the midnight news conference (or: who was Hyman Rubinstein talking to?)

Well, I'm building out a Jack Ruby timeline on jfk-timeline.org.

I haven't gotten to the graphical Timeline yet, I'm still on the list of Events.

So, I'm looking at "The Midnight News Conference", which is where LHO got paraded in front of the reporters at DPD HQ.

But that event, has a "context" - because before that, Jack Ruby was at Temple Shearith Israel, where his presence is verified by Rabbi Silverman and two old ladies with whom he had coffee after the service.

That was around 10:00 pm, when services ended (or shortly thereafter, at refreshments).

Then from there, Ruby goes (immediately, by the time frame) to Phil's Deli, where he orders a bunch of sandwiches. There again, he is seen by the person at the counter and one of the customers Marguerite Riegler who has five friends with her who also identify Ruby. And, Ruby makes a bunch of phone calls from Phil's, which are on the record - he calls the DPD to tell them sandwiches are coming, and he calls his sister Eva to tell her he's about to deliver sandwiches (the guy was on Preludin, what can I say) - the last phone call from Phil's is at 10:20 pm.

From Phil's, the next sighting of Jack is at the news conference at almost exactly 11pm, by Ronald Jenkins - and then we have about a half dozen DPD officers who knew Ruby well who say he was there "impersonating an Israeli reporter", with pad and paper in hand telling people he was translating for the Israeli press.

Here's the thing - Ruby's presence at the "Midnight News Conference" between the times of 11:30 and 12:15 are verified by photos 11:30-12:15  and at least twelve witnesses. (WCR 342): (25 H 229, 199, 177, 154, 152-3) (15 H 505-6) (The Killing of a President, 105) etc

That's central fact number one: Ruby was definitely at that news conference between the hours of 11:30 and 12:15 - and possibly (likely) as early as 11:00 because he was telling all the cops he had sandwiches he was going to bring up (which he then apparently took over to KLIF instead).

But now, back to the context. There's OTHER stuff going at the same time - especially: PHONE CALLS. There's all kinds of interesting phone call patterns revolving around Jack Ruby at this point. One of the most interesting ones, is his family. For instance at one point just a couple of hours earlier, he calls his sister Eva and tells her to call their other sister Eileen (Kaminsky) in Chicago - however Eileen calls Eva first -- which makes you wonder if Jack wasn't doing a little coordinating in the background - or maybe "someone else" was doing a little coordinating in the background.

Now here's where it gets interesting: there is a 31 minute on-the-record phone call, from the Vegas Club to Hyman Rubenstein in Chicago (Jack Ruby's brother), at exactly 11:50 pm.

And, Jack Ruby at that exact moment, was at the Midnight News Conference, having his picture taken with half a dozen cops who knew him well and all verify his presence and tell the same story about what he was doing and what he was saying.  There is even newsreel footage from WFAA and NBC shows Ruby trying to act like a reporter.

Jack Ruby, therefore, could not possibly have made that phone call. Someone else made the phone call, from the Vegas Club, to Hyman Rubenstein.

And that call, lasted a very long time. They weren't just looking for Jack, they were talking about something important.

Who was at the Vegas Club that night? Who could have made that call? Couldn't have been Larry Crafard, right? He was working, so he probably wasn't making phone calls at the same time. Who else was at the Vegas Club that night? Ralph Paul? Anyone else? Do we know?

The Vegas Club is just two doors down from the B&B Restaurant. Anyone interesting at B&B that night? (This is the night that Mary Lawrence claims she sees Ruby and LHO at the B&B around midnight - I don't know what to make of that, it's an oddball piece of evidence, for now I'm flagging it as an outlier because there's no Harvey-and-Lee data yet).

Or... let's look at it a different way. Candy Barr supposedly favored the Vegas Club, didn't she? How about Betty MacDonald, where was she at the time? Jada had apparently panicked and left Dallas already, and even though the Carousel Club was closed, the Vegas was still open. Who was working the Vegas that night? Anyone know?

What is quite clear is that by this time Jack Ruby had already received some kind of bad news. He was running around with a loaded .38 inside DPD HQ - all OVER headquarters, in the basement, on the third floor, in the setup room, and even right in front of Capt Fritz's office. Ruby had already been over at DPD at least once, in the 6:30 time frame, and possibly even more times than that. Victor Robertson busted Ruby trying to get into Will Fritz's office just after Fritz and a few others had left to go eat at the Majestic Café, that was around 6:30. So pretty clearly, if Ruby's intention was to stalk Oswald, he was already doing it. And thus the 31-minute call FROM the Vegas Club TO Hyman Rubinstein wasn't the bad-news call, it was something else.

What do you think?

The Vegas Club is just two doors down from the B&B Restaurant. Anyone interesting at B&B that night? (This is the night that Mary Lawrence claims she sees Ruby and LHO at the B&B around midnight - I don't know what to make of that, it's an oddball piece of evidence, for now I'm flagging it as an outlier because there's no Harvey-and-Lee data yet).

I'd have to have a long think and do some digging of my own to have any hope of giving a viable answer on the Hyman question.

But the above is easy. It's one of the numerous times Crafard was mistaken for Oswald.

Crafard was allegedly working the Vegas Club during the assassination week

greg parker wrote:

The Vegas Club is just two doors down from the B&B Restaurant. Anyone interesting at B&B that night? (This is the night that Mary Lawrence claims she sees Ruby and LHO at the B&B around midnight - I don't know what to make of that, it's an oddball piece of evidence, for now I'm flagging it as an outlier because there's no Harvey-and-Lee data yet).

I'd have to have a long think and do some digging of my own to have any hope of giving a viable answer on the Hyman question.

But the above is easy. It's one of the numerous times Crafard was mistaken for Oswald.

Ha ha - easy, eh?

Yes, it would be easy, except for one thing - Jack Ruby was not the person Mary Lawrence saw.

Couldn't have been. Jack was in front of a dozen cops and two dozen reporters at the time.

