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Another attention-seeker at the 13 Inch Head Forum Pt Two Empty Another attention-seeker at the 13 Inch Head Forum Pt Two

Sat 10 Sep 2022, 1:14 pm
Bunk.  You're talking about something that you don't really understand.
How many adults with Asperger's have you evaluated and treated over the years?

Oh dear.  So you have to have evaluated and treated people to understand any particular condition they might have? 

Your God-Complex is showing. 

Unlike W Niederhut, I contacted the man recognised as the world's leading authority on the subject, Tony Attwood, outlining some of the things people who knew him had said about Oswald over the years, as well as outlining his Russian proficiency and his poor writing etc and asking if the total picture was consistent with Asperger's. Attwood agreed it was an "intriguing possibility" and gave permission to quote his reply in my work.

There is also this: Not only can a foreign language be learned quickly, but with Asperger’s Syndrome, it is often spoken without a hint of the person’s native tongue, for example, “when an Englishman learns French, a native of France can easily detect that the speaker’s first language is English.” Such detection is far less likely however, if the Englishman happens to have Asperger’s Syndrome (The Complete Guide to Asperger’s Syndrome by Tony Attwood, p225).

 this: “Once the child with Asperger’s Syndrome has heard a particular word or phrase, the original enunciation will be continued such that the experienced listener may be able to identify whose accent is being echoed.” (The Complete Guide to Asperger’s Syndrome by Tony Attwood, p220) which explains his pronunciation including the for the English word "asked".

 this: In Asperger’s Syndrome: A Guide for Parents and Professionals, Tony Attwood quotes a patient regarding odd changes in her speech patterns. According to the patient, she would “often fluctuate between accents and pitch” and the manner in which she described things. She also noted that her accent was sometimes “quite polished and refined.” That this is not a rare instance can be seen in various online forums dedicated to Asperger’s. In one example, a partner of a person with Asperger’s commented that “…he says things so properly that he has no accent at all, and that’s why he sounds a little weird. Most people where we live have pretty obvious American southern accents and it’s like he’s immune to picking it up. Then sometimes there’s this blunt, angry-sounding “accent” that makes him sound a little eastern European or something.”

And this: In Asperger’s Syndrome – that explains everything: Strategies for Education, Stephen Bradshaw tells us that the person with Asperger’s may often commit a faux pas by “not understanding the rules of the particular social framework.” Lillian’s attempts to excuse Lee sitting in the Black section of the bus on the grounds that those were the only seats available is hardly credible, since this would be likely to have happened from time to time without any non-Blacks ever taking those seats.

Oswald's [Russian] linguistic abilities were rated as mediocre, at best, in the Marine Corps. 
Actually they were rated "P" which the WC was told stood for "Poor". I would note that "P" also stands for "Pass" and "Proficient".

Oswald scored +4 +3 and -5 for a combined score of +2. If those scores were really classed as "poor", why does the military pay an allowance for "poor" foreign language skills?

The rates and scores needed to paid those rates as at 2006 

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Speaking as a board certified psychiatrist from Harvard Medical School, (class of '83) my opinion is that it isn't plausible at all that a dyslexic, native English-speaking high school dropout like Oswald would read and discuss the novels of Turgenev and Dostoevsky in Russian.  That's an ability that we would expect to see in native Russian speakers, or grad students in Slavic languages. 

Wow! Two mentions of your education in the space of three pages.  

You're not the first to trot out a Harvard education to make a complete lack of knowledge sound better. You're not the first to try and "beat" my work by virtue of a Harvard qualification, but no facts. 

It does smell a bit like desperation. 

But this bushman with less than 2 years of high school agrees with you. It isn't plausible at all that a dyslexic, native English-speaking high school dropout like Oswald would read and discuss the novels of Turgenev and Dostoevsky in Russian. Unfortunately for you, Oswald was not dyslexic. 

As for your claim that you'd have to be a native speaker to do it, the evidence suggests otherwise.

"George and Jeanne were impressed by Lee's reading choices, especially his ready references to classic Russian literature such as Tolstoy, Gogol, Turgenev and Chekov." (The Faux Baron: George de Mohrenschildt: An Aristocrat's Journey from the Russian Revolution to the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, pg 324)

Which of course is your cue to play your "doppelganger" card. I wonder what a good non-Harvard trained psychiatrist would make of that ... the need to explain away things that go against core beliefs by imagining there was a CIA program creating doppelgangers and that said doppelgangers account for all the alleged anomolies in the records. 

