Prayer Man

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Original Prayer Man thread at the Education Forum
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/20354-oswald-leaving-tsbd/

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G'day,
I have to say I find it oh so mildly amusing reading some of the comments, thoughts and rants associated on other forums regarding Prayer Man / Oswald on the front steps. It's sad really, watching people who have spent a lifetime married to an idea or a theory, only to witness that idea or theory shattering into a thousand pieces and not accepting the inevitable singular conclusion which is staring them in the face. To Greg Parker, Sean Murphy and all the other amazing researchers following the path of truth in this case I tips me Lid.

Mick

Thanks Vinny.

Therse are the straws that get grasped at until the films are available for study.

1. No one said he was there. But they also said no stranger was there. Ergo it must have been the invisible man only capable of being seen on film. Or a 300 pound female who wore wigs for professional reasons. At least she wasn't a stranger, I suppose. Buit there is also the fact that he was late out, standing behind everyone and quickly went back in. Also note the fact that he hated being noticed - as inplied in his Youth House reports.

2. Why didn't he shout out to every reporter in the hallway that he was on the steps at the time of the shooting? Because like everyone else on the steps, he was not aware of what had happened and he had gone back inside before word had reached others on the steps. He tried to go back out a little later when things started sounding hysterical outside. He most likely thought that this was when it happened - thus is reply that he was inside when the shots where fired. 

3. It's a blurry photo. Actually it's not. That's why  a scan from the original would be sharp enough for identification. As it is, the resemblence to Oswald is there for anyone to see, or to "not see" - depending on your level of visual accuity and honesty.Let's face it. If thw pic was showing this person in the 6th floor window, suddenly the likeness to Lee would become apparent to these people, the pics would be splashed across every broadsheet abd TV screen, and NBC would be raided by the FBI to confiscate the films "for the sake of justice and history." 

So these guys can go fuck themselves.  They are about as deep as the waters of the Todd River. It was just a friggin coincidence that Oswald said he went outside to watch the parade and there is an unidentied - but NOT unidentifiABLE dude on the steps in photos who happens to look like Oswald.

At least Cohen promotes getting clear scans. The rest of those clowns don't. Why this, why that, why the fuck don't you want clear scans anyway? There is authentic evidence pointing to it being Oswald. Afraid it will be proven true? I'm sure they are.

Brian Von Speer.
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Jake_Sykes wrote:At least Cohen promotes getting clear scans. The rest of those clowns don't. Why this, why that, why the fuck don't you want clear scans anyway? There is authentic evidence pointing to it being Oswald. Afraid it will be proven true? I'm sure they are.

So did DVP, or at least so he says - I said it’s a win-win and an issue both sides of the debate can get behind for the 60th anniversary, which he said he agreed with… but I’m not gonna hold my breath for Posner asking for better scans on CNN.

Jake_Sykes wrote:At least Cohen promotes getting clear scans. The rest of those clowns don't. Why this, why that, why the fuck don't you want clear scans anyway? There is authentic evidence pointing to it being Oswald. Afraid it will be proven true? I'm sure they are.

Sorry Jake, but I'm going to nitpick! He supports the idea - he does not promote it. 

Approaching the 60th, I think it is about time we dropped all niceties. That approach has helped this drag on for nearly 60 years because it gives the nutters, the fence-sitters, the prevaricators, the tinfoil hatters and the sociopaths an equal voice - their thoughts equal weight. It is way past time to declare to others, you are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Jonathan is probably a nice guy. But he can still go and fuck himself until he drops the bullshit arguments about why it isn't Oswald, and he has something positive to contribute regarding getting the scans. And he would realize they are bullshit arguments if he actually studied all the relevant evidence up to and including Oswald's pecadillos.

Here is another one, noted in his "special behaviors" report from Youth House. he does not encourage conversation. nor does he participate in conversation. "He does not communicate with his supervisors other than when he is asked A DIRECT QUESTION AND HIS ANSWER IS VERY TERSE." 

