.

Well, naturally if there was a HARVEY at that address because he lived there, the laws of the UNIVERSE dictate that there had to be an equal but opposite LEE also living there.

A very primitive theory built on nothing but quicksand is posited by Brian Doyle of the Armstrong-Hargrove-Larsen-Josephs University of Higher Learning.

Say what Brian?

Prayer Woman Thread at Mc-Ray's:

Doyle: "The reason Oswald was allowed to eat there in the 2nd Floor lunchroom is because he wasn't a regular laborer...He was an Intel spook that Truly was well aware of and that is why he separated himself from the other workers...It is highly likely that either Oswald or Bookhout and Hosty lied about Oswald eating in the Domino Room exactly because they were aware Oswald's being allowed to eat in the 2nd floor lunch room exposed his true status as a known spy in the Depository. The fact that regular workers weren't allowed to eat in the 2nd floor lunch room but Oswald was, tells you something important"

Well naturally if you're going to infiltrate a book warehouse as a manual laborer, you need to stay in character so the first thing you need to do is have lunch every day with all the execs upstairs.

See, this is the sort of cutting edge thinking from Inspector Doyle that eludes we mere mortals. It's the old double-bluff gambit!

If he is having lunch with the execs, he can't be a real laborer. Has to be an agent. But then, if he was an agent, he knows we can figure that out, so he can't be an agent. Or at least that is what the cunning bastard wanted us to think!

But you can't get away with shit like that on Doyle's watch. Just sayin'.

Mon 26 Aug 2019, 2:35 pm

Greg,

That self published Harvey and Lee book belongs right down there in the bottom of the scow with The Torbitt Document, The Gemstone File and that paper napkin writing book by that asshat Roderick McKenzie.

Case in point, just yesterday in the Fair Play for Doyle thread I posted a link to a website to where they claim a young girl shot because JFK raped her the night before or some such. I couldn't finish it, it was that bad.

Something like Doyle would write.

This is but one example of the kind of trash that's out there that the uninitiated people will buy into and believe.

Harvey and Lee is a classic example.

But I guess those types of trashy, undocumented, nonsensical charlatan mysteries sell more copy, so the hell with the facts, they got books to sell.

Speaking of selling, half the battle is, as you well know, as does Di Eugenio, is getting it to the major networks. Uphill battle all the way.

They're blatantly open about being repugnant to the prospect of it even.

I wish the *free press* would do it's fucking job already and assist the fact seekers out in that regard.

Oliver Stone did humanity a great justice when he put his JFK movie out.

Oh sure people can nitpick about little indiscretions here and there, but it was a "movie" first and foremost, so it had to be entertaining.

But further, he did humanity a favor because he brought it to such a huge and captive worldwide audience!

Millions upon millions upon millions in one fell swoop.

Just for that reason alone, Oliver Stone is a national hero in my view.

Unbelievable.

I don't want to disturb the thread here, but Corey Santos makes some excellent, salient points in his rebuttals in this thread below, I am posting it here so as to possibly kick start this thread and to use only as a thought provoking reference.

Two Oswald's in the Texas Theater

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25901-two-oswalds-in-the-texas-theater/

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 2:19 pm

13 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Greg Parker makes a strong case that the person escorted by police officers from the rear of the Texas Theater was George Jefferson Applin, Jr:

Jim Hargrove wrote:Everyone has a theory, but Applin never said he was taken out the back of the theater. In fact, he testified that he “went out to the candy counter” after the main floor arrest and heard questions from a policeman, and provided him answers when asked for “my name and address and and where I was staying at the time.” He added that he only went down to the station "later" after “they got everybody’s name.” It doesn’t sound like that happened right away, and I see no reason to believe he would have exited from the alley door when he was right by the lobby.
Where, by the way, are those names the police wrote down? When Mr. Parker is finished with his usual insults of this forum and me, perhaps he’d like to let us know about his theory on that. Why did they have to disappear?

Poor Jim.

