The Hobbits Strike Back!! The Revenge of Jimbo Baggins

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After spending the best part of the year cruising Middle Earth's swingingest hotspots, breaking many a lady Hobbit's heart( and a lot of wind too...Cousin Jemima will persist in adding extra cabbage and roughage to her famous homemade goulash), and if the undercover operatives of the Shire's controversial  fundamentalist anti elf Family Values cooperative society Keep Our Kountry Klean, or K.O.K.K, as it's better known, amongst the radical " Hobbit's Only" underground, are to be believed, our goateed chum spent a lot of his time with his big furry Hobbity arse warming the waiting room chairs and consulting couches of the Shire's leading venereal disease specialists....after that unfortunate encounter with a half orc prostitute , outside HARVEY'S Rest... An infamous strip club in Middle Earth's red light district...everyone's favourite hobbity huckster is back in town!!!

That's right!! Jimbo Baggins is back...

The greatest comeback since his great uncle Herb Baggins, Honshu's Horniest Hobbit crawled out of his smouldering hobbit hole, round the back end of Hiroshima Hill.. looking at the vapourised ruins of the city, he turned to his faithful apprentice, Randy Sandy O, " We'll move to Nagasaki!! I hear there's lotsa horny little hobbits there!!!"

They say change is the only true sign of life...as we change we grow, broadening our minds , and our horizons..

By learning from our mistakes we not only gain wisdom and insight, we also learn more about ourselves...

The Great British mystic/ poet/ engraver/ artist/ visionary William Blake once wrote,:" the road of excess leads to the Palace of Wisdom"

Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

Regardless of the statement's veracity i'd like to paraphrase it, adding a coda of my own...

" The road that leads to the Palace of Wisdom is paved with errors. It is the fool who refuses to see those errors for what they are"

Anyone can make mistakes, it's part of growing up, mistakes can often deepen our understanding of ourselves, and the world around us...

Ultimately you cannot learn simply by listening. You have to learn by experience, learn by making your own mistakes...

If madness is repeating the same action over and over, expecting a different outcome, then surely the true meaning of folly is to make the same mistake over and over again without learning from it...

Jimbo Baggins is back...with his mouth wide open and his mind slammed tight... impervious to reason.

He obviously doesn't give a fuck about the assassination. He may as well be on QVC or some ghastly low budget shopping channel, trying to flog dodgy vacuum cleaners to the oxycontin deadened housewifes ( and househusbands) of middle Earth ( and middle America)

He has no shame, no respect for the subject, his fellow members and lurkers, but most of all he has absolutely no respect for himself..

What he is doing is an absolute disgrace. 

It's just the same old shite...the vaguely aggressive hucksterism spiced up with paeans to paranoid populism...attempting to exploit the incipient anti government mindset that predominates.

No attempt to answer the questions asked by Jeremy, RC-D and others... it's just the same old spiel....Bolton Ford..

I've become completely disillusioned with the whole subject. 99% of so called " assassination research" is a complete fucking joke..

The vast majority of the " leading researchers" are an embarrassment. Their " research" is amateurish, at best.

I'm afraid we're all just chasing shadows, chasing ghosts across a deserted battlefield... unable to accept that the war was lost decades ago...

I can hardly bring myself to read anymore of the garbage they churn out..

I don't think I'm overexaggarating, or being needlessly melodramatic, but what he's attempting to do, in my opinion, is nothing short of scandalous...

Any genuine researcher welcomes sincere criticism, as it enables them to refine their hypothesis/ theory.. 

This crowd on the other hand simply ignore any criticism, attempting to brass neck or bullshit their way out...

Over 20 years have passed...has the " theory" been refined? The central premise developed? Have new witnesses stepped forward? Claiming to have met HARVEY or LEE?

Where did LEE and mysterious Marge go post assassination?

Absolutely no new work has been done....apart from Armstrongs increasingly surrealistic essays.... the " two Stephens" work made Dali, Bunuel and Man Ray look like pinstripe suit wearing accountants..



And La Chien Andalus the latest installment of Disney's Frozen saga...

IMHO Jimbo Baggins is nothing more than a con artist. He doesn't give a fuck about the assassination, or history....for whatever reason he seems determined to reel as many suckers in as he can...

What they attempted to do to the magic tooth photo, not to mention the Frankenstein Oswald photo and the Bronx Zoo HARVEY schnozzle was utterly despicable.