These behaviors were deeply ingrained - in my opinion - as a result of Asperger's. But hey-ho, if not, then just part of deep psychological damage or via his DNA, Whatever the case, he answered reporters' direct questions directly and TERSELY. He honestly believed he was inside when the shots were fired because he was unaware of what happened like everyone else on the steps, and had gone back inside before those on the steps had been informed. Not unrealistically, he equated the hysteria he heard outside with something happening right then.  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95619#relPageId=224

I agree Greg. it is time for those who care about the truth to hop onboard the Prayer Man train. At the very least call for the original films to be released. No more fence sitting. 60 years of debating the same old theories and speculation is enough. Unfortunately many do not want the case to be solved.

Von Pein after all those years does not understand the most basic elements of Lee Oswald.
Oswald did never volunteer info, he only talked when asked. 

Furthermore does Von Pein have all the film footage and audio? No he does not, nor ever made an attempt to get ALL of it. Seems that yapping at EF, while being in complete denial, is more important. Get to work you useless TWAT!

Jonathan Cohen makes some basic mistakes as well.
Who said Carl Jones was on the steps?
Who said Roy Lewis was inside the entrance besides himself.
Who said Joe Molina was there? Not even Otis Williams, his colleague, would not!

Furthermore Cohen makes another basic mistake of people coming forward to defend a commie defector in Tx....buahahahahaha
Better quit while yer ahead sunshine.

What is it about a sizeable number of people who always coalesce around official accounts, stories, and positions? These people believe what they're told. They vehemently attack anyone who suggests anything otherwise. Always plowing ahead, they are undeterred by facts, logic or reason contrary to their belief structure. They act as if they're under a spell, like zombies. I observe this phenomenon everywhere, every day.

greg_parker wrote:Sorry Jake, but I'm going to nitpick! He supports the idea - he does not promote it. 

Approaching the 60th, I think it is about time we dropped all niceties. That approach has helped this drag on for nearly 60 years because it gives the nutters, the fence-sitters, the prevaricators, the tinfoil hatters and the sociopaths an equal voice - their thoughts equal weight. It is way past time to declare to others, you are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Jonathan is probably a nice guy. But he can still go and fuck himself until he drops the bullshit arguments about why it isn't Oswald, and he has something positive to contribute regarding getting the scans. And he would realize they are bullshit arguments if he actually studied all the relevant evidence up to and including Oswald's pecadillos.

Here is another one, noted in his "special behaviors" report from Youth House. he does not encourage conversation. nor does he participate in conversation. "He does not communicate with his supervisors other than when he is asked A DIRECT QUESTION AND HIS ANSWER IS VERY TERSE." 

These behaviors were deeply ingrained - in my opinion - as a result of Asperger's. But hey-ho, if not, then just part of deep psychological damage or via his DNA, Whatever the case, he answered reporters' direct questions directly and TERSELY. He honestly believed he was inside when the shots were fired because he was unaware of what happened like everyone else on the steps, and had gone back inside before those on the steps had been informed. Not unrealistically, he equated the hysteria he heard outside with something happening right then.  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95619#relPageId=224

Nitpick away. You're right, it was the wrong word. One is either for the truth or against the truth, whatever the truth may be. But there are always those who sacrifice truth to self aggrandisement. They make mockeries of themselves.

From DVP at the Ed forum:

“As I've said before (such as right here at this forum just three days ago), I'm definitely in favor of trying to get better versions of the Wiegman and Darnell films. Let's do it! But how? Is there a petition of some kind that all of us can sign which can then be placed in front of the eyes of the people who own those original films?

And who does own them now? Wiegman's is an NBC-TV film. Does NBC own it now? And Darnell was a WBAP-TV reporter, right? So is his original film in the hands of KXAS-TV (formerly WBAP) in Fort Worth? Or did the Sixth Floor Museum snatch up some rights to those films (which they have done with other TV footage)?”

Recruiting lone nutters to work on getting the films can only help if they’ll actually get serious about it IMO. Pressure from as many angles as possible for the 60th might actually make it happen, so why not?