1. Unfortunately Jim, you were not mentioned at all by me in this thread, so you can cut out the crocodile tears.
2. Jim, you are lying through your teeth when you say that Applin testified that he went down to City Hall "later". It was Ball who asked " Later did you go down to the police station and make a statement? Applin replied it was after he gave his contact details. We know it was straight away because they tried to get him back to theatre in time to catch the end of the show but missed it. If if it was way later of course, there would be no point in rushing him back.

Although already posted, I will repost it to remind you:

Mr. BALL - You didn't go back to the picture show?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did. There was a patrolman that carried me back out and I was going to see the rest of it, but I never did get back in time to.
Mr. BALL - You didn't get to see the show?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I seen part of it, but I didn't get to see all of it. .

4. So what if he went to the candy counter? The cops who took him were parked out the back, not the front.
5. Nice to see you still rely on dragging red herrings across your screen when cornered. The list of names has nothing to do with Applin being the person taken out the back and taken to City Hall for a statement. If you would like to start a separate thread on that and offer your opinion on what happened t the list, I'll gladly tear that fantasy down as well.

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 2:31 pm

greg parker wrote:

13 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Greg Parker makes a strong case that the person escorted by police officers from the rear of the Texas Theater was George Jefferson Applin, Jr:

Jim Hargrove wrote:Everyone has a theory, but Applin never said he was taken out the back of the theater. In fact, he testified that he “went out to the candy counter” after the main floor arrest and heard questions from a policeman, and provided him answers when asked for “my name and address and and where I was staying at the time.” He added that he only went down to the station "later" after “they got everybody’s name.” It doesn’t sound like that happened right away, and I see no reason to believe he would have exited from the alley door when he was right by the lobby.
Where, by the way, are those names the police wrote down? When Mr. Parker is finished with his usual insults of this forum and me, perhaps he’d like to let us know about his theory on that. Why did they have to disappear?

Poor Jim.

1. Unfortunately Jim, you were not mentioned at all by me in this thread, so you can cut out the crocodile tears.
2. Jim, you are lying through your teeth when you say that Applin testified that he went down to City Hall "later". It was Ball who asked " Later did you go down to the police station and make a statement? Applin replied it was after he gave his contact details. We know it was straight away because they tried to get him back to theatre in time to catch the end of the show but missed it. If if it was way later of course, there would be no point in rushing him back.

Although already posted, I will repost it to remind you:

Mr. BALL - You didn't go back to the picture show?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did. There was a patrolman that carried me back out and I was going to see the rest of it, but I never did get back in time to.
Mr. BALL - You didn't get to see the show?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I seen part of it, but I didn't get to see all of it. .

4. So what if he went to the candy counter? The cops who took him were parked out the back, not the front.
5. Nice to see you still rely on dragging red herrings across your screen when cornered. The list of names has nothing to do with Applin being the person taken out the back and taken to City Hall for a statement. If you would like to start a separate thread on that and offer your opinion on what happened t the list, I'll gladly tear that fantasy down as well.

THIS!....lol lol!

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 3:40 pm

Posted 1 hour ago

Two Oswald's in the Texas Theater

Ron Bulman:

"There's a lot of good information, that should be pursued, on a few others here, e.g. Beckham and Brewer. But reviewing the thread I thought of the topic, Two Oswald's in the Texas Theater and wondered about what I'd learned. Please correct me but I think the following can now be said.

1. Between 1:00 and 1:07 concessionaire Butch Burroughs is convinced someone came in the theater front doors but not on through the doors into his concession area behind the floor/orchestra seats. He was never fully questioned about how he concluded such, (heard them shut?) but he seemed convinced of this, repeating it over time. If he is correct such person would have to go up the stairs he also couldn't see to the balcony. No other choice.

2. During opening credits for the movie, after the advertisements for coming attractions and popcorn, customer Jack Davis has a stranger sit down beside him in the 900 seat theater with about 20 people in it. After a minute the stranger gets up and goes and sits by another of the few patrons. Then another. Then he gets up and goes out to the concession area behind them.