It's not the theory that angers me. I'm pretty certain LHO WAS indeed impersonated, albeit on a strictly ad hoc basis..

It's the sheer dishonesty, hypocrisy and blatant lack of respect, not to mention the derisory " evidence" that's been continuously vomited up...
Baggins and his erstwhile guru, for whatever reason, are playing the so called research community for suckers...

They're fucking hucksters of the lowest order....anyone who attempts to profit from a tragedy like the assassination can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned..

Fuck Jimbo Baggins and his cheapjack hustlers shtick...he's a disgrace and an embarrassment...

As I have stated many times before, and you, just as Brian Doyle can’t get your facts straight.
I located (who would later become) Prayer-Person for Sean Murphy way back in July 2007 in a Wiegman frame. Robin Unger found that person in Darnell some years later.
The Wiegman enlargement was created by Duncan McCrae.
My Wiegman enhancement and statement that it “looked like a woman to me” was from a similar but different frame.

Enlargement/enhancement.

Exploding granulations. 

Weasel words.  Forget what your exploding granulations "look like". Do you actually believe it is a female? 

What does this look like, Chris? 



People who hide behind weasel words, fallacious number crunching and other crypto forum currency  do need to be called out. 

Do you think you could handle posting something that contains none of that? 

It's a hummingbird, btw. 

And the misnamed Prayer Man is a male. Misnamed because he is definitely not in a praying position. That misconception was just another form of pareidolia. Like your "it looks like a woman" claim. FWIW, it looked like a grotesque parody of the female form, as a woman might encounter looking at herself in the side show hall of mirrors. That's some "enhancing".

The method(yes enhancement) was no different than pulling this guy out of the shadows behind the glass. Is he an example of pareidolia? So sue me for trying to enhance/identify a person within deep shadows from a less than desirable Wiegman frame.

Btw, did you ever clear these two individuals as not being the “Oswald in the corner person”.

Good luck trying to convince a jury on that one. Are you going to use the clothing argument?

“And the misnamed Prayer Man is a male.”

Is it Oswald or not?

Weasel words!!!   Give me a break.

Sure I can post non-number info. But, since you’re under the impression that the number crunching (fallacious) has no bearing on the case, why would I expect you to understand(see gif) that either.

I guess I suffered more pareidolia because I thought your hummingbird was an angel on “Wings and a Prayer” or maybe a UFO. Not

Here’s a suggestion. First find a hummingbird in the shadows of a tree,bush etc and then we can move forward.

Does it look like a woman in Wiegman(see gif)? Yes
Does it look like a woman in Darnell? No

Is that succinct enough for you?

No fucking way was that a hummingbird man!!!

It was a Jewish bumblebee, going round the poor maligned goyim flowers...sucking out the pollen grains ( and dollar bills) as reparations for the Holohoax...no wait it was the infamous Mothman of Sanibel( America's #1 indecent exposin' supernatural entity)...you can see him getting ready to " do his thing".. 

You brainwashed sheeple are just like wilfully blind , man!! Look at the " wings"..see how " blurry" they are...if you lot would open up your minds baby!! Stop believing the propaganda the ZOG controlled media churns out ..

Send $1000( cash or cheques only ..payable to the Dr Obuku Millegan Charitable Foundation c/o L' Ecole L'Huile de Serpent Gabarone Botswana) and receive your Miracle X Ray Goggles...as used by Spiderman, Jack White and Ted Bundy..see the alterations the CIA Illuminati Freemason Deep State stooges /technical wizards performed...see " the hummingbird's" purple Purim robes flappin'...or if you have a strong constitution and you are partial to a bit of anti semitic interdimensional detrousering gaze in awe upon the Mothman's magical uncircumcised member...

See the Secret Service man airwanking the invisible 8 foot rabbit who just popped out his hole in the middle of Elm Street.." Eh what's up Doc? Anyone seen a puny Hungarian bunny with sloping ears?"

Seriously Chris, for the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could think  " Prayerman" looks like a woman...

This isn't some Badgeman or Blackdog man Rorschach test...it's a clearly defined male figure..his receding hairline is clearly visible..Oswald or not it seems pretty obvious he's a youngish male with a dark receding hairline dressed casually for manual labour...

Someone ( and I don't for an instant think it was you) IMHO has clearly been fucking around with your enhancement.. conversely their enhancements" HAVE so degraded the image it has been transformed into a Rorschach test, of sorts...