The deniers never stop.

None of these clowns understands Oswald.
Not one of them.
Sad really.

Vinny wrote:

So who is it and what's the price? Does Speer really think that if someone wanted to "make some moola" they wouldn't hawk their wares to the highest bidder? Ever heard of Go Fund Me? I call BS. I don't believe there is any such a person. Speer thinks FigureKMan is a woman so that shows his level of acumen about any of this.

They are more interested in promoting their pet theories rather than attempting to solve the case.

Not just Von Pein, but also the CTers in that thread are badly informed. To such an extend that I suggest all these people should read the chronology I have put together for the Anatomy of Lee Harvey Oswald's interrogations paper.

Agreed Bart. So many just take at face value what the official reports said.

Jake_Sykes wrote:

Vinny wrote:

So who is it and what's the price? Does Speer really think that if someone wanted to "make some moola" they wouldn't hawk their wares to the highest bidder? Ever heard of Go Fund Me? I call BS. I don't believe there is any such a person. Speer thinks FigureKMan is a woman so that shows his level of acumen about any of this.

Jake, I don't blame you for calling BS on this. It DOES sound like BS. But I heard about it from one of those approached, and after a lot of cloak and dagger tomfoolery, they stopped dealing with him. Others would know more about it than I do. What I heard was just a part of a much wider conversation via phone and it was a while ago now, so I don't recall all the details.  

If what I heard was not from someone directly involved - and someone absolutely trustworthy, but instead from someone like Speer, I would have been inclined to dismiss it as some kind of urban legend. 

You did make the right call, even if it leads to the wrong answer. Always consider the source among other things.

This Speer stuff was already mentioned on page 29 of this thread.

OK I'll come clean. The film was messed with, to such an extend that I accused that person of fakery. I also explained to him how and where it was done. 

This individual believed there were all kinds of intel people around DP (and there could have been) but the way he supported this with even blurier and less detailed images than PM was laughable. Some serious delusional CTer stuff was brought forward. Cinque meets Doyle meets Fetzer meets Savastano and then some.

But the fakery was so bad and obvious and above all easy to refute I sent him home to get packing.

Moreover his so called first gen copy was nothing more than a dodgy copy that was sandwiched in between other snippets of footage that were compiled in a newsreel. The whole thing stank....

I know where a good copy of the film resides and I am working on getting it.........as I know for sure that none of those EF CTer twats ever will. They are not planning for the 60th....hell no they are already thinking what shyte to come up with for the 70th......


#payattentionbrian

barto wrote:This Speer stuff was already mentioned on page 29 of this thread.

OK I'll come clean. The film was messed with, to such an extend that I accused that person of fakery. I also explained to him how and where it was done. 

This individual believed there were all kinds of intel people around DP (and there could have been) but the way he supported this with even blurier and less detailed images than PM was laughable. Some serious delusional CTer stuff was brought forward. Cinque meets Doyle meets Fetzer meets Savastano and then some.

But the fakery was so bad and obvious and above all easy to refute I sent him home to get packing.

Moreover his so called first gen copy was nothing more than a dodgy copy that was sandwiched in between other snippets of footage that were compiled in a newsreel. The whole thing stank....

I know where a good copy of the film resides and I am working on getting it.........as I know for sure that none of those EF CTer twats ever will. They are not planning for the 60th....hell no they are already thinking what shyte to come up with for the 70th......


#payattentionbrian

Thanks Bart. I though there was something like that involved but my memory was too hazy to be sure.

What this shows is that Speer is either bullshititting about being told that if he saw the film, he would be convinced it is Lee, or the people who he talked to, bullshitted to him. 

I do recall thinking at the time  that it sounded very Fetzeresque. 

Anyway. all that's left to say is that Speer comes across as a calm, serious voice. And that does fool others. Glad to say it's not fooling anyone here.

Thanks for the information gentlemen. I'll stand corrected that there is a guy, but the BS stands correct.