Your cries for attention though are getting addressed, so that's one positive for you...  Go for it!


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Another attention-seeker at the 13 Inch Head Forum Pt Two Empty Re: Another attention-seeker at the 13 Inch Head Forum Pt Two

Sat 10 Sep 2022, 2:09 pm
BTW, in my early 20s I went to adult night classes in creative writing. On that first night, everyone read out a sample of their writing. I was last and sat there listening as everyone got polite applause and a critique -  - some brutal - as was one I would receive on another night after reading a piece of excrutiatingly bad poetry I had written  and that I personally liked - but in hindsight, only because of the subject matter. But on that first night, after I read, there was just silence. I thought "well, that must have really sucked". But no - the silence was out of being stunned, with one person comparing it to Dostoevsky. I had heard of the dude but never read any of his books at that time.

But according to your logic, a small sample of my writing being compared to Dostoevsky's work by some backpacker from Ireland, no less, is not possible, given my lack of education. It must have been my doppelganger.  

Something similar happened 20 years ago in alt.conspiracy.jfk when I was more or less called a successor to Peter Dale Scott.

"This is great stuff. Thanks. I'm just now re-reading
Peter Dale Scott's "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK",
wondering why so little work has been done in the ten
years since its publication on so many of the suggestive
connections he throws out. This is exactly the kind of
thing that I've been looking for."
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[Greg's post snipped. If you haven't read it, *read it*!]

> BEAUTIFUL! Now THIS is research!
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His summary work is _Deep Politics and the Death of JFK_
(Berkeley: University of California Press, 1993).

I wasn't referring to anything specific in your post but rather to
the way you're trying to look at the bigger picture rather than
isolated facets of it. 
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/aKwyCuMzogM/m/m0DMkS1_428J

And no - I'm not in agreement with either assessment. The piece I read was in hindsight, Dostoevsky-ish, but I could never sustain one book in that style, let alone many and certainly not at the level of the man himself, let alone at the level I did reach with that one passage. As for PDS, I believe I have diverged significantly since 2002 and any comparison now would probably be unfair to both of us.

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Sun 11 Sep 2022, 10:59 pm
People who constantly brag about their degrees tend to be insecure people. They seem to have an inferiority complex.

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Mon 12 Sep 2022, 10:33 am
The subject of browbeating others with one's degree brought this quote to mind by Calvin Coolidge:

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts."
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Tue 13 Sep 2022, 10:13 pm
Dubya wrote:"Oswald" was, apparently familiar with the works of Turgenev, Dostoevsky, Gorky, and other Russian literati-- having read and discussed their work in Russian!  That's not the same thing as someone being able to possibly mimic a foreign accent.  (BTW, "Oswald" allegedly spoken remarkably good Russian with a slight Polish accent.)  
WTF does "Oswald" supposed to mean? I thought you were onlu asking innocent questions, nor joining the proselytizers. Until such time as the ACME Doppelgangalyzer is proven to be not fictional, leave the fucking quote marks to someone who actually knows what they are for. I'll throw in a couple of examples of proper use for you. No charge.

Okay. So you get Oswald's love of Russian literature from George's DeM's tome and then twist it out of shape. Nowhere does DeM say in I'm A Patsy that Lee "discussed" those works, only that he read them. That says nothing of his comprehension of them. You and Norwood have made assumptions that you magically transform into "fact".

As for the accent... as Attwood noted, some would speak with an Eastern European accent - and last I looked, Poland was in Eastern Europe.

It's about knowledge of both the language and its high literature-- by a young man who couldn't even spell in English!   (I have read some of Lee Oswald's English prose.  He spelled phonetically.)

Shit, are you still on about the Russian books? You ASSUME he had knowledge of Russian "high literature" beyond merely reading or attempting to read such books. 

Show me where those books are? He would not have purchased them. Too expensive. And they do not appear on any library lists of borrowed books. He DID have a copy of Dostoevsky's The Idiot because it had been bought for him by his Intourist Guide in Moscow as a 20th birthday present. Beyond that, Marina's aunt and uncle had an extensive library of all the Russian classics - but there is no indication Lee ever borrowed any of those books.  So where are they? 