One of the things that really bothers me is the fussy minded obsession with faux platitudes..a bunch of musty clunged spinsters clucking and clacking .. anyone who wants to spread a whole load of preposterous lies are made welcome... what's that? You want to aggressively pimp your cultlike theory? Come on down!! But remember to wipe your shoes..or how about peddling a load of nonsensical " photo analysis"? No problemo!! 

Mozart's reincarnation? Bob Dylan is writing songs addressed to you because he wants to vampirise the magic flute? Hey that's just fantastic, fancy giving a presentation about it? Anyone who wants to spread the most ridiculous falsehoods , any hustler who wants to trawl for perspective marks...no problemo at all!! But woe betide anyone who has the temerity to call a spade a spade and not a gardening implement

Was Paul Trejo polite? Lord Gordo's obsession with outward appearances is the equivalent of someone continually repainting their rusty old car, it may look attractive but it's still a heap of fucking junk..



I think characters who attempt to exploit and/or profit from a major historical tragedy deserve nothing but contempt.. Characters who try to bamboozle newbies with reams of deceptive derp...
Without doubt Jim DiE is the dominant voice over there, his tepid " agnosticism" allows Baggins and co free reign to swamp the place with their preposterous trash...

I think the self destructive Titanic like mania for order and primness ..in this case the empty chattering voices and the dulcet warblings of the magic flute help to drown out the crashing waves of indifference....  is the equivalent of intellectual suicide....as research slips ever deeper into the vortex...not I hasten to add the vortex Mahler smuggled into America hidden under his skiddy y fronts...but the twilit vortex , a swirling hellhole of hate, extremism and far out troofer crankery..

Satire is one of the most effective means...the individuals we satirise here: the Hargroves/ Larsens/ Liftons/ Juddufkis/ Millegans and co have made themselves into valid targets.. what they do  is absolutely reprehensible..

Don Jeffries too was unfailingly polite...but he is also a dangerous buffoon... the archetypal useful idiot spreading the contagion of hatred and intolerance..

This forum provides a valuable, no, an essential service..and we do it with a nod and a smile..if we can get the genuinely open minded lurkers, who are maybe just dipping their toes into this case, to laugh at a bit of light hearted badinage , they may just see those characters for the preposterous fools/ charlatans they are..

There's a wealth of real cutting edge material here , serious potentially paradigm shifting research...it's the juxtaposition that makes this forum absolutely unique.

The rest of our friends can continue lolling about on their nice comfy deckchairs... listening to Mozart's reincarnation tootle " Closer My God To Thee" on her magic flute, while the resident image analysts can ooh and aah in wonder at the splendiferous sights... " I say First Mate Baggins is that the sunlight reflecting off the top of a giant iceberg or is it a choir of celestial doppelgangers coming fluttering across the grey ocean to serenade us on our way from Budapest to New York?....no of course not!! How silly of me!! It's obviously a husky polar bear helping his puny Hungarian doppelbear into his US Marines uniform"

Laughter is what these characters fear most...pissants and cheapjack hustlers bloated with a false sense of self importance... I mean how fucking deluded must you be to think the CIA or whomever is going to dispatch a team of crack disinformation operatives to combat the combined menace of Fezzo, Professor Larsen and John fucking Butler???

Unless they've got secret intel regarding an imminent attack of 100 foot fez wearing centipedes wearing lead soled cowboy boots...

Jimbo Baggins has yet againpopped his puce goateed face out the door of his cosy little Hobbit hole... " Bolton Ford hasn't been debunked!!" he whines .. just hoping someone replies... giving him the opportunity to dump the same old regurgitated guff...a mixture of cherry picked semi demi truths and outright distortion..

Anyone who attempts to play ridiculous games with the evidence deserves nothing but contempt and ridicule...

How many words was that Mr Case??

Why not head over to your old friend Tommy's Facebook page? IMHO you just don't get what makes this forum so unique..Tommy's line in hateful non sequitur , bemoaning his own insufferable mediocrity by taking his frustrations out on others...now that's more up your street...

The method(yes enhancement) was no different than pulling this guy out of the shadows behind the glass. Is he an example of pareidolia? So sue me for trying to enhance/identify a person within deep shadows from a less than desirable Wiegman frame.