3. Butch Burroughs sells popcorn to a man at 1:15 he later sees arrested and taken out the front door of the theater. He later learns this man is named Oswald. The Warren Omission claims Tippit was shot at 1:15 (it was earlier, closer to 1:05).

4. Burroughs sees the man go back into the floor seats and sit by a pregnant woman. The woman gets up and heads toward the bathrooms.

5. Davis is "fairly certain(?)" he sees the man who sat by him earlier and went to the concession area come back in down the opposite aisle from the one close to him and sit down by another of the few customers.

6. Around 1:35 three doors down from the Texas Theater shoe store manager Johnny Brewer sees someone suspicious at the front of his store. He follows him to the Texas Theater, but doesn't see him go in, yet tells ticket seller Julia Postal in the booth separate from but in front of the frond doors to call the police.

7. Per author Leo Sauvage to author John Armstrong the Dallas Police Department receives up to a half dozen anonymous calls advising of a suspicious man entering the Texas Theater. But the dispatch tapes for this period disappear.

8. DPD dispatch does say at 1:46 a suspect is hiding in the balcony of the Texas Theater.

9. Live (on tape) from the scene of the Tippit murder reporter Reiland says police were taking off because of a report of a man with a shotgun going into a local theater.

10. Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson wrote "I started up the stairs to the balcony because that' where the call said he was hiding."

11. Lt. Cunningham said the lady cashier said there's a young man upstairs, he just went up there.

12. Officer Paul Bentley's report says he as told by detective Toney the suspect is in the balcony.

13. Oswald is arrested on the first floor, taken out the front door. Witnessed by Burroughs, Davis and others.

14. 3-4 minutes after this Burroughs sees a man who looked like he could have been Oswald's brother taken out the back door.

15. Hobby shop (next to the shoe store managed by Brewer) owner Bernard Haire sees police bring a man out the back door of the Texas Theater, put him in a police car and drive him off.

16. Tippit's autopsy report states the suspect was later arrested in the balcony of the Texas Theater.

17. DPD officer Stringfellow, the day After the assassination and arrest, stated in writing and signed to his superior, Oswald was arrested in the balcony."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25901-two-oswalds-in-the-texas-theater/?do=findComment&comment=405579

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 3:56 pm

Brewer and Postal background here.

Looking at Postal's background in particular, it's not hard to see how easy it would have been to lean on her to say what you wanted her to say.

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 4:04 pm

Jeff Stanton wrote:

greg parker wrote:

13 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Greg Parker makes a strong case that the person escorted by police officers from the rear of the Texas Theater was George Jefferson Applin, Jr:

Jim Hargrove wrote:Everyone has a theory, but Applin never said he was taken out the back of the theater. In fact, he testified that he “went out to the candy counter” after the main floor arrest and heard questions from a policeman, and provided him answers when asked for “my name and address and and where I was staying at the time.” He added that he only went down to the station "later" after “they got everybody’s name.” It doesn’t sound like that happened right away, and I see no reason to believe he would have exited from the alley door when he was right by the lobby.
Where, by the way, are those names the police wrote down? When Mr. Parker is finished with his usual insults of this forum and me, perhaps he’d like to let us know about his theory on that. Why did they have to disappear?

Poor Jim.

1. Unfortunately Jim, you were not mentioned at all by me in this thread, so you can cut out the crocodile tears.
2. Jim, you are lying through your teeth when you say that Applin testified that he went down to City Hall "later". It was Ball who asked " Later did you go down to the police station and make a statement? Applin replied it was after he gave his contact details. We know it was straight away because they tried to get him back to theatre in time to catch the end of the show but missed it. If if it was way later of course, there would be no point in rushing him back.

Although already posted, I will repost it to remind you:

Mr. BALL - You didn't go back to the picture show?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did. There was a patrolman that carried me back out and I was going to see the rest of it, but I never did get back in time to.
Mr. BALL - You didn't get to see the show?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I seen part of it, but I didn't get to see all of it. .