I'll go with you on the Crafard piece - so let's say that's the case, and maybe Crafard popped next door for a break, to talk to someone.

But the other implication is that there's some kind of person who "looks like Jack Ruby", to the extent that Mary Lawrence (who knew Jack for 5 years) mistook him - and even pretty close-up.

It had to be "Crafard and someone else", not Jack. And whoever that person is, could very easily be the same person who made the phone call.

Who "looks like Jack Ruby"? His brother?

Colonel Von Hello wrote:Crafard was allegedly working the Vegas Club during the assassination week

Hi Colonel - yeah, that's a real interesting piece. Do we know anything further about that structure, the employment setup at the Vegas? I'm just a n00b, so please forgive me if I'm asking n00b questions (maybe you can point me in the right direction) - but like, Crafard was substituting for someone, yes? ('Cause Ruby was asking him to go over to the Vegas and "be the bartender tonight" and stuff like that). So, who was that person Crafard was substituting for?

And, Ruby was leaving him (Crafard) alone in the club, yes? So Crafard was kind of "in charge" while Ruby was away, traipsing around town attending DPD news conferences and such? Was there someone else "in charge", like a money guy or something? Or was Crafard responsible for the receipts?

Seems Ruby was in the habit of taking Crafard for breakfast after work, which was usually 3-ish in the morning. I'm kind of wondering why that was happening - there had to be more than a social reason, yes? I'm thinking maybe receipts or something like that?

nonsqtr wrote:Who "looks like Jack Ruby"? His brother?

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This tidbit from the Warren Report:

At approximately 7:30 p.m., he (Ruby) drove Larry Crafard to the Vegas Club which Crafard was overseeing because Ruby's sister, Eva Grant, who normally managed the club, was convalescing from a recent illness.

Later that evening (shortly after midnight), Eva Grant placed a call to her son's father-in-law in North Hollywood CA, a fellow named Charles J Hirsch. To the best of my knowledge this fellow was never interviewed, by either the FBI or the Warren Commission. In fact there is an FBI document that places him at the Kaiser Hospital in Panorama City at the time (here's a link:  http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Civil%20Actions/FOIA%20Files%20CA%2075-1996/CA%2075-1966%20FBI%20Letter%209-12-78%20Referrals/JFK%20Appeals-Chronological/Folder%2021%2009-17-78/21-34.pdf )

But North Hollywood is a stone's throw from Van Nuys, which is where Chauncey Holt was doing some work (allegedly, at the Van Nuys Airport). Curious coincidence. Anyway... North Hollywood is right next door to me, it's the next town over.

So, Eva was "normally" managing the Vegas Club, which makes sense to me, 'cause there's your receipts, right? So in the meantime, while Eva was down, Jack had Crafard running the club, is the way it seems, yes?

And therefore, Crafard must have been handling the receipts, which would explain the breakfasts, yes? And typically those receipts for an evening would be in the several hundred dollar range, probably? And, Jack was apparently operating out of his car, using his car as his office and the trunk of his car as his bank. So, if this is the case, Crafard would have had to bring the cash, hand it over, and Ruby would have had to put it in his trunk on the way out. Something like that?

The question is, what happened to the receipts after that? There is only one record of Ruby at any kind of bank, and that's when Bill Cox saw him in line at the Merchants State Bank with 7000 dollars in cash, around 3pm on 11/22. I'm aware that there were bank "accounts" for the Vegas Club and the Carousel, but by all evidence Ruby didn't use them very often and they were in a bit of a mess accounting-wise (he even had an accountant quit on him 'cause his records were in such a mess).

Yeah, there has to be more to this story. Look at this - this is an interview with Eva from the 1989 time frame.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-jew-who-killed-jfks-killer/

Another person close to Ruby who tried, unsuccessfully, to block out the past is his nephew, “Craig” Ruby. (He asked that I not publish his real first name). His early memories are pleasant: Uncle Jack having a shot of whiskey with Craig’s father, doling out silver dollars to the kids, his flashy sports cars.

Flashy sports cars? More and more interesting!

nonsqtr wrote:

greg parker wrote:

The Vegas Club is just two doors down from the B&B Restaurant. Anyone interesting at B&B that night? (This is the night that Mary Lawrence claims she sees Ruby and LHO at the B&B around midnight - I don't know what to make of that, it's an oddball piece of evidence, for now I'm flagging it as an outlier because there's no Harvey-and-Lee data yet).

I'd have to have a long think and do some digging of my own to have any hope of giving a viable answer on the Hyman question.

But the above is easy. It's one of the numerous times Crafard was mistaken for Oswald.

Ha ha - easy, eh?

Yes, it would be easy, except for one thing - Jack Ruby was not the person Mary Lawrence saw.

Couldn't have been. Jack was in front of a dozen cops and two dozen reporters at the time.

I'll go with you on the Crafard piece - so let's say that's the case, and maybe Crafard popped next door for a break, to talk to someone.

But the other implication is that there's some kind of person who "looks like Jack Ruby", to the extent that Mary Lawrence (who knew Jack for 5 years) mistook him - and even pretty close-up.

It had to be "Crafard and someone else", not Jack. And whoever that person is, could very easily be the same person who made the phone call.

Who "looks like Jack Ruby"? His brother?

Have never looked into this incident, Brian. You may be right. There are other incidents where Ruby is allegedly seen where it may or may not have been him.

After the assassination Larry Crafard went to work for Jack Ruby's brother.

Colonel Von Hello wrote:After the assassination Larry Crafard went to work for Jack Ruby's brother.

Hyman?

The story I keep hearing is that Crafard hitch-hiked back to Michigan and went back to live with his sister.

That's not accurate?

greg parker wrote:

nonsqtr wrote:

greg parker wrote:

The Vegas Club is just two doors down from the B&B Restaurant. Anyone interesting at B&B that night? (This is the night that Mary Lawrence claims she sees Ruby and LHO at the B&B around midnight - I don't know what to make of that, it's an oddball piece of evidence, for now I'm flagging it as an outlier because there's no Harvey-and-Lee data yet).

