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Wed 21 Jul 2021, 3:52 pm
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Mick I think you'd agree it's hard to eat a lunch you didn't bring.


Yes Ed, and there is zero evidence he went outside the building to purchase it that day either. Why would he speak of eating his lunch if he didn't have it with him? Why would he tell Fritz he had brought his lunch to work - apple and a cheese sandwich. Hell even Wesley Frazier told the authorities Oswald would always take a lunch to work in a small lunch bag.
 


and I do not recall Linnie or Buell admitting to TWO SACKS.
That'd be ... 'sac'rilegious



Not two - not ever two. Just one - long enough to carry the broken down MC rifle or so said Linnie Mae. If Wesley did drive Oswald to work ( As you know I have my doubts) he most certainly saw a sack. A small brown paper lunch sack - the kind you buy at grocery stores. 


Wasn't the one person that used the paper and tape from the wrapping area was Frankie Kaiser.
Wasn't it his/Lee's clipboard made from the shipping dept. materials.
Wasn't it Kaiser whom happens to be absent.
Wasn't it Kaiser whom got into a bit of a scuffle with the colored boys.
Soon thereafter his brother Freddie quits.
If the Kaisers were right-wing anti black etc then isn't this a great choice to use as an insider to set up the 6th floor the day before?
Or maybe it makes it appear as though Lee was set up by Kaiser trying to incriminate Jarman, Williams or Norman



Need to look into this - Thanks Ed,


Outstanding!

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Wed 21 Jul 2021, 9:05 pm
I wonder if the new Oliver Stone documentary mentions Prayer Man. Anybody knows?

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Thu 22 Jul 2021, 2:29 am
Enduring questions.
 
The night following the assassination two FBI agents visited Lovelady at his home. They showed him a blow-up photo (Altgens 6) and immediately Lovelady identified himself. The FBI agents seemed relieved, "one had a big smile on his face because it wasn't Oswald."
 
If Oswald wasn't claiming to be out in front, why the great relief? According to Fritz, Wade, et al. the case was cinched without a scintilla of doubt Oswald was the sixth floor shooter. Hell, Wade was already talking electric chair.
 
The FBI agents were relieved because Oswald WAS claiming to be down in front. And they weren't sure of the extent of evidence out there to support his claims. That made them uneasy because they knew, in the words of J Edgar Hoover to LBJ on 11.23, "The evidence that they have at the present time is not very very strong."  
 
Imagine if the best Darnell frame would have been put out on the wire the evening of November 22. The FBI would have been shitting bricks trying to explain that one away.
 
Prayer Man is Oswald. No other credible explanation.
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Thu 22 Jul 2021, 10:48 am
That about sums up the whole charade right there Stan. There is and was no other explanation for the mad panic by the FBI agents trying to verify that the person in the Altgen's 6 photograph was Lovelady. Remember Ol' mate Wesley Frazier when asked about PM in the the Darnell pic said the figure atop of the steps standing to Wesley's right hand side looked like Lovelady but could not have been him because he'd headed down to the Railway yards.

It makes one ask how is it the FBI agents came about singling out Lovelady to ask that question. Why did they know to go see Lovelady about the man in Altgens 6? You're dead right - because they'd all heard of Oswald's alibi. They must've been petrified that Oswald's alibi had been caught on camera. 

It had just not in the Altgen's pic!

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Thu 22 Jul 2021, 10:51 am
@Vinny wrote:I wonder if the new Oliver Stone documentary mentions Prayer Man. Anybody knows?
From all accounts - NO, Vinny. I'm making that assumption based on the reviews.

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Thu 22 Jul 2021, 1:43 pm
So on EF they are discussing the fact that the Harvard Crimson is convinced by the Stone film that the single bullet theory is bull(et)shit. If media does finally accept this, then the associated deep and elaborate coverup that it represents does open the door to what is an equally deep and elaborate coverup of the fact that Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting, the Second Floor encounter was the First Floor vestibule encounter relocated, and on and on. Who knows, maybe it's a crack in the dike.

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Thu 22 Jul 2021, 7:37 pm
Thanks Mick.

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@Jake_Sykes wrote:So on EF they are discussing the fact that the Harvard Crimson is convinced by the Stone film that the single bullet theory is bull(et)shit. If media does finally accept this, then the associated deep and elaborate coverup that it represents does open the door to what is an equally deep and elaborate coverup of the fact that Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting, the Second Floor encounter was the First Floor vestibule encounter relocated, and on and on. Who knows, maybe it's a crack in the dike.
That's the hope, Jake. The documentary will have served a purpose if it does.

Otherwise and with all due respect, making a documentary based on the 2017-18 files releases with no smoking guns in them, and a book which was last updated nearly 10 years ago, might seem a little counterintuitive. 

Imagine the documentary that could be made from the material here. I know. Sour grapes. I'll accept that. 

But looping back... it really is the hope that this opens doors, if not minds as well.

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Yesterday at 12:47 pm
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@Jake_Sykes wrote:So on EF they are discussing the fact that the Harvard Crimson is convinced by the Stone film that the single bullet theory is bull(et)shit. If media does finally accept this, then the associated deep and elaborate coverup that it represents does open the door to what is an equally deep and elaborate coverup of the fact that Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting, the Second Floor encounter was the First Floor vestibule encounter relocated, and on and on. Who knows, maybe it's a crack in the dike.
That's the hope, Jake. The documentary will have served a purpose if it does.

Otherwise and with all due respect, making a documentary based on the 2017-18 files releases with no smoking guns in them, and a book which was last updated nearly 10 years ago, might seem a little counterintuitive. 

Imagine the documentary that could be made from the material here. I know. Sour grapes. I'll accept that. 

But looping back... it really is the hope that this opens doors, if not minds as well.

Harvard Crimson seems like a decent start, what with their Harvard cred and all. Interesting to note that this publication has no stake in the matter, unlike the big three networks who don't wish to out their own dirty laundry. Seems it will take more innocent and credible outlets to climb on board before the bigs are forced to knuckle under. It is the hope.

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Today at 3:29 am
Ed, my thinking was also taking into consideration that Oswald left the scene so quickly. If he was interested enough to watch the parade, one would think he would stick around to find out what happened, especially since the building he worked in had become the focus of attention.

Roger Craig’s attention was drawn to the Oswald or “Oswald lookalike” getting into the Rambler by a shrill whistle. What aroused his suspicion was the fact that they were leaving the scene while everyone was headed towards the scene. Although some say Craig changed his story over the years, it is definitely established that he reported this incident to others that day.

Leaving the scene so quickly would tend to draw attention to oneself. And yes, this is speculation.
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