As for Lee spelling phonetically... are you for real? I think it is about time you posted your accreditation as a psych because this is just getting fucking ridiculous.

Here are some examples of Oswald's spelling mistakes

ELDERY, ANLYZE, HABITITUATED. These are examples of dysgraphia, not phonetic spelling. Some of his spelling does show the classic reversal of letters seen in Dyslexia (for example he wrote Soviet as "SOVITE") but the mistakes most commonly were of the of missing or added letters variety. Examples of phonetic spelling would run a poor third to those two varieties. 

A professor of Slavic languages from Yale opined that "Oswald" was most likely a native Russian speaker for whom English was a second language.  Doesn't sound like Lee Oswald of Fort Worth to me-- with or without Asperger's. 
You rightly refer to McAdams as a propagandist - yet fail to identify Petrov as one? He made that point for one reason and one reason only - to paint Oswald as a Soviet agent. Just like you are now using Petrov to paint Oswald as a CIA Doppelganger. 


How do you and Greg Parker explain Armstrong's Kudlaty evidence-- i.e., the fact that the FBI confiscated Oswald's school records from Kudlaty after JFK's assassination?
... and there it is right on cue... the H & L patented change of subject.

It should be renamed the Butwottabout Theory.

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Tue 13 Sep 2022, 10:55 pm
Ron B wrote:I'm definitely not W, Parker or Atwood when it comes to psychoanalysis.  But I thought a symptom of Asperger's was hyperactivity.  I don't see this in Oswald's brief encounters with the press after his arrest.  No sir, I didn't shoot anybody. Somewhat measured.  I am asking for someone to come forward and help me. Nervous somewhat, understandably given the circumstances but not skipping from tangent to tangent. 

Maybe a little in his New Orleans debate when confronted with his Russian trip?  IDK.  
Ron, hyperactivity is mostly associated with ADHD - and ADHD is one of a number of conditions that ASD can be misdiagnosed as. Another common misdiagnosis would be the Youth House verdict of a schizoid personality disorder.

The problem is they share some of the same behavioral issues. 

On the other hand, one of the problems with ASD is public perception that it is "this" and only "this" when in fact, those with ASD vary nearly as much between themselves as those without the syndrome do.

As already discussed, innate ability to learn a second language is found in ASD. But not with EVERY single diagnosed case. It is just more statistically prevalent than in general society. 

The specific problem for Oswald was that the condition was not recognized in the US and he was definitely in the high functioning end of it... so he gets labelled an "oddball". If he had been rich, maybe he would have been called "eccentric". 

Let me show you how dishonestly the H & L Carnical run their show.

In his article, Norwood quotes an alleged interview Armstrong had with Zach Stout in 1998

“Oswald didn’t attend any Russian classes or read any Russian books or listen to any Russian records.  He didn’t have anywhere to get such materials and if he had them we would have known about it.  We slept in the same bunkhouse and most of the time worked on the same radar crew.  The idea that Oswald studied Russian in Japan is ridiculous—it just didn’t happen.”

What Norwood leaves out is what Stout told the HSCA

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Much of Stout’s HSCA interview was spent correcting information in Epstein’s Legend which allegedly came from Epstein’s interview with Stout.  Had Armstrong interviewed Stout prior to those House hearings, we would probably see Stout likewise using part of the HSCA interview to correct Armstrong.

Stout’s HSCA interview actually corroborates the information provided in 1963 by another Marine, Daniel Powers. 

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All of this and much more is in the essay here http://www.jfkconversations.com/lee-oswald-russian-language

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Tue 13 Sep 2022, 11:11 pm
Dubya wrote:The most plausible explanation for such remarkable literary fluency is that the young man had either studied Russian literature at a very advanced collegiate or post-graduate level, and/or was a native Russian speaker.
The most plausible explanation is that you made assumptions from a simple quote that Oswald read such books. 

You are also completely oblivious as to how hard the Russian test he took actually was. Despite that, I wonder why he did not pass it with flying colors given you claim he was a native speaker?

From someone who took the test in more modern times

I took the DLPT for Russian. I figured that I knew how to talk with natives, read some simple news texts, and read recipes online, and I was offered the opportunity by my command, so I thought why not take the test? If one takes this test, receives a satisfactory grade, and it’s an in-demand language, you will get extra pay. The catch: it’s only available to take if you’re in the U.S. military.