I'd have to have a long think and do some digging of my own to have any hope of giving a viable answer on the Hyman question.

But the above is easy. It's one of the numerous times Crafard was mistaken for Oswald.

Ha ha - easy, eh?

Yes, it would be easy, except for one thing - Jack Ruby was not the person Mary Lawrence saw.

Couldn't have been. Jack was in front of a dozen cops and two dozen reporters at the time.

I'll go with you on the Crafard piece - so let's say that's the case, and maybe Crafard popped next door for a break, to talk to someone.

But the other implication is that there's some kind of person who "looks like Jack Ruby", to the extent that Mary Lawrence (who knew Jack for 5 years) mistook him - and even pretty close-up.

It had to be "Crafard and someone else", not Jack. And whoever that person is, could very easily be the same person who made the phone call.

Who "looks like Jack Ruby"? His brother?

Have never looked into this incident, Brian. You may be right. There are other incidents where Ruby is allegedly seen where it may or may not have been him.

Ruby looks a bit like Barry Seal once in a while.   (At least at one point during Seal's existence).

Well, this is an interesting exercise, I'm trying to put together this timeline for the site and it's turning out to be more worthy than I thought. (Initially it looked like a good bang for the buck 'cause along with Jack Ruby comes Crafard and Eva and all that).

The way it looks to me right now (and I'm a fresh set of eyes, I've been doing this for all of two days - I can't help look at the data as it's goin' by!) - is that the Rosetta Stone for Jack is the hours between 1:30 pm and 6:30 pm on the 22nd. By 6:30 pm Jack was already staking out the DPD. And if we're to believe Seth Kantor we have Jack at Parkland as late as 1 :30, although we have several near-simultaneous sightings of "him" around Dealey Plaza. But Seth says he talked to him and he knew Jack, so that sounds like something we'd like to nail down time-wise.

At 1:45 we have Jack closing the Carousel club, and at 3pm we have him standing in line at the Merchants State Bank with 7000 dollars in cash. (Ring a bell? 7000 bucks? Same amount David Ferrie used to open the gas station, yes?) Which by all accounts was a fairly large amount for Ruby - to the point that Bill Cox chided him for keeping that much cash on his person. (And by the time Ruby was arrested it was down to 2000-and-some, so... he musta done something with some of it, right?)

The earliest report of Ruby at the DPD is 4:15pm, and that seems early because the majority of the reports indicate the 6:30-7:00 time frame. He calls August Eberhardt and tell him he's bringing sandwiches, and then around 7 he's seen with a loaded gun inside DPD HQ. Between 3pm and 6:30, Jack is supposedly at his sister Eva's house (but that can't be the whole story, because there's a phone call from the Carousel in between), and Jack allegedly gets violently ill and throws up in Eva's bathroom AFTER he calls his doctor Coleman Jacobson, looks like sometime between 5:15 and 5:30, most likely.  

And in parallel with that, we have Jack making a phone call from the Carousel around 4:30, and a call from Eva's just before 6:30.

So, the way it looks is, Jack got paid, then he made some phone calls, then he got the bad news sometime around 5:30-ish, then he was at DPD HQ by 6:30. Kinda makes sense if it's encapsulated that way, doesn't it?

Brian,

Ruby was "seen" a day or two before the assassination giving a weapon to a "younger" man outside the TSBD.

He was "seen" the morning of the assassination taking a weapon from a truck in Dealey Plaza.

He was "seen" as early as 9:30 am on the Sunday outside City Hall by newsman.

After the assassination, people recalled "seeing" Ruby in NYC, Mexico, California,  Nevada and other places - with some of those sightings going back months, some years.

To compound the situation, there was a unionist in New York named Jack Rubinstein - and some who insisted Ruby was communist were undoubtedly getting him confused with the NY Jack. 

There needs to be some way of evaluating the sightings you are looking at, as I am sure some will be mistaken.

Stan Dane wrote:

nonsqtr wrote:Who "looks like Jack Ruby"? His brother?

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Hi Stan - this is a good one! I had a good laugh about this one on the way to the market. Y'know... contemplating the likelihood that someone like Sam would run down to Dallas and get himself personally involved in something like this... is somehow humorous.

I'm being very impressed by "the syndicate" at the moment - just starting out, but I'm reading about the way they had their business organized by 1963. It was brilliant, it was at least 15 years ahead of its time. The legitimate US corporations didn't catch on till the mid-70's, and that's only because the Japanese were kicking their butts in every way that mattered. The mob was doing all these advanced concepts - outsourcing, centers of excellence, distributed command and control... y'know, the buzz words. "Stakeholders", words like that. I just read that word in a wiretap transcript from 1964. And I didn't start hearing that word in the ordinary corporate circles till the early 90's. Brilliant stuff it was - a lot of genius. Someone pretty smart with a vision was behind all that.

If it was the mob, it's logical they would have put Johnny Roselli on it. After all, he was the guy with the best CIA connections. He was there on the ground, sometimes even on a daily basis. He had a uniform, a name ("Colonel Rawlston"), a badge, ID no doubt... and he would be in a unique position to a ) know what the CIA was up to, and b ) make some friends or acquire some acquaintances or get some people on the hook or however they euphemistically look at that activity these days.

If it was a conspiracy, it doesn't seem like it was on the ground. Rather, it was high up. Way high. I'll betcha Sam Giancana knew more about "plausible deniability" at that point, than even Allen Dulles did.

I have a concrete ground-based question though: where did Ruby get the 7000 bucks? It didn't come from some"where", it came from someone. Who gave it to him? If it was blood money, he had to have gotten it between the hours of 1:30pm and 3pm on the 22nd.

greg parker wrote:Brian,

Ruby was "seen" a day or two before the assassination giving a weapon to a "younger" man outside the TSBD.

He was "seen" the morning of the assassination taking a weapon from a truck in Dealey Plaza.

He was "seen" as early as 9:30 am on the Sunday outside City Hall by newsman.