1. From our POV, he was not behind the glass. He was in front of it.

2. You seeing a female in your "enhancement" is an example of pareidolia, yes.  Enhancing any "less than desirable" frame will result in similar ability to "see" things.  That is the very reason we want the original. 

3. You are not being taken to task over the effort - as forlorn as it was always going to be - but for your insistence that your "enhancement" is somehow a valid step forward and that it "looks like a female". It looks like a fucking work of art done by Jack the Ripper or Dr. Frankenstein.

Btw, did you ever clear these two individuals as not being the “Oswald in the corner person”.

As funny as a hatful of arseholes, 

“And the misnamed Prayer Man is a male.”

Is it Oswald or not?

Weasel words!!!   Give me a break.

I am on record as believing it is Oswald to a high degree of certainty. 

But that has nothing to do with your weasel words. I made that statement because you refuse to commit to it being a female despite claiming your "enhancement" shows a female. In short, let's at least settle on the sex before we move on to a specific person. I say 100% it is a male.

Sure I can post non-number info. But, since you’re under the impression that the number crunching (fallacious) has no bearing on the case, why would I expect you to understand(see gif) that either.

Your number crunching to prove a limo stop was first done in Twyman's Bloody Treason (as far as I know). It was wrong then and is still wrong now. The limo never stopped, ergo, your number crunching is fallacious and has no bearing on anything except adding to the glut of misinfo.

 Here’s a suggestion. First find a hummingbird in the shadows of a tree,bush etc and then we can move forward.

And here is one for you. Find a way to get the films. Even the highly strung and excitable Brian gave it a shot.

Does it look like a woman in Wiegman(see gif)? Yes
Does it look like a woman in Darnell? No

Is that succinct enough for you?

LOL. I'd hate to see a line-up of your past dates.

Chris,

can you enlighten me with what your point is with this post below of the various pics? What's the meaning of it? I'm lost. I see a GIF which has some sort of art work added to it. Does that pretty much nail it?

Also if you're willing to share why don't you also post a detailed description and a short video of the process you applied here which enabled you to enhance the Weigman frame you've posted which seems to show a cartoonish looking woman's face appear. I'm sure the others will be just as interested mate.

Mick, maybe you could possibly confirm something I've been told, regarding the viability of these enhancements.

I was told that attempting to enlarge and enhance digital images of relatively antiquated film was , for all intents and purposes ,a complete waste of time.

First of all it's highly unlikely that the film Darnell/ Weigmann , or whomever, used,  wouldn't have been able to pick up such detail. 

Quite simply any " details" would be artifacts, JPEG compression artifacts or enhancements of flaws on the film stock..The only realistic chance is to have a competent analyst examine the original. I am correct or am I misremembering? 

To my layman's eyes it's blatantly obvious these so called enhancements are less than useless. Also its even more obvious that someone has tampered with the " woman's face"...it looks completely unnatural, like an out take from Das Wax Kabinett, or some equally stylised German Expressionist film..

Greg was absolutely spot on , with what he said upstream ...much as I respect Chris's ability and his motives , I think he's wasting his time. What's the point of dedicating your life to a theory no one understands? A theory that to my mind is based on a totally false premise...

As I said before , all appeals to incredulity aside , I'm genuinely bemused how anyone can look at that footage and think Prayerman looks like a woman..

Nevermind a woman's face...how anyone can seriously look at some of those ,ahem, " enhancements" and see a human being!!!

Oswald or not the figure is clearly male...with a noticeably receding hairline..

All the enhancement has achieved is to provide ammunition for those determined to deny the merest possibility that it's Oswald to run interference. 

Or to give them an easy(ish) way out..

Saying that if ,the likes of Palamara suddenly leapt aboard , providing his well manicured bulk didn't capsize the fucking vessel, proclaiming on Facebook.." IT'S OSWALD!!!..or some such other hysterically banal cliché, i'd really start worrying...his adolescent ego induced myopia has pretty much nullified anything he has to offer in the eyes of any responsible observer.... anyone, and I mean anyone who consorts with the likes of Baker and Trine Day automatically forfeits any sort of credibility..

Can you imagine Palamara's bloated visage( reminiscent of some overfed chipmunk or some chronically constipated momma's boy desperately trying to squeeze one out to make room for his 2nd industrial sized bucket of fried chicken) turning up on some reasonably popular podcast? Babbling about the Hosty notes etc... Anyone who is interested in pursuing the Prayerman evidence would be inadvertently linked with a fucking oik with absolutely zero integrity...