I have to say, this is one difficult test. Even the native speakers of Spanish, Russian, and German were struggling, but mind you that they still achieved stellar scores. The test is comprised of reading and listening, so to the people that are hardcore LingQ users, this would be right up your alley! The first portion comprised of listening. We’d listen to a dialogue, either a rehearsed one, or a real clip from a news cast and we’d decipher what it is. You’d have to answer multiple choice questions. Not only you’d have to comprehend the question, you’d have to understand what the meaning of the passages were. Towards the end, the passages got a lot more difficult. My mind would turn into mush, because the vocabulary used were beyond my mode of understanding. They would get into topics such as Soviet military history and geopolitics. The questions would get more confusing themselves despite being in English. Even if you picked out some words in the passage, you don’t know if it’s part of the right answer, because the questions are looking for ‘the most-right answer’ rather than a right answer.


The second part of the test was reading. I did better at reading, but still struggled. If I had the vocabulary of a college student, I think I’d have done well. The format was the same; multiple choice, the questions trying to confuse you, and the question looking for the most-right answer rather than a right answer. I noticed that I could pick out a good fraction of the words and phrases, but like reading, my problem was vocabulary. If I had done more reading in varied topics, I’d done a lot better.


“Why are you telling us this, if we can’t take the test?” You might be asking. Good question! I wanted to see how my skills meshed up with military standards. I scored low, which I was disappointed, but not surprised at the same time. I think taking proficiency tests are a good way to gauge progress in learning, but I don’t think tests should be the end goal, because the philosophy by many here is “just have fun”. That being said, taking the test helped me reevaluate my learning methods in LingQ and encouraged me to start importing a lot of my own content to learn off of. My current goals are to expand my passive vocabulary even more, by focusing on quantity rather than quality, and to have more conversations with native speakers.
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Oswald got more right than wrong - but did not acheive a stellar score like native speakers would. He did about as well as I would expect that someone would who had an innate ability and had done some intensive but not lengthy study - and suffered from a hearing defecit. 

And he did have innate ability. They would not have agreed to him undertaking study, let alone do the test if they had not already tested for such innate ability.

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Tue 13 Sep 2022, 11:36 pm
Let's return to Oswald's spelling and writing ability in English and Dubya's insinuations that these rule out him bring able to be reasonably fluent in Russian.

Let's also return to your oft touted qualifications and claims that you have diagnosed and treated many ASD patients - not just for the heck of it - but to point out that for someone making such claims, you have a gaping deficit in knowledge of the history of Asperger's.

Oswald’s periodic poor spelling: Oswald was known for his poor spelling and messy writing. However, there are examples of his writings which bear no misspellings.

From Dr Asperger’s original case-notes:
"His handwriting, as would be expected from his general clumsiness, was very poor. He carried on writing carelessly, and messily, crossing out words, lines going up and down, the slant changing. His spelling, however, was reasonably accurate. As long as his attention was focused on one word, he knew how to spell it. It was very significant then that he made more spelling errors when copying than at dictation. Really, one would expect that copying should not present any problems at all since the words were in front of him; but this very simple and straightforward task simply did not interest him".

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Wed 14 Sep 2022, 11:00 am
Newsflash.  Greg Parker already got taken to the cleaners by Jim Hargrove and David Josephs on the original 11 year (2004-15) Education Forum Harvey and Lee thread that I referenced above.
Just as predicted by Jeremy. After years of Jimbo calling for a debate on the Ed Forum, when push comes to shove, they are all going to scatter and run.

Although it was wise of Dubya to drop Gaal from those who took me "to the cleaners" after I pointed out the camel's droppings masquerading as Gaal's posts, he is still left with Gaal Lite and a refugee from the Lord of the Rings film set. 

It is a  sad and pathetic way to avoid an actual debate.  


And I'm still waiting for you Anti-H&L rhetoricians to tell us how you "debunked" Armstrong's data about Frank Kudlaty and the FBI's confiscation of Oswald's Stripling Junior High School records after JFK's assassination.

Every time the subject comes up, you deflect to a different topic.
I'm sure even Dubya is aware of the irony here as pulls the Kudlaty card out to change subjects..

Mark Stevens puts the Kudalty crap to the sword. Denying that he did is easy. Proving that he dis - well, that's something we'll never get the chance to see. No one wants to address it with any counter arguments.