After the assassination, people recalled "seeing" Ruby in NYC, Mexico, California,  Nevada and other places - with some of those sightings going back months, some years.

To compound the situation, there was a unionist in New York named Jack Rubinstein - and some who insisted Ruby was communist were undoubtedly getting him confused with the NY Jack. 

There needs to be some way of evaluating the sightings you are looking at, as I am sure some will be mistaken.

Yes. The evaluation proceeds along three lines - first, is the identification of "anchor events". These are events with very well defined times and almost no variance. Things like - police logs, hospital logs, phone company records... y'know... you can be "pretty darn sure" that if Ma Bell says your call started at 1:07 and lasted 3 minutes, then the variance is less than 60 seconds in all cases.

Next is "events with high confidence", which is based mainly on the number of unrelated corroborating witnesses. "Unrelated" could mean family in this case, like Jack and Eva or whatever - or it could be like in the case of the three women, the fact that they all work in the same place and hang out together. Same for Lucy Lopez and her friends a few days later, right? (The ones who supposedly saw Ruby giving LHO a gun about 10 minutes after the assassination). If the witnesses are related the overall confidence gets dinged, just because that mirrors the effect in real life.

Then the third level is the whole idea of "window adjustment" that we've talked about - like, the idea that you can decrease the variance a little bit, and prevent a "window crossing" (which is an illogical overlap against a neighboring window, things like "same person in two place at once", stuff like that).

There are many confounding factors in such a "measurement scale" though, yes? For instance, we're dealing with the 60's, and so the word of a cop would be favored over that of a heroin addict or a jailbird - just instinctively, reflexively - that was just the culture back then. (Most of American didn't wrap their minds around the concept of "corrupt cops" till well after Kent State, although the smart ones caught on around the Gulf of Tonkin) -

So like, the way it seems it oughta be in this JFK thing, is if a cop said it (any cop), that's worth a 10-point ding in confidence. It's exactly the opposite way here - the addicts and jailbirds seem to be more reliable than the cops!

nonsqtr wrote:Hi Stan - this is a good one! I had a good laugh about this one on the way to the market. Y'know... contemplating the likelihood that someone like Sam would run down to Dallas and get himself personally involved in something like this... is somehow humorous.

Outlandishly humorous, y'know.

Colin Crow posted:

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,9951.msg288853.html#msg288853

Mr. RUBY. I tell you, gentlemen, my whole family is in jeopardy. My sisters, as to their lives.
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes?
Mr. RUBY. Naturally, I am a foregone conclusion. My sisters Eva, Eileen, and Mary, I lost my sisters.
My brothers Sam, Earl, Hyman, and myself naturally--my in-laws, Harold Kaminsky, Marge Ruby, the wife of Earl, and Phyllis, the wife of Sam Ruby, they are in jeopardy of loss of their lives. Yet they have, just because they are blood related to myself--does that sound serious enough to you, Chief Justice Warren?
Chief Justice WARREN. Nothing could be more serious, if that is the fact. But your sister, I don't know whether it was your sister Eva or your other sister----
Mr. RUBY. Eileen wrote you a letter.
Chief Justice WARREN. Wrote the letter to me and told us that you would like to testify, and that is one of the reasons that we came down here.
Mr. RUBY. But unfortunately, when did you get the letter, Chief Justice Warren?
Chief Justice WARREN. It was a long time ago, I admit. I think it was, let's see, roughly between 2 and 3 months ago.
Mr. RUBY. Yes.
Chief Justice WARREN. I think it was; yes.
Mr. RUBY. At that time when you first got the letter and I was begging Joe Tonahill and the other lawyers to know the truth about me, certain things that are happening now wouldn't be happening at this particular time.

Chief Justice WARREN. Yes?
Mr. RUBY. Because then they would have known the truth about Jack Ruby and his emotional breakdown.
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes?
Mr. RUBY. Of why that Sunday morning--that thought never entered my mind prior to that Sunday morning when I took it upon myself to try to be a martyr or some screwball, you might say.
But I felt very emotional and very carried away for Mrs. Kennedy, that with all the strife she had gone through--I had been following it pretty well--that someone owed it to our beloved President that she shouldn't be expected to come back to face trial of this heinous crime.
And I have never had the chance to tell that, to back it up, to prove it.
Consequently, right at this moment I am being victimized as a part of a plot in the.world's worst tragedy and crime at this moment.
Months back had I been given a chance--I take that back. Sometime back a police officer of the Dallas Police Department wanted to know how I got into the building. And I don't know whether I requested a lie detector test or not, but my attorney wasn't available.
When you are a defendant in the case, you say "speak to your attorney," you know. But that was a different time. It was after the trial, whenever it happened.
At this moment, Lee Harvey Oswald isn't guilty of committing the crime of assassinating President Kennedy. Jack Ruby is.
How can I fight that, Chief Justice Warren?
Chief Justice WARREN. Well now, I want to say, Mr. Ruby, that as far as this Commission is concerned, there is no implication of that in what we are doing.
Mr. RUBY. All right, there is a certain organization here----
Chief Justice WARREN. That I can assure you.
Mr. RUBY. There is an organization here, Chief Justice Warren, if it takes my life at this moment to say it, and Bill Decker said be a man and say it, there is a John Birch Society right now in activity, and Edwin Walker is one of the top men of this organization--take it for what it is worth, Chief Justice Warren.
Unfortunately for me, for me giving the people the opportunity to get in power because of the act I committed, has put a lot of people in jeopardy with their lives.
Don't register with you, does it?
Chief Justice WARREN. No; I don't understand that.
Mr. RUBY. Would you rather I just delete what I said and just pretend that nothing is going on?
Chief Justice WARREN. I would not indeed. I am only interested in what you want to tell this Commission.That is all I am interested in.
Mr. RUBY. Well, I said my life, I won't be living long now. I know that. My family's lives will be gone. When I left my apartment that morning----
Chief Justice WARREN. What morning?
Mr. RUBY. Sunday morning.
Chief Justice WARREN. Sunday morning.