Watching him agree with our chum from Sanibel,  whose idea of " cutting edge science" is scribbling all over a blurry pixelated mess...

And whose notion of " research ethics" is squealing repetitious abusive non sequiturs on his Facebook page, is funny, albeit in a depressingly predictable way. 

Hey Brian, it's been nearly a year any word back from the cutting edge photo analysts??? Once again you're showing your real class, a joke is a joke, but as well as your constant references to British bastards ( replace the British with Jewish or African American ,and then they don't scan  quite as well, do they? ,but also they provide an illuminating insight to this character's true mindset) your endorsement of the most horrendous anti semitic holocaust deniers tropes I see you've taken to calling people who have the temerity to disagree with you " retarded", or " retardy" to be precise.. Like your ideological confreres Don Jeffries, Cory Hughes etc beneath the cigarette paper thin( organic hemp of course) veneer of troofseekery you are just a great big bloated self obsessed lump of ignorance and intolerance... enamoured with the sanctity of your own lily white stupidity..Far from bullying you I genuinely felt some sort of ( misguided) empathy with you and tried to talk you out of your self delusional trance. You will never learn, you don't want to learn, for the moment you acknowledge a world exists outwith the weird little cocoon you've created for yourself, a self contained, self absorbed Brian centric galaxy, then your cherished self perceptions crumble away to nothing...you'll be just another grain of sand, one who lacks the wit to realise that his very insignificance is in fact his greatest strength..

Instead you're just another fucking loud mouth who lacks both the sense and the maturity to understand other people's opinions are every bit as valid as yours... You've absolutely no real notion of what it is you're meant to be researching... you just get the opportunity to indulge your narcissistic fantasies... credible moderation, highly skilled researcher etc etc..it's all bullshit..you've been banned every where for being an ill mannered rude little pest .. Characters like you always have excuses..but but but if it wasn't for James Gordon..it's part of the narcissist's fantasy...it's never your fault...you're the blameless paragon..the poor victimised genius cruelly punished by the vindictive hordes of troll punks and booby moderators....of course as soon as you got the chance you were wandering around your FB page,dodging the tumbleweeds and rabid dogs " moderating" and deleting posts like a Pravda censor...

The incomparable Robbie Burns wrote about seeing ourselves as others see us....like Jeffries you probably look in the mirror and see a brave and fearless contrarian, a researcher whose ready to defy ( insert faceless supranational entity here..oh yes and the je eh Zionists) the rest of us see a ridiculous old crank who seems absolutely impervious to the terrible impression he makes..

Anyone who hoists that abomination like it's some kind of battle flag, carrying the Bride of Chucky meets  " Sunset over Hiroshima", Jackson Pollock's long lost " masterpiece", like it's the fucking Christ of Lepanto, or the Gonfalon of Santiago, have obviously got some ulterior agenda.. it's just a stupid childish scribble,  over a horrendously distorted pixelated mess..

Either it provides them with an accessible off the shelf excuse to maintain the Anyone but Oswald" charade ....or it's a fig leaf that allows them to maintain their self delusion (and their pathological hatred of this forum)  feeding their childish fantasy of being the one who solved this case ..

To me it's the ultimate no brainer...Seperating those who are genuinely interested in solving the case , attempting to undo a truly monumental miscarriage of justice, from those who are just here for a spot of mental masturbation... giggling at the Roscoe White shaped splatters their foul seed makes on the Moorman photo...

Or trying desperately to shoehorn the assassination into whatever jaundiced paranoiac fanciful or just downright hateful worldview they happen to espouse...

Chris, you're obviously a smart guy, speaking as someone who can barely make it through the first chapter Count Von Cunt goes Counting, The Sesame Street themed pop up/ colouring book Larry Flynt included as a free pullout with Oct 73s Hustler, I honestly don't understand what you hope to achieve... I'm not trying to be funny or insulting, I just find it baffling, endless gifs and dense impenetrable streams of mathematical equations??

It just seems like a colossal waste of time, and ability. How can you hope to convince people with an argument that's virtually incomprehensible?

To me it's pretty clear the limo slowed down quite considerably, I've been reading up on eye witness testimony: nonexperts in highly stressful situations and/ or unfamiliar circumstances are notoriously unreliable..

