A House of Cards?

greg parker wrote:Good Lord Almighty.

You've caught J Ray's disease. Shakespearean couplets!

Lee Farley wrote:

greg parker wrote:Good Lord Almighty.

You've caught J Ray's disease. Shakespearean couplets!

I admit he may have unconsciously influenced me but rest assured I will not be posting any baby photos or pictures of the Irish coast.  Also, his couplets have now been reduced to one word.

I may have been mistaken in my initial belief that Ray Carroll has been adding 120 replies to his own bizarre Seamus Heaney thread to be a complete gonad....

Hasan Yusuf wrote:I don't recall if this has been pointed out on the forum previously, but I thought I'd post it anyway. Mrs A.C Johnson told the FBI that when the DPD searched "Oswald's" room following his arrest, they bent one of the curtain rods which she then had to replace.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11103&relPageId=2

Regardless of whether the DPD did this accidentally or on purpose, I think it certainly would explain why they shoved the curtain rod story down Buell Wesley Frazier's throat.

Robert Charles-Dunne wrote:There may be another explanation for the genesis of the curtain rods story, Hasan:


Mr. Frazier:

"I worked in a department store before and I had uncrated curtain rods when they come in, and I know if you have seen when they come straight from the factory you know how they can bundle them up and put them in there pretty compact, so he told me it was curtain rods so I didn't think any more about the package whatsoever."


http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol2/page229.php

greg parker wrote:Hasan,

I can't imagine the Johnson's not seeking compensation from the DPD for the damage done. I don't think we'll ever find anything verifying that such compensation was sought.

Isn't there a photo somewhere showing her hanging the replacement/s?

Albert Rossi wrote:I'm bumping this thread because of its connection with the Meharg thread (both really provocative) and because I also forgot to report on what tourists hear when they visit 1026 N. Beckley today, as I did on the Lancer tour I took during my trip to Dallas on the 50th.

Gladys Johnson's granddaughter is now proprietor.  She reiterates that "Mr. Lee" was not a recluse who stayed in his "room" but was sociable and interacted with other roomers; that the authorities arrived suspiciously early on 11/22; that there were already curtains and rods on the windows in that cubbyhole he rented.  But she also tells a story which is meant to prove that Mr. Lee could not have been a violent misfit:  her two brothers once got into a fight on the lawn outside the front door when Mr. Lee went out to them and stopped them, sat them down, and lectured them on how they as brothers should be supportive and love each other.  She also claims the three of them were not allowed to watch TV, ironically, until Sunday morning, the implication being that they were being protected from seeing in custody the person with whom they had supposedly talked and played with.  She also claims Earlene Roberts tended to embellish what she related in order to lend herself importance.

I offer this up here without vouching for any of it (it seems some of it may simply be embroidery on top of a selection from the record). 




Hi Albert,

I spoke to Pat last year at the Lancer conference.  She is a really nice lady but some of the things she was saying are completely detached from reality.  I had already began playing around with the idea that Oswald never lived there but I didn't have the heart to broach any of it with her because this is obviously her business now and I believe she is trying to sell the house.  It was a damn shame that I knew more about the history of her grandmothers tenants in October/November 1963 and got to a point where the evidence placint him as a tenant wouldn't fill a thimble.

Her grandmother was a witness who played by the Warren Commission rules and as a consequence got a very easy ride when she should have been placed over hot coals.  But the fix was long in before she turned up to her deposition with that piece of scrap paper in her purse.  It beggars belief that this case against Oswald was allowed to progress and steam on with evidence not just given away to witnesses but some of the most important evidence not even being collected.  For starters I cannot believe the tenant registers, that Johnson claimed they had, were not collected.  

Amy Gladys Johnson was a great WC witness.  She rolled over when asked to roll over and she changed her story when required.  One minute she didn't know Oswald was married when he was staying there.  Next minute she did.  Her dates on when Oswald first turned up were originally off by a few weeks!  She listed her husband as a tenant to boost her numbers so the rooming house looked full.  

I don't care what anybody says, there is something got right with this house and it's association with a Ruby stripper (Wanda Killam) who was obviously dating a Beckley tenant behind her husbands back - the husband being a friend of Jack's - just tells us that something was going on there and now we have Mildred Meharg having an affair with a police officer who later went on to marry a man who an anonymous caller tried to repeatedly link to the Beckley house and my sixth sense is all over the place.  

Albert Rossi wrote:So ultimately how do you read the statement in the Odum report?  It seems to me that using indirect speech (the report stating what Johnson stated Oswald stated, all in the third person) creates ambiguity.  At first blush, it looks like that knowledge (he went home to see his family) is attributed to her through Oswald, but the clause beginning "since" could also be read as an afterthought, for the purpose of qualifying the basic fact of his absence, but not really part of the reported direct statement made to her by Oswald ("he told her he would be absent").  Deliberately devious?

terlin wrote:I was directed to this thread through a comment in Hasan's review of With Malice (part two) and it seems that another segment was promised for "tomorrow" about another missed weekend trip to Irving as well as something else he discovered that was "curious" about either Gladys Johnson or Earlene Roberts.

Was a new thread started? Or was this conversation dropped?

terlin wrote:I'm not trying to rush Lee into resuming this thread but I was wondering,

If Lee gave his address on his arrest as a house on Elsbeth, did anyone actually check out that address?

And if Crafard was the tenant on Beckley, was the minox camera his? And, if so, does that mean he was involved in intelligence work as well?