TESTIMONY OF HYMAN RUBENSTEIN
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/rubens_h.htm
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Mr. GRIFFIN. How long was your father here?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He about a year.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And you say you are not sure where you came to. Did you have a permanent home any place before you moved to Chicago?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So your first permanent home in this country was in Chicago and I take it that would have been shortly after you arrived in the country?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you lived in Chicago all your life?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Except when I was in the service or where else, except when I travel but outside of--my voting is right here in Chicago, my voting residence.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When were you in military service?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. From October 1942, until April 1943.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you serve?.....

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Mr. GRIFFIN. You left the service in 1943?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the reason for your leaving?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Overage. They told me they had no more use for me. They apologized, I had a good record. I got an excellent discharge, they were sorry but they wanted a younger man in my place......

......Mr. GRIFFIN. And on your return to Chicago what did you do?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I took odd jobs, whatever I could get to make a buck, you know, salesman on the road. I am trying to think what I sold, novelties, premiums, different things that you could get. A lot of items you couldn't get, there was a scarcity, so you sold what you could obtain from different companies or different friends who were in business.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you work for any particular company?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I am trying to think. I can't think of any particular company I worked for. I probably bought stuff myself and sold it on the road.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I have in front of me your social security, a summary of your social security record. Do you remember working for the Arlington Park Jockey Club?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Oh, yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When was that?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Ben Lindheimer--how did that work out, I am trying to think. I worked there just before I got in the service, and then I was drafted, that was the last job I believe I had at the Arlington Park Jockey Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Your social security record indicates that you worked for the Arlington Park Jockey Club in 1943.

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Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Then I probably went back there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In fact all of 1943, and in 1942 with the exception of the fourth quarter of 1942.
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I was in the army for 6 months, how could that possibly be?
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. When did you go in the army in 1942?
Mr. RUBINSTEIN. October.
Mr. GRIFFIN. October. And when were you separated from the service in 1943?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. About April.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, that would be understandable.
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Is it October? Because I know I was in the service for 6 months. That I am positive of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now do you recall when you left the service coming back to work for the Arlington Park Jockey Club?
Mr. RUBINSTEIN. I don't recall but I probably did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do for them?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. You are a ticket puncher like he is doing now. You come over and ask for number two I gave you number two. You ask for number five, I gave you number five.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You worked in the mutuel window?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes, mutuel window.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Your record here indicates that you didn't have any employment covered by social security from 1944 to early 1949.
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Then---
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were you doing during that period after you left the Washington Park Jockey Club, and actually the last place you worked at the National Jockey Club.
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I don't know about the names of the jockey club but I worked at the racetrack for a while as a mutuel ticket seller.
As I said before, and I am repeating again, that I bought what I could and sold on the road for myself, and I made a living that way.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see....

....Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's get back to your own activities a bit. Can you tell us generally what you did from the time you got out of high school in 1922 until you went into the service in 1942?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I drove a cab for a while, I worked in a drugstore for a while, worked for Albert Pick and Company, they were a big hotel supply house on 35th Street.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do for them?

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Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's get back to your own activities a bit. Can you tell us generally what you did from the time you got out of high school in 1922 until you went into the service in 1942?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I drove a cab for a while, I worked in a drugstore for a while, worked for Albert Pick and Company, they were a big hotel supply house on 35th Street.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do for them?

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.....Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I was an assistant buyer, I want you to know, and I liked it, it was interesting. I was in politics for a good many years.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you tell us about that?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Sure. It was during my Deborah Boys Club days. I met a man by the name of Morris Feiwell, who took a liking to me, and he encouraged me to finish school, like a sponsor, you know, and when I graduated he says, "You come on downtown and talk to me. What do you want to be?" I says, "I don't know." He says, "Do you like to study continuously?" And frankly, I didn't. He said, "Well, don't study law. I was going to put you through law school but if you don't like to study continuously after you learn a profession, don't study law." And through him I met many big political men in Chicago, because Mr. Feiwell was associated to our ex-Governor Henry Horner. Henry Horner was probate judge of Cook County, and a probate judge in Cook County is the biggest judge in the area because he took care of 5 million people probating wills.
The judge took a liking to me because we done certain things, running errands for him, distributing literature for the campaigns--then I met different people, I met Ben Lindheimer. Ben Lindheimer was a big man in Chicago, owned Arlington Park and Washington Park racetracks later on.
He finally became chairman of the Illinois Commerce Commission and also president of the Board of Local Improvements in Chicago. So, I got a job as a sidewalk inspector. That is when I decided to go back to school, because the job as a sidewalk inspector was a political job, sponsored by Ben Lindheimer.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That would have been in the 1930's sometime.
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; 1932 or 1933, right. So, I figured why should I waste my time. I can take care of my job and go to school, and I did that. I tried to get my prelegal training there. Then in 1932 the judge ran for governor. Ben Lindheimer became president of the--not president, chairman of the Commerce Commission, Illinois Commerce Commission. He took me with him. I became a warehouse investigator. I was there for 8 years.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Warehouse investigator for the Illinois Commerce Commission?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Right. .....

......Mr. RUBENSTEIN. The whole family was Democratic.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you tell us about how you happened to meet I take it Mr. Feiwell was the way you got- made your political connections?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Indirectly, not directly, indirectly.
Mr. GRIFFIN. First of all, tell us how you happened to know Mr. Feiwell.
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He used to come down to the club and give us talks.