Also there's the matter of perception ...take Bill and Gayle Newman, one second they're smiling and waving, the next they hear gunfire..a blur of panic and adrenaline...their first thought is about their kids.. they've just witnessed the president getting his brains blown out ..a matter of a few short feet away...

In their panicked disassociative state they may well have perceived the noticeable slowing down as an outright stop...

As regards the Prayerman footage...

If it turns out not to be Oswald, so what? There's nothing to loose that hasn't already been lost...decades ago...

This is a highly visual society, with infinitesimally small attention spans....YouTube clips rattling around like peanut M and Ms in ritalin crazed minds... the footage, the accused assassin hovering in the shadows as the limo swung past,is full of pathos, a tragic foreshadowing of the  haunted decades ahead...but more than that it's incontrovertible proof, once and for all, that Oswald was indeed innocent..

Once the footage makes a breach in the walls; of apathy, indifference or denial, and the battlements have been toppled , the rows of broken spikes glittering in the rosy glow, the sun rising to greet the dawn of a brand new day, the once sharp fangs about as impotent now as Ralph Cinque ,during the Great Buda Viagra famine of '09, and about as useless as Buda's only Bok Chou themed brothel, during the same famine....then  it's time to send in the infantry...the carefully accumulated exculpatory evidence...real actionable evidence...not dependent on willo the wisp daydreams of faked films and hordes of voracious doppelgangers swarming through the Plaza...

Greg, You can’t even get BW Frazier to admit it was Oswald. Whether it was or not. You see the problem?

Quote “Find a way to get the films”
I’ve acquired many films. But, if someone was thinking “outside the box”, they would have accomplished this long ago, under the radar, before the person in the shadows became such a highly public topic of conversation. In other words, many were too short-sighted. Wasn’t my interest.

Explained before, I had no interest in that person except to help Sean with his project in 2007
I believe it was years (Bill Kelley’s thread EF forum) later before I posted any enhancements of it.

Robin discovered/supplied the better quality Darnell frames.
Using the Darnell image, yes, that person looks more like one of the two men that I pointed out in the previous (montage) posting.

I made comments that my Wiegman enhancements made it look like a woman to me. BFD
Get over it.

As for number crunching, I’ll leave another example for your forum, but as usual, I don’t expect much “outside the box” thinking.


Mick,
It’s disappointing that no experts realized an example of Optical Printing from 1953.
That’s a full ten f—king years before the assassination of JFK.

Quote “Some sort of artwork added”
It’s no different than what I provided in some of the previous gifs from the Z funny film.

The process for the “seems to show a cartoonish looking woman's face.”
You believe that enhancement looks more like a woman than a man. Why? Should I hold you to that?

Try using the shadow/highlight tool along with curves and the history brush in Photoshop and I’m sure you can replicate what was provided. I’ve previously posted the actual photoshop settings for some of the enhancements, and in this particular instance, believe I used the history brush too. But, since it was many years ago when I posted it to Greg Burnham’s forum at least according to the last saved version, I don’t remember the exact settings.

Alex,
 Quote”much as I respect Chris's ability and his motives , I think he's wasting his time. What's the point of dedicating your life to a theory no one understands? A theory that to my mind is based on a totally false premise…”

This isn’t rocket science.
The false premise is that the film was not altered.
Car travels at 5.5mph, twice as many frames created as opposed to 11mph.
Remove alternating frames and the car is now traveling at the faster speed again.
THERE ARE NO OTHER FILMS WHERE FOOTAGE OVERLAPS THE Z FILM AT EITHER OF THE TWO SPLICES.
One of those splices is at extant z157(See graphic)
JFK’s head was used as the plotting marker for all measurements.
It’s quite easy to plot when you possess the necessary items and stationary objects on the plat.
Extant Z166 is very helpful for this using the background signal lightpost.
It also exposes the alteration both on paper(CE884’s) and film.
A big hint is:
Extant z166 was plotted correctly according to the WC path, while the limo is traveling at the rate we see it on the extant film, what is the true physical station# of extant z161? It’s not .9ft prior to extant z166.
Once you understand this dilemma for the WC, it no longer becomes a false premise, only a matter of figuring out why they did what they did.
And that my friends is quite easy.
The math is just me figuring out what the WC used to pull the wool over many zfilm enthusiasts eyes.
They rinse and repeated the same concept at the extant z207 splice, as Greer had the same slowing vehicle reaction to a shot near that splice too.
Shots too close together at circa z207 and z218 for one shooter.
Remove the slowdown and necessary reaction/s at circa z207.
It’s as basic as it gets.
No use in delving into it any further.
Keep in mind, is Kinney referring to a first shot circa z160 or the first of two around extant z313?