As for Parker's Asperger's theory about Oswald's ability to read Dostoevsky and Turgenev in Russian, it's bunk.

Adults with Asperger's have difficulty perceiving and responding to social cues, and they tend to fixate on and repetitively talk about the subject of their obsession.  They generally lack wide-ranging, open-ended intellectual curiosity-- traits which are essential for the study and comprehension of advanced literature.

So, for example, an adult with Asperger's would be more likely to ruminate and talk obsessively about Raskalnikov's murder of the pawn broker in Crime and Punishment, rather than reading and discussing a wide array of great Russian literature in Russian.
I am not going to continue with an inter-forum debate. They have refused the chance to have a real debate. 

But I will address this nonsense in case anyone actually falls for it.

ASD - what does it stand for again? That's right Doc! Autism SPECTRUM Disorder. Does that give a clue? Yes, I think it does. There is a SPECTRUM on which ASD cases may fall. Dubya is trying to get everyone to believe that there is only deep end of the spectrum. Nope. There is a high functioning end as well. 

Either Dubya is deliberately lying about the disorder, or he was lying about ever having diagnosed and treated it (or if he did, he was taking money under false pretenses).

What are the levels of ASD?
ASD is divided into three levels:

Level 1. People at this level may have symptoms that don’t interfere too much with their work, school, or relationships. This is what most people are referring to when they use the terms high-functioning autism or Asperger’s syndrome.

Level 2. People at this level require some outside support on a daily basis. Examples of outside support include speech therapy and social skills training.

Level 3. People at this level require substantial outside support on a daily basis. In some cases, support may include full-time aides or intensive therapy.
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Dubya wants you to believe only level  exists.

But let's look at Oswald in regard to what Dubya says...

Adults with Asperger's have difficulty perceiving and responding to social cues But those in Level one learn by observation and mimic the "right" behaviors.

 tend to fixate on and repetitively talk about the subject of their obsession From Mike Paine's testimony:

Mr. PAINE - Well, I think one of the most outstanding was in this discussion of religions and I was trying to suggest that religions did embody many of the values of many people and so the conversation was trying to talk about those values quite apart from--I think the Russian, I think Marina's view of religion is quite primitive never mind Marina. Ruth was bothered by his logic or argument being of no avail. She would be content, you know if he had followed the laws of debate or something, you present evidence and he presents opposite evidence and you try to answer, let one answer the other. But when he couldn't answer he would just state his belief and there he followed the Communist line.
He talked something about feudalism, or the church being more powerful in feudalism than it was today and he tried to explain why that was.
I had then suggested that maybe science was instrumental as an alternative explanation to his explanation but instead of supporting further his view, which just didn't make sense to me, he just restated it. Well, this kind of thing.
Mr. LIEBELER - Upset your wife?
Mr. PAINE - Yes; you just couldn't enter the conversation deeper.

There are other examples in testimony where Oswald is said to just restate the same arguments over and over again. Much like H & L talking points really. 

They generally lack wide-ranging, open-ended intellectual curiosity

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5) was updated and released in 2013. Before its most recent update, the DSM used to detail a condition known as Asperger’s syndrome.
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People diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome had several symptoms in common with autistic people, but they didn’t have delays in:

the use of language
cognitive development
the development of age-appropriate self-help skills
the development of adaptive behavior
the development of curiosity about their environment
https://www.healthline.com/health/high-functioning-autism#vs-aspergers-syndrome

If you had even an ounce of belief in the shit you are posting, you would jump at the  chance to debate me. Referring back to a trainwreck of a  thread that is 7 years old and dominated by Gaal and his magical mystery tour of the wonders of his mind, is a  pretty pathetic and cowardly act.

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Wed 14 Sep 2022, 11:46 am
Michael Kalin wrote:Much obliged, should put the issue to bed, but it won't.

FWIW Parker's site, ROKC, in its earlier iteration was one of the better JFK forums, hosting lively & intensely argued discussions. Then the brain police chief took over, crushed dissenting opinions, remade the interface, but forgot to rename the site. It should now be called Maggie's Farm.
It hasn't - because what Dubya said is just flat out not true. See my previous post.

ROKC remains the only site dedicated to making itself redundant by getting the case reopened. It remains one of the few places where any meaningful research is being undertaken - and I might add, made freely available. It may also be the only forum not soliciting money.