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Mr. GRIFFIN. What club was that?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. The Deborah Boys Club.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. And what sort of work did Mr. Feiwell do?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He was a big lawyer in Chicago.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He took a liking to you?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He wanted to encourage me because I was working my way through high school and he tried to help out all the boys that he possibly could.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And he made introductions of you to people in politics?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. As I said before indirectly. Let me give you one example.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. When Henry Horner ran for probate judge in 1928, I believe, Mr. Feiwell was one of the men in charge of the campaign. So he didn't have too much time, so I helped him whatever I could do. If we had a special meeting for fund raising, I would line up the hall, get the chairs, see that everything was ready made for the meeting, got coatracks and hatracks for the men for the meeting and they all got to know me that way, and so I became officially the sergeant-at-arms, and so that is how they got to know me. If they wanted something before they sat down, they told me if they get a telephone call, "Call me out" of if there was a call I could spot the man right away and tell them there was a call from out of the hall. Different things like that, that is how I got acquainted.
Later on I became more important because I knew the ropes a little bit because I knew what to do without their telling me everything. I knew how to pick up the printing, how to distribute the literature in the different wards and so forth.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you active in any particular ward yourself or were you in the downtown headquarters?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Mostly the downtown headquarters.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you ever on the payroll of the downtown headquarters?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. I was on the payroll for downtown headquarters. One year, when Adlai Stevenson was running, I was connected with the downtown Democratic headquarters at the Morrison Hotel.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was this after World War II?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. And they didn't pay me much, but I was glad to help out. I think they were paying me $25 a week.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Prior to World War II, were you ever on a salary or payroll for any Democratic club?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No. Only with the job that I had.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So your political activities prior to World War II were on a voluntary basis and would have been in your spare time apart from your other job?
Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Unless the big men in Chicago once in a while if they had me do an errand purposely slipped me a $5 bill because they knew I earned it.....

http://archive.org/stream/BritainsOpiumWarAgainstTheU.s/dopeinc_djvu.txt
.............
Emprise appeared in 1916, the year that the Bronfmans and the Hudson's Bay Company began bootlegging through the "Pure Drug Distribution Company," using the three Jacobs brothers as contacts right across the border in Buffalo. The original Jacobs brothers, Louis, Marvin, and Charles, used the old smugglers' cover of "food concessions" for a chain of vaudeville theaters on the Canadian border crossing points at Buffalo and Cleveland. (2) The modus operandi is pretty much the one Mitchell Bronfman used during the early 1970s for smuggling heroin into the United States. Once established, the Jacobs machine became a leading distributor for Bronfman liquor as the United States went dry.
Functionally, Emprise represented the "throttle" through which shipments of liquor could be turned on or off to the American mob. The Jacobs family, enduring a half-dozen criminal indictments through the 1920s, controlled the supply and financing of illegal booze for most of American organized crime.
Their dependents included the Purple Gang of Detroit, the gang convicted with the Jacobs brothers in the 1972 Las Vegas incident; the Morris Dalitz Cleveland-Las Vegas crime syndicate: and the Crown-Lundheimer mob in Chicago, the Zionist controllers of the colorful "cutout" Al Capone. (3) Not only are these ties still in place; every man who tried to do something about them is either dead, like reporter Don Bolles, or broken, like former Arizona Congressman Sam Steiger.

The Steiger investigation
Beginning in 1970, five-term Arizona conservative Congressman Sam Steiger began an investigation into Emprise's activities in his home state. Working closely with Bolles, Steiger prepared a series of reports for the House Select Committee on Crime, of which he was a member. Steiger placed two damning reports on Emprise in the Congressional Record in 1970 and 1972 (4)....

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Counterintelligence: Jeffrey Steinberg ...... and the Lindheimer Family of Chicago, virtually con trolled the ... Lindheimer Everett and her Lindheimer-inherited ra.

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Records show that stock was held by Webb's personal and business lawyer, the late Charles Strouss of Phoe nix. ... The Zerilli group sold the ranch to Crown and Webb in 1959 Land records indicate that financier Crown helped . ... Del Webb .

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If any loan were ever made, it would be made probably to Del Webb. ... after a flood, .it was sold to (financier Henry) Crown and Webb, records in connection with ...

Ex- Yankees Owner Linked To Mobsters . - Google News
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....Crown, now 80, a Chicago financier who owned the Empire State Building from 1954 to 1961, was a major investor in General Dynamics and the Hilton Hotel chain. He became a close adviser to Webb and one of the few men allowed in the inner councils of the corporation. He has been described by a close associate as Webb's "money man." A.A. McCullom, a former Webb executive, said he had to be interviewed by Crown before he was hired by the Webb corpo ration in 1961. Crown was a longtime ally of Chicago Democratic boss Jacon M. (Jake) Arvey, and a business associate of Tucson developer Sam Nanini, another former Chicagoan with acknowledged mob associations.....

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chicago jewish history - The Chicago Jewish Historical Society

Attorney and author Charles J.
Masters in his important monograph
reveals that at various times in
his political career, Horner found
himself an ally of Chicago’s powerful
Democratic Machine—founded by
Irish politicos Roger Sullivan and
George Brennan, perfected by
Bohemian Anton “Tony” Cermak,
and managed by Patrick Nash,
Edward Kelly, and the 24th Ward’s
Jacob Arvey. At other times, Horner
found himself to be the object of the
Democratic Machine’s wrath. While
remaining a staunch Democrat,
Horner nevertheless found himself
at loggerheads with the administration
of Franklin D. Roosevelt.
His rise to power and struggle to
remain in the leadership of Illinois
government is a dramatic tale, full of
political intrigue and twists of fate.
For example: Horner, elected
Governor in 1932 as the candidate
of “good government,” received his
political start with Chicago’s
legendary First Ward duo of “Hinky
Dink” Kenna and “Bathhouse John”
Coughlin—decidedly not good
government types!

He was a genial, well-spoken man with a pince-nez
and a moustache. He had the good fortune to be
politically mentored by Jacob Lindheimer, a German
Jew from Stuttgart, who became both Horner’s father
figure and political sponsor. (Ironically, Jacob’s sons,
Benjamin and Horace, would leave Governor Horner’s
political camp and align with the opposition during the
heated intra-party battles of the late 1930s.)
In 1915, with Lindheimer’s backing, Horner was
elected to the first of many terms on the Probate
Court. This was the perfect union of man and
occupation. Henry Horner was a micro-manager, a
workaholic with a sense of fairness, who drew
inspiration from Abraham Lincoln. Probate Court
represented a huge administrative undertaking that was
ideal for Horner’s talents, especially his honesty and
ability to track and organize assets. Horner became the
benefactor of many, following the Biblical injunction to
protect the widow and orphan....