Alex wrote:


Mick, maybe you could possibly confirm something I've been told, regarding the viability of these enhancements.

I was told that attempting to enlarge and enhance digital images of relatively antiquated film was , for all intents and purposes ,a complete waste of time.

First of all it's highly unlikely that the film Darnell/ Weigmann , or whomever, used,  wouldn't have been able to pick up such detail. 

Quite simply any " details" would be artifacts, JPEG compression artifacts or enhancements of flaws on the film stock..The only realistic chance is to have a competent analyst examine the original. I am correct or am I misremembering? 


You're not far wrong mate - in layman's terms we need the original version or first gen copy to really get a grasp of what sort of detail is in those frames. 


We can improve the perceived sharpness ever so slightly in the frames we have from the online sources but that's about it. You won't get more detail from them by "enhancing" anything from these versions of those frames -Period! (IMO)


The copies we are looking at including the Chris copy of the Weigman GIF he's worked on are clearly sub optimal copies of copies which have been transferred multiple times, compressed and then posted online which also adds another layer of deterioration. 
This work which Chris and others perform cannot be considered an enhancement rather it's actually a degradation of the frame even further. That's really important we understand that when dealing with these really low resolution degraded copies of these films.


I have always stated should we gain access to the original in camera 16mm reversal B/W footage of Jimmy Darnells news film of the front stepos of the TSBD we would be able to ID the figure stood  a top of the stairs to Frazier's right hand side. I am confident of this. 


I worked with this sort of film way back and the enormous amount of detail which would be evident in the original would surprise most everyone here. For the fleeting moment when Darnell's camera stops panning to the right and snaps those front steps there is no motion blur and the frame is sharp and in focus. 


So you are right to assume that what we are dealing with online is sub optimal copies of copies with no clear evidence of their provenance and almost impossible to use in any meaningful way. All we are doing at the minute with what's available online is increasing and magnifying the existing flaws within the photo's or frames when we do any sort of enhancing.


The original film in my humble opinion would settle this in a heart beat.

First line of your post.
Just wow indeed.
Apart from Rainman, who the fuck agrees with you?
Can you prove LHO was elsewhere? Do you have another Gif tucked up your arse?
I really wanted to stay quiet on this but fuck you! Write a book for Trine Day...make a few bucks.

Chris wrote:

Mick,
It’s disappointing that no experts realized an example of Optical Printing from 1953.
That’s a full ten f—king years before the assassination of JFK.

Quote “Some sort of artwork added”
It’s no different than what I provided in some of the previous gifs from the Z funny film.

The process for the “seems to show a cartoonish looking woman's face.”
You believe that enhancement looks more like a woman than a man. Why? Should I hold you to that?

Try using the shadow/highlight tool along with curves and the history brush in Photoshop and I’m sure you can replicate what was provided. I’ve previously posted the actual photoshop settings for some of the enhancements, and in this particular instance, believe I used the history brush too. But, since it was many years ago when I posted it to Greg Burnham’s forum at least according to the last saved version, I don’t remember the exact settings.


Chris, you disappoint me enormously - here I was awaiting baited breath on how you achieved that GIF enhancement. And all you've given me is donuts. You can't imagine how disappointed I am. Really? Photoshop? - the shadow/highlight tool along with the curve - is that it? 
Geez I wonder why I don't end up with the same result as yours when I do the same work on that frame.


It's artwork Chris and you know that don't you? Not artifacts, not mysterious flaws in the film but simple artwork. Enhancement work on an online degraded compressed frame which we have no idea of its origins. That works for you does it? That's compelling is it? You know we can't enhance what's not there in the first place don't you Chris?


Yes I see what could be a woman's face in your ridiculous attempt to show us your enhancement skills, so what? It's not real and  it's not a part of the image my friend and don't try and fool anyone with this silly stuff. 


What about Optical printing? what's your point?

Mick, you must understand.....
When LHO said he went outside to watch the P parade, that means Kennedy's head bobbed .9 of an inch. When Campbell spotted him inside, that means the street signs did stuff. Wait for the book... and hope it's a pop up.

steely_dan wrote:Mick, you must understand.....
When LHO  said he went outside to watch the P parade, that means Kennedy's head bobbed .9 of an inch. When Campbell spotted him inside, that means the street signs did stuff. Wait for the book... and hope it's a pop up.