It has not changed at all, except for the fact that we have upset a lot of people by exposing their grift and lies. That in turn has meant members, including myself, become targets of those people, and have to set the record straight. That has become a self-propelling distraction that we do not need, and it will be addressed sometime in the coming months. 


The Ed Forum meanwhile should be renamed Mr Jones' Loungeroom because y'all just know something is happening here, but you have no fucking clue what it is.

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Fri 04 Nov 2022, 4:59 am
Depressingly, the  good DR Neiderhut ( Harvard medical school class of 83 muthafuckas) is the  posterboy  for  a  " certain  type of conspiracist " 

The type of conspiracist mentality that is welcomed,  indeed encouraged by  Lord Gordo's  reactionary  regime( imagine a sort of  twee  twinset and  pearls type of  suffocating 1970s British sitcom style mediocrity/ morality ,  ruthlessly  enforced by jackbooted thugs with bad teeth and matching sweaters, we've  even  been  treated to the  thoroughly wholesome and edifying  spectacle of the  esteemed Professor Sanford Larsen,  with his shiny new  moderators badge stuck to the brim of his 13 inch hat , issuing pronounciamentos)

The type of conspiracist that accepts  " conspiracy evidence " at face value.  No fact, nor indeed witness,  regardless of how dubious,  poorly sourced or uncredible are ever to be disputed 

Ever

The  kind of  fucking  boofer who  tunes in religiously to hear Don Jeffries,  the  kind of  utter  vacuous  throbber who will go to his  grave  believing  Tosh  Plumlee,  Beverley Oliver and  Gordon  fucking  Arnold..


Woe  betide  the  poor misguided  soul who has the temerity to  question,  or God forbid , hold said fact or witness up to examination. Even if be superficial and/ or perfunctory . It won't be long before the  shrill howls and the  hoarse  barking  croaks come a floatin ' down..

COINTELPRO infiltrator,  disinformation agent...like magnolia blossom in springtime back in good old New Orleans..

To my humble unlearned  mind  at least,  boasting about  your intellectual/ educational  achievements are two of the  surest  admissions of failure..

Surely  the depth/ quality  of  the  intellect in question can be ascertained by the  content of the argument? Or the depth of  knowledge and the understanding of the question at hand?

Merely  parroting some of the hoariest  ,stalest and least convincing conspiracy  tropes , before rising to a crescendo of  smugness by trumpeting his dazzling  intellectual attainments , is more the feeble belching of a paper tiger than the  profound  insightful musings of  the true intellectual. 

Plus, this is yet another example of the  utterly baleful,  downright pernicious  influence  the H and L doppelganger  fantasy  still exerts..

The pervasiveness  and the  sheer longevity ( not to mention the  stamina,  enough to make even  Porfirio  Rubirosa  blanche) not to mention the evangelical  wild  eyed fervour of the  handful of  remaining  disciples,  have  turned  H and  L into the  disinfo  vampire theory from  hell..John Armstrong  is nothing  more  than  Ed  D Wood trapped  inside the  body of a  slick toupee  totin' huckster cum wannabe  cult  leader..

Who needs Glen or Glenda when you have  HARVEY  or LEE?

DR Neiderhut  is a  prime example of ardent conspiracy  neophyte who is desperate to believe. Who refuses  even to countenance anything remotely  critical....like  some  shrivelled  virgins spinster fearing his mind may be importuned  then penetrated by some nefarious  lone nutist,  instead of the  glib silver tongued assurances of the  callous  gold hungry  gigolo 

He won't listen because he doesn't want to listen. He already knows everything he wants to believe..

Prouty's  assorted  fables, his erstwhile namesake, the  teenage Dubya  , strolling through the Plaza,  enjoying the autumn  sunshine,  now H and L...

For all their  apparent confidence,  articulated with such brashness  and  at such  frequency,  none of them have yet found  the courage , to match  their seeming  commitment..

None of them have the fucking  cojones  to  debate  Greg,  preferring instead to take the low road,  the easy  way,  the cowards  way..

Putting words in  his mouth, and  twisting  his arguments  into strawmen  they then  proceed to  better down...but only  just..

With all the  style and  elan  of  Sanford Larsen,  the  famous one legged Lancer from Utah in the  now infamous  2005 La Jolla Arse kicking  Olympics..