4. So what if he went to the candy counter? The cops who took him were parked out the back, not the front.
5. Nice to see you still rely on dragging red herrings across your screen when cornered. The list of names has nothing to do with Applin being the person taken out the back and taken to City Hall for a statement. If you would like to start a separate thread on that and offer your opinion on what happened t the list, I'll gladly tear that fantasy down as well.

THIS!....lol

Jim is a laugh riot. He thinks Applin should have known that decades after the event, some ass-clown would suggest their were two Oswald's in the theatre with one arrested out the front and one arrested out the back - apparently Applin should have known to stop this tin-foil hat speculation by telling the WC he and the cops left from the rear.

But I get the sneaking suspicion that Applin, dropping that in to his testimony for no apparent reason, would quickly be accused of being coached.

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 4:20 pm

Jeremy got away with murder btw, linking to one of my posts here.

Last time someone did that, Ming quickly jumped in and deleted it giving the reason that he did not want the link to cause a discussion about me. The fucking hide! Everyone knows it's all about me me me me. Ask me. You'll get a chance on my upcoming IT'S ALL ABOUT ME! tour with supporting acts Judyth Vary Baker and her performing monkeys (fresh from an all-conquering tour of Serbia), Brian Doyle and his All-Star Pink Sandelles Band and Ralph Cinque as-you've-never-seen-him-before-and-never-want-to-again performing the hit single from My Stretch... "Would You Like a Rohypnol with that?"

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 5:41 pm

greg parker wrote:See, this is the sort of cutting edge thinking from Inspector Doyle that eludes we mere mortals. It's the old double-bluff gambit!

Time to Kill another Myth: There was no second Oswald arrested at the theater InspectorDoyle

Wed 28 Aug 2019, 11:09 pm

Stan Dane wrote:

greg parker wrote:See, this is the sort of cutting edge thinking from Inspector Doyle that eludes we mere mortals. It's the old double-bluff gambit!

Hehe, Inspector Gidget?

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 3:48 am

"Ah! It is just as i suspected!! The pervert who rifled thru grandma's knicker drawer has left behind a clue!! I, Bri Bri the Magnificent ,the world's most skilled detective will now use all my deductive powers. Let me get out my new Acme No Steam Magnifying glass first....ah yes just as i suspected... the culprit was around 50..with sweaty palms... atrocious personal hygiene...enjoyed going for naked bike rides...regularly fondles small mammals..eats his own toenail clippings..compulsive masturbator..where's my assistant? Hey Larry i need my special smellovision see through spectacles..Larry! Larry! Have you not finished frisking the paperboy you found 9 miles away from the crime scene yet?"
" For clarification Bri Bri the Magnificent i was busy wiping up after you...don't you remember last night? ...instead of your Thorazine pills you accidentally downed the rohypnol you were saving for the Sanibel U-13s Little League Play offs...You went on another rampage..for clarification i don't think you'll ever be able t show your face inside the Sanibel Island Amateur Ballet Society again...i don't think what you did last night was in " The Nutcracker"..and i can't remember " Naked man with bloodshot eyes and butcher's cleaver" ever being in "Swan Lake" before..you do know they weren't real swans?..by the way the surgeon could only find one of your gloves..poor Mrs Goldberg won't be able t sit down properly for at least a month..oh! so you found the other one yourself? Where was it this time?"

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 4:23 am

Killer Image! Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Stan Dane wrote:

greg parker wrote:See, this is the sort of cutting edge thinking from Inspector Doyle that eludes we mere mortals. It's the old double-bluff gambit!