.....The stronger second half is a highly informative and
fast-moving account of Horner’s selection as the
Democratic candidate for Governor, his primary and
general election campaigns in 1932 and 1936, and his
ensuing eight years as the state’s chief executive. ....

.....Throughout his career, many around him—
Democrat and Republican, Jew and non-Jew—thought
that Horner lacked “toughness.” Masters’ book
convincingly dispels this characterization and serves to
remind us not only that the first Jewish Governor of
Illinois was tough, but that he was a deeply principled
man, committed to practical common sense politics. In
the political climate of the 1920s and 1930s where
honesty was a liability, Henry Horner managed to
maintain his political integrity even when he was
targeted for political sacrifice by the Kelly-Nash
Chicago Democratic Machine, abetted overtly and
covertly by the Roosevelt administration.
Governor Horner vetoed the “Bookie Bill.” This
was a plan pushed by Mayor Ed Kelly to produce
revenue for Chicago by regulating gambling on
horseracing, already a widely recognized “industry” in
local taverns. After the veto, Kelly was reported to have
said to Cook County Democratic Party chief Pat Nash,
“We’re going to take that [expletive] out of the mansion.
We’re going to drop him down the chute, and there’s
nothing he can do about it.” This sets the stage for a
most exciting narrative—as Horner becomes an
individual who brazenly fights the Machine and the
President in order to do right for the people of Illinois.
Despite his prominent position in the annals of
Chicago Jewry, Horner is a largely forgotten figure in
the history of Illinois and the United States.....

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Gus Alex is Jake Guzik's heir apparent:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=142083&relPageId=33

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/22031561/
October 6, 1955
DARK PICTURE Jake Guzik Paints Self. As a Knight Chicago Tribune Service C H I C A G O . Oct. 6. -- Jake (Greasy Thumb 1 Guzik, 71, vet. eran syndicate hoodlum, tried hard during a legal action yesterday to portray himself as a white knight battling the forces of evil. The picture got smudged. The Capone era gang lord made the attempt during two hours of questioning for a deposition in connection with his complicated court fight against Benjamin F. Lindheimer, executive director of Arlington Park Race Track. Months aeo, Guzik filed suit to compel Lindhe-imer to permit him to examine the track's books on g r o u n d s he is a stockholder. Earlier yesterday the hoodlum asked Superior Court Judge Donald S. McKinlay to dismiss the suit, but the judge refused.
Counter Claim by Track
The deposition was taken by John B. Martineau. attorney for the i race track, to support a counter' claim filed in Superior Court yes-! terday alleging that Guzik, be- j cause of his past record, is not qualified to own stock in the track.......

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=otto+kerner+cermak

As Rod Blagojevich's reign of terror is hopefully coming to an end, we thought we would take a look at the man who started this disturbing trend of Illinois Governors taking the perp walk, Otto Kerner, Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Kerner,_Jr.
Kerner was the son of Otto Kerner, Sr., a Cook County Circuit Court judge who became Illinois Attorney General in 1932 and saved Illinois from three-two beer hell by clarifying liquor sales law after prohibition. Following in his father's footsteps, Kerner himself went on to receive a law degree and became a United States Attorney and a Cook County judge, and also married Helena Cermak, daughter of Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak, shortly after the mayor was assassinated. In 1960, Kerner ran for Illinois Governor and defeated incumbent William "Billy the Kid" Stratton (sidebar: Stratton was acquitted of charges of tax evasion in 1965), and went on to serve two terms where he most notably chaired the Kerner Commission in 1967 that took a hard look at the racial unrest and riots going on at the time. Kerner declined to run for a third term, and instead became a United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit judge.
In 1969, the manager of the Arlington Park and Washington Park racetracks Marge Lindheimer Everett claimed that she bribed Kerner with racetrack stock while he was in office in order to get expressway exits off IL-53 to Arlington Park, as well as to be granted more favorable race dates. The scheme came to light when Everett deducted the value of the stock on her tax return, thinking what she did was not a bribe but just the way things got done in Illinois. Kerner was prosecuted in 1973 -- interestingly enough by future governor James Thompson, who defended former Gov. George Ryan at his trial -- and was convicted on 17 counts including bribery and perjury, and started a legacy that includes Dan Walker, Ryan, and -- most likely -- Blago.

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an excerpt from:
Interference
Dan E. Moldea�1989
William Morrow and Company, Inc.
......
Ben Lindheimer bought the Los Angeles franchise and called it the Los Angeles
Dons, named after his partner, actor Don Ameche. Lindheimer was the overlord
of Chicago's racetracks. He was closely associated with the Chicago
underworld. His personal attorney was Sidney Korshak, a young mouthpiece for
the old Capone mob, who had also been hired by Ray Ryan to handle labor negoti
ations for RKO before the deal with Hughes collapsed.

Through political favors and payoffs, Lindheimer was principally responsible
for the creation of the Illinois Racing Commission and was appointed as the
chairman of the Illinois Commerce Commission. In an attempt to legalize the
state's three thousand bookmakers, Lindheimer later led the lobby to legalize
offtrack betting. He was supported by the state attorney general Otto
Kerner.[8] However, the governor vetoed the bill...

 

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Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years
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David Talbot - 2008 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
... November 27, 1963, NARA record number 179-40005-10028, declassified October 22, 1993. The report Draznin prepared on the mobbed-up Ruby, with his “wide syndicate contacts,” seems to blatantly contradict what he later told journalist ...

From NARA record number 179-40005-10028 :



Sid Korshak is instructed to contact Pat Hoy, General Dynamics V.P. to contact the Hilton and instruct employees there not to cooperate with the investigation.:


From NARA record number 179-40001-10068 :


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Kup's Chicago‎ - Page 53
by Irv Kupcinet - Chicago (Ill.) - 1962 - 286 pages
"But I'm a hotelman," Hoy protested. "I know nothing about mixing concrete." "Maybe not," said Crown. "But without being a cook you've done an excellent job of running the Pump Room." Yielding to Crown's persuasion, Hoy began a new career at the age of.....