Ouch!! That's  gotten hurt

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Sun 06 Nov 2022, 12:44 am
alex_wilson wrote:Depressingly, the  good DR Neiderhut ( Harvard medical school class of 83 muthafuckas) is the  posterboy  for  a  " certain  type of conspiracist " 

The type of conspiracist mentality that is welcomed,  indeed encouraged by  Lord Gordo's  reactionary  regime( imagine a sort of  twee  twinset and  pearls type of  suffocating 1970s British sitcom style mediocrity/ morality ,  ruthlessly  enforced by jackbooted thugs with bad teeth and matching sweaters, we've  even  been  treated to the  thoroughly wholesome and edifying  spectacle of the  esteemed Professor Sanford Larsen,  with his shiny new  moderators badge stuck to the brim of his 13 inch hat , issuing pronounciamentos)

The type of conspiracist that accepts  " conspiracy evidence " at face value.  No fact, nor indeed witness,  regardless of how dubious,  poorly sourced or uncredible are ever to be disputed 

Ever

The  kind of  fucking  boofer who  tunes in religiously to hear Don Jeffries,  the  kind of  utter  vacuous  throbber who will go to his  grave  believing  Tosh  Plumlee,  Beverley Oliver and  Gordon  fucking  Arnold..


Woe  betide  the  poor misguided  soul who has the temerity to  question,  or God forbid , hold said fact or witness up to examination. Even if be superficial and/ or perfunctory . It won't be long before the  shrill howls and the  hoarse  barking  croaks come a floatin ' down..

COINTELPRO infiltrator,  disinformation agent...like magnolia blossom in springtime back in good old New Orleans..

To my humble unlearned  mind  at least,  boasting about  your intellectual/ educational  achievements are two of the  surest  admissions of failure..

Surely  the depth/ quality  of  the  intellect in question can be ascertained by the  content of the argument? Or the depth of  knowledge and the understanding of the question at hand?

Merely  parroting some of the hoariest  ,stalest and least convincing conspiracy  tropes , before rising to a crescendo of  smugness by trumpeting his dazzling  intellectual attainments , is more the feeble belching of a paper tiger than the  profound  insightful musings of  the true intellectual. 

Plus, this is yet another example of the  utterly baleful,  downright pernicious  influence  the H and L doppelganger  fantasy  still exerts..

The pervasiveness  and the  sheer longevity ( not to mention the  stamina,  enough to make even  Porfirio  Rubirosa  blanche) not to mention the evangelical  wild  eyed fervour of the  handful of  remaining  disciples,  have  turned  H and  L into the  disinfo  vampire theory from  hell..John Armstrong  is nothing  more  than  Ed  D Wood trapped  inside the  body of a  slick toupee  totin' huckster cum wannabe  cult  leader..

Who needs Glen or Glenda when you have  HARVEY  or LEE?

DR Neiderhut  is a  prime example of ardent conspiracy  neophyte who is desperate to believe. Who refuses  even to countenance anything remotely  critical....like  some  shrivelled  virgins spinster fearing his mind may be importuned  then penetrated by some nefarious  lone nutist,  instead of the  glib silver tongued assurances of the  callous  gold hungry  gigolo 

He won't listen because he doesn't want to listen. He already knows everything he wants to believe..

Prouty's  assorted  fables, his erstwhile namesake, the  teenage Dubya  , strolling through the Plaza,  enjoying the autumn  sunshine,  now H and L...

For all their  apparent confidence,  articulated with such brashness  and  at such  frequency,  none of them have yet found  the courage , to match  their seeming  commitment..

None of them have the fucking  cojones  to  debate  Greg,  preferring instead to take the low road,  the easy  way,  the cowards  way..

Putting words in  his mouth, and  twisting  his arguments  into strawmen  they then  proceed to  better down...but only  just..

With all the  style and  elan  of  Sanford Larsen,  the  famous one legged Lancer from Utah in the  now infamous  2005 La Jolla Arse kicking  Olympics..

Ouch!! That's  gotten hurt
I am genuinely perturbed that a psychiatrist who claims to have diagnosed and treated many patients on the spectrum, is so utterly clueless about it. And not just clueless about that, but also about dyslexia.

If Doc Needlenuts told me the upside down floating gold fish was deceased, extinguished, no more, in eternal rest, ready for Great Water Slide to the Treatment Plant, I would have to believe it was actually just doing some backstroke wihile contemplating the frailty of human existence.

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