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 4:24 am

alex wilson wrote:"Ah! It is just as i suspected!! The pervert who rifled thru grandma's knicker drawer has left behind a clue!! I, Bri Bri the Magnificent ,the world's most skilled detective will now use all my deductive powers. Let me get out my new Acme No Steam Magnifying glass first....ah yes just as i suspected... the culprit was around 50..with sweaty palms... atrocious personal hygiene...enjoyed going for naked bike rides...regularly fondles small mammals..eats his own toenail clippings..compulsive masturbator..where's my assistant? Hey Larry i need my special smellovision see through spectacles..Larry! Larry! Have you not finished frisking the paperboy you found 9 miles away from the crime scene yet?"
" For clarification Bri Bri the Magnificent i was busy wiping up after you...don't you remember last night? ...instead of your Thorazine pills you accidentally downed the rohypnol you were saving for the Sanibel U-13s Little League Play offs...You went on another rampage..for clarification i don't think you'll ever be able t show your face inside the Sanibel Island Amateur Ballet Society again...i don't think what you did last night was in " The Nutcracker"..and i can't remember " Naked man with bloodshot eyes and butcher's cleaver" ever being in "Swan Lake" before..you do know they weren't real swans?..by the way the surgeon could only find one of your gloves..poor Mrs Goldberg won't be able t sit down properly for at least a month..oh! so you found the other one yourself? Where was it this time?"

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 4:26 am

alex wilson wrote:"Ah! It is just as i suspected!! The pervert who rifled thru grandma's knicker drawer has left behind a clue!! I, Bri Bri the Magnificent ,the world's most skilled detective will now use all my deductive powers. Let me get out my new Acme No Steam Magnifying glass first....ah yes just as i suspected... the culprit was around 50..with sweaty palms... atrocious personal hygiene...enjoyed going for naked bike rides...regularly fondles small mammals..eats his own toenail clippings..compulsive masturbator..where's my assistant? Hey Larry i need my special smellovision see through spectacles..Larry! Larry! Have you not finished frisking the paperboy you found 9 miles away from the crime scene yet?"
" For clarification Bri Bri the Magnificent i was busy wiping up after you...don't you remember last night? ...instead of your Thorazine pills you accidentally downed the rohypnol you were saving for the Sanibel U-13s Little League Play offs...You went on another rampage..for clarification i don't think you'll ever be able t show your face inside the Sanibel Island Amateur Ballet Society again...i don't think what you did last night was in " The Nutcracker"..and i can't remember " Naked man with bloodshot eyes and butcher's cleaver" ever being in "Swan Lake" before..you do know they weren't real swans?..by the way the surgeon could only find one of your gloves..poor Mrs Goldberg won't be able t sit down properly for at least a month..oh! so you found the other one yourself? Where was it this time?"

Third time I have read this I cherish it so and still LMFAO! Classic Alex! Love your posts Alex! bounce

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 9:38 am

jim hargrove wrote:Even the earliest researchers realized that in the six weeks or so prior to the assassination, a fellow who looked like Oswald and often claimed to be “Oswald” was busy setting him up in Dallas and environs. Sylvia Meagher described these actions in Accessories After the Fact in a section called “Two Oswalds.”
Here’s just a partial list. Bear in mind that Classic Oswald:registered: was demonstrably somewhere else during most of these encounters:
“Oswald” visits the Sports Drome Rifle Range on Oct. 26, Nov. 9, Nov. 10, and again on Nov. 17, several times creating a scene and once shooting at another guy's target;
On Nov. 2 “Oswald” visits Morgan's Gun Shop in Fort Worth.
Also on Nov. 2 “Oswald” visits the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership where he test drives a car at wrecklessly high speeds saying he would soon come into enough money to buy a new car.
On Nov. 6 or 7 “Oswald” visits the Irving Furniture Mart for a gun part and is referred to the shop where Dial Ryder works.
On Nov. 15, “Oswald” goes to the Southland Hotel parking garage (Allright Parking Systems) and applies for a job and asks how high the Southland Building is and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.
On Nov. 20 “Oswald” hitch-hikes on the R.L. Thornton Expressway while carrying a 4 foot long package wrapped in brown paper and introduces himself to Ralph Yates as “Lee Harvey Oswald,” discusses the President's visit, and asks to be dropped across the street from the Texas School Book Depository (where Russian-speaking “Lee Harvey Oswald” is already working).
Despite the fact that several H&L critics have been mocking John A. and me for years and calling us all kinds of names, they know as well as we do that there is a trainload of evidence for two Oswalds. The above is just a start at summarizing it.