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Guest_Tom Scully_*  Posted 06 December 2011 - 11:31 PM
One common trait of both LCN and Richard Cain was ambitious compulsion to over reach. Did the Chicago outfit obtain and defend the TFX contract award, and did they get inside the WC through Earl Warren, Tom Clark, Howard Willens, Albert Jenner, Jr., et al?

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Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Gus Alex
EXPENSES A D THAT HER JOB AS A CLERK AT THE CONRAD HILTON HOTEL IS ONLY A FRONT TO KEEP HER OCCUPIED DURING THE DAY ALEX ARMED AND DANGEROUS WITH SUICIDAL TENDENCIES .RECEIVED

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Record Number: 124-10204-10064
on 04/10/65 Gus Alex and his paramour, Suzanne Fueger, discussed a forthcoming vacation and the fact that the reservations had been made with "VIP Service" by PAT HOY for 4/30/65 or 5/1/65. The location of this vacation was not known. It is noted that HOY is head of Material Service Corporation, the largest supplier..... and a division of General Dynamics. Hoy is extremely socially and politically prominent in the Chicago area..

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=76289&relPageId=33
2/26/62 FBN at LA, Calif, made available information to the effect that at the current time,
Paul Ziffren was paying the rent on the apartment occupied by Linda Collings, the girl friend of Sam Giancana, of Chicago.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=76289&relPageId=29
...LA-T7 advised that as a result of his particular study, he came to the conclusion that three separate and well defined groups had been systematically investing millions of dollars into California real estate and that in each of the three groups concerned, there were men participating who were directly linked to organized crime, principally the remnants of the AL CAPONE organization. LA-T7 indicated that Ziffren appeared to be involved in each of the investment groups and appeared to be the directing force of each of these operations.

All right, I get it! Ruby was well connected, he knew a lot of people.

Here's the bezillion dollar question though: who was he actually working for?

He was from Chicago, and he came to Dallas from there and immediately started get into mobsy-type activity.... so.... was he working for Giancana?

Or, he was IN Dallas, and his 1961 ledger shows monthly cash payments of 500 dollars to... "someone"... and Campisi did come visit him in jail... so, was it Joseph Civello? (who represented Carlos Marcello at Appalachin)?

Or... Ruby seems to be connected into the whole Cuba thing, with the gun-running and even before that with the Casinos, which was Trafficante's bailywick... so maybe it was him?

Who was Jack Ruby's direct superior?

One telling piece is that Jack Ruby seems to have been somehow involved with counterfeit money. Part of the "destabilization of a foreign country" may involve the CIA flooding said country with counterfeit currency, at the same time it destroys the sugar crop and stuff like that. So - if Ruby was involved in counterfeit currency, the chances are VERY good he was ultimately doing it for the CIA. And not for the mob, and not for the private interests like a Hughes or Pawley or McWillie.

And, according to what we know of our CIA, they're perfectly happy to look the other way while you're bringing narcotics back from wherever it is you've dropped the money off. Same with the guns - guns in, narcotics out.

Who was Ruby's handler? Who was "running" him? If he was "highly paid" in the performance of his duties, someone had to tell him what those duties were. And, if the mob was even "one" of Ruby's bosses, you can be absolutely certain they knew all about the assassination and what was planned - meaning they also had the opportunity to offer some assistance.

I agree that this was a complex operation. The mere thought of marrying the money people with the ground operations crew is daunting, it would require a sophisticated operator with some previous field experience. Someone like a Lansdale could have pulled something like this off, given access to the raw material (people) - but I'm entirely doubtful Jack Ruby could have done it by himself.

The next person that starts talking about a "lone shooter", just say "oh, you're talking about Jack Ruby?"

... and watch some heads start exploding.

greg parker wrote:Brian,

Ruby was "seen" a day or two before the assassination giving a weapon to a "younger" man outside the TSBD.

He was "seen" the morning of the assassination taking a weapon from a truck in Dealey Plaza.

He was "seen" as early as 9:30 am on the Sunday outside City Hall by newsman.

After the assassination, people recalled "seeing" Ruby in NYC, Mexico, California,  Nevada and other places - with some of those sightings going back months, some years.

To compound the situation, there was a unionist in New York named Jack Rubinstein - and some who insisted Ruby was communist were undoubtedly getting him confused with the NY Jack. 

There needs to be some way of evaluating the sightings you are looking at, as I am sure some will be mistaken.

Well, the telephone record shows the calls to and from the Carousel, and to and from the Vegas. My read so far is that the Vegas Club was closed on 11/22 pm. (Otherwise we probably would have heard Karen Carlin asking to work there that night, yes?).

I'm thinking... Eva made the call. She had the key, right? She was the "only" one with the key to the Vegas, wasn't she?

So, isn't this somewhat oddball behavior? She leaves her apartment, where Jack has just brought her food a while earlier, and she goes out (on her own?) to the Vegas Club - where she makes a phone call to her brother. Hm.

Why couldn't she have made the call from her apartment?

Here's another thing I find interesting - all through Jack Ruby's phone records - no lawyers. That's odd, it's unusual for someone working so closely with the mob. Usually there's a lawyer in the mix somewhere (somewhere "close").

So... maybe... in this case... the lawyers were a little farther away?

In Chicago, maybe even?

Stan Dane wrote:

nonsqtr wrote:Hi Stan - this is a good one! I had a good laugh about this one on the way to the market. Y'know... contemplating the likelihood that someone like Sam would run down to Dallas and get himself personally involved in something like this... is somehow humorous.

Outlandishly humorous, y'know.

Although....

"Boasting that he was the mastermind of a Mob/CIA plot to kill President Kennedy, Chicago godfather Sam Giancana told relatives he was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963 to supervise that plot."