Oh, my sides are aching from laughing.

Jim knows, as do most, that cases that get any publicity, attract false suspect sightings.

Here are just a couple pf examples:

The search for Steve W. Stephens had spread across a wide area of the country, with apparently false sightings reported in eastern Pennsylvania, Maryland, Indiana, Michigan and even Texas. But he ended his life near Erie, Pa., about 100 miles from Cleveland, where on Sunday he walked up to a stranger, Robert Godwin Sr., fatally shot him, and then posted the video for the world to see.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/us/facebook-killer-suicide-erie.html

Since then, there have been 15 potential sightings reported to police or the National Crime Agency, who are working abroad to track down O’Brien.

Four of these have been investigated and eliminated from enquiries but work continues on the rest.

In particular efforts are being focused on Marbella in Spain, Bangkok in Thailand and Dubai.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/police-probe-15-new-sightings-global-hunt-murder-suspect-shane-obrien-156311

I could fill pages with similar examples and the bigger the case, the more false sightings there will be. Here you have the biggest case in modern history with the only suspect, a generic white 24 y.o. male. What would be truly amazing is if there were no (or very few) such false reports.

If Hargrove had an ounce of decency, he would thank Armstrong for all the files, but denounce his theory and walk away from it.

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 9:46 am

jeremy wrote:Greg has replied to these points here:

https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t2051-time-to-kill-another-myth-there-was-no-second-oswald-arrested-at-the-theater

As for why the names vanished, isn't it obvious? It would have given away the plot involving George Applin, the Portuguese-speaking Icelandic orphan who entered the US without leaving a trace in the immigration records, and Jefferson Applin, the Swahili-speaking Japanese world war two refugee with sloping shoulders, who also entered the US without leaving a trace in the immigration records.

It was George who was driven away in a police car, and Jefferson who was beamed up into an invisible spaceship that had been hovering above the Texas Theater; the same spaceship, incidentally, that would be used several years later during the exhumation of one of the many Oswald doppelgänger so that a sneaky mastoidectomy operation could be performed on the corpse without any of the witnesses noticing.

What do you mean, this all sounds so far-fetched that only the paranoid and the gullible would take it seriously? But I have it on good authority that the 'Jefferson and George' theory, just like the 'Harvey and Lee' theory, was partly dreamed up by some guy who believed that the moon landings were faked! How could it possibly be wrong?

LOL I only wish I'd said it!

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 11:11 am

My thoughts on the whole Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater getting arrested at the same time is clearly due to a mistaken and a faulty police report.

The police officers didn't file their report until the NEXT DAY, and then went from memory of the original police radio call which was "In the balcony"

Hell, one of the officers might have relied upon the other officer who was going off of the same police radio call "in the balcony"

Example, next day, these two cops to one another.

Cop A - "Oh shit, I almost forgot to fill out my report, hey Cop B, what did you put down on that Texas Theater arrest thing yesterday anyway?

Cop B - "Just like the radio call said numbnuts, in the balcony"

Cop A - "Oh okay"

Now if Cop A and Cop B hadn't talked to anyone else about the location of the arrest, then how could they be the ONLY TWO who got the Texas Theater arrest location wrong?

I say it's a simple matter of a clerical error on the part of those two cops verifying to each other, their own bad information as to the location of the arrest and nothing more.

To make this into "Two Arrests in the Texas Theater of Two Oswalds" is in itself, theater.

It's drama, let's face it.

The same kind of dramatic theater that the Harvey and Lee crowd and their sycophants feast upon.

The more dramatic the better!

Hey, it sells copies!

Without drama, that whole Harvey and Lee book would be a complete non starter.

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 12:47 pm

Jeff Stanton wrote:My thoughts on the whole Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater getting arrested at the same time is clearly due to a mistaken and a faulty police report.

The police officers didn't file their report until the NEXT DAY, and then went from memory of the original police radio call which was "In the balcony"

Hell, one of the officers might have relied upon the other officer who was going off of the same police radio call "in the balcony"

Example, next day, these two cops to one another.

Cop A - "Oh shit, I almost forgot to fill out my report, hey Cop B, what did you put down on that Texas Theater arrest thing yesterday anyway?

Cop B - "Just like the radio call said numbnuts, in the balcony"

Cop A - "Oh okay"

Now if Cop A and Cop B hadn't talked to anyone else about the location of the arrest, then how could they be the ONLY TWO who got the Texas Theater arrest location wrong?

I say it's a simple matter of a clerical error on the part of those two cops verifying to each other, their own bad information as to the location of the arrest and nothing more.

To make this into "Two Arrests in the Texas Theater of Two Oswalds" is in itself, theater.

It's drama, let's face it.

The same kind of dramatic theater that the Harvey and Lee crowd and their sycophants feast upon.

The more dramatic the better!

Hey, it sells copies!

Without drama, that whole Harvey and Lee book would be a complete non starter.

That explains the balcony/stairs half of the equation. Police collaborating on reports is common (and most times not even with sinister intent).

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 1:05 pm

On our old forum, Ed put forward this person s perhaps being George Applin.

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He could be right, based on he description Burroughs gave of the guy wearing a pull-over "shirt".

I also note that in the same thread at the old forum, Hasan went from believing the person taken out the back was Crafard, to pinpointing Applin as the most likely, based on the actual documentary evidence. Nice work, Hasan if you're lurking out there.

Thu 29 Aug 2019, 9:33 pm

Thanks for the kind words Jeff.
They are much appreciated.
Better send that photo t Professor Fez..recently appointed visiting lecturer at the Peter Lemkin Institute of Applied Hysteria..Pragues leading doggy grooming service cum paranoia maddened degree mill.
Pete will suck the roundworms out of Fidos asshole while lecturing you about the Machiavellian depravity of the Skull and Bones Death Cult
Peter sez..while wiggling his tentacles furiously like some slimy undersexed tie dyed octopus
" According t Tosh Plumlee GHW Bush didn't die..he got a transfusion of blood from the giant humanoid gecko lizards the CIA have bred in an underground bunker out in Area 51..
He's alive and growing giant marrows with Maggie Thatcher and General Pinochet on an isolated South Atlantic island.."
Only the Fez is capable of triangulating the size of the guys head..the Fez after all is an acknowledged expert in such matters..just google David Josephs 13 inch heads..
Look at the expression on the poor man's face..
Its like he's been confronted by an over excited SergeantTrotterImage..
" For clarification can you still see the pock marks? The ointment i got from Sanibel Pharmaceuticals seemed t have cleared up the rash.."

Fri 30 Aug 2019, 11:52 am

Steve Thomas wrote:According to Dale Myers, Ward's Drug Store was across the street from the Theater on Jefferson at the corner of Jefferson and Madison.

Sorry Steve, but Myers is wrong.

This is from the '63 directory. Note that Ward's is misspelled as Ware's... but as Ward's is not listed at all, it has to be a printing error. Pic courtesy Phil Hopley.

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The other store listed was 7 miles from the theatre.

Note that today, 201 S Zang is forward of the TT but 199 (and 200) is to the rear. I can only assume that S Zang was renumbered since 1963 and that in 1963, 201 was also to the rear as it seems unlikely in the extreme that the car was parked where 201 is today.

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Sat 07 Sep 2019, 11:43 pm

Classic post by Jeremy at the Ed Forum
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25901-two-oswalds-in-the-texas-theater/?do=findComment&comment=406189

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That's a KILLER IMAGE Stan..Well Done!

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