God help us all!

I was never good at maths so I might pass on Chris's theory - wasted on me.

Greg, You can’t even get BW Frazier to admit it was Oswald. Whether it was or not. You see the problem?

I've never tried.

Put him on a stand under oath, with perjury charges possible and with me asking the questions, and see how he goes.

He has lied in his book. Let's see him do it when it might come back and bite him on the arse. 

Quote “Find a way to get the films”
I’ve acquired many films. But, if someone was thinking “outside the box”, they would have accomplished this long ago, under the radar, before the person in the shadows became such a highly public topic of conversation. In other words, many were too short-sighted. Wasn’t my interest.

Picking films up from the local processer doesn't count. 

So are you saying we have failed because it IS Oswald and they can't let that be known? Interesting. Thanks. 

As for when the attempts started - it was not until Mick and Bart gave their professional opinions about needing the original films that the efforts began. By then, the info was all out there. Why didn't YOU advise Sean of that need since you keep insisting you were trying to help him?

I made comments that my Wiegman enhancements made it look like a woman to me. BFD
Get over it.

The big  fucking deal is not that you said it looks like a woman - as some of us have said - it does - in a cartoonish/distorted manner. The big fucking deal is your insistence on claiming your works are "enhancements"  when in fact, they are the opposite of that,

As for number crunching, I’ll leave another example for your forum, but as usual, I don’t expect much “outside the box” thinking.

Thinking outside the box has to remain in the realms of what is possible. However, your number crunching does win you the Golden Sanibel Toasty Award for Numeracy 

  

We have our model Lola - Ms Sanibel 1963 - here ready to give you your Golden STAN.  Lola wears wigs for professional reasons and in her spare time, likes to dance and drink Cherry Cola. Lola is single.

There is only one viable candidate for PM. Everybody else has been ruled out.

Thanks Mick, the much vaunted so called " woman's face" has always looked unreal and cartoonish to me. Not only that it seems completely disproportionate ,as regards the rest of the body. As you rightly say it's artwork rather than any sort of legitimate " enhancement"

Chris, I was under the impression you were basing some( all?) of your calculations on the subsequent Secret Service re enactment..

No matter how meticulously accurate a reenactment, by its very nature, it can never hope to fully replicate the original, thus your own measurements, equations etc will likewise never be totally accurate. 

Hence your whole experiment, project, call it what you will, is based on a false premise..

I don't want to get into another back and forth with our Anglophile genius chum from Sanibel,  trying to permeate the exotically scented fug of delusion he exists in may very well be the true definition of futility...

I may as well attempt to discuss the wider strategic implications of the Duke of Marlborough's campaign during the War of the Spanish Succession with the spider I watched scuttling across the veranda this morning...

Or attempt to hold a learned symposium on the socio linguistic influences of contemporary Italian dramatists on Shakespeare's later works on Tommy fucking Grave's Facebook page..inviting those intellectual titans Larrytrotter and Professor Larsen...

But of course it's partly my fault, I forgot down Sanibel way congenital dishonesty and self delusion are considered vital attributes in the armoury of any self respecting highly skilled researcher..

And like our sometime friend Mr Case, Brian struggles with words of more than one syllable, historical references that don't involve magical pixies and flying doppelgangers and " arguments" that aspire to something a tad more sophisticated  than brain-dead repetitious rants.

Brian, it's a complete waste of time trying to communicate with you. Ok, I confess I could have framed my question a little better, but after excoriating me ,and others, for being trolls, boobies, liars, noodinicks etc, for not having the wit, nor indeed the foresight to realise that any cutting edge photo analyst who examines the enhancement would confirm the " woman's face"...was it really all that unreasonable to ask, almost a year later, if you had contacted any cutting edge photo analysts?

Even by your standards the amount of misrepresentations, distortions and out and out falsehoods you managed to cram in to your last..eh, message, was quite frankly  appalling..

It was almost as if you were trying to underline everything I wrote, not only underline it but hire a giant oompah band full of massive pot bellied red faced flatulent Prussians in tight fitting liederhosen to bang out a tune..." The Grand Old Duke of Sanibel had one and a half men...one can barely count up to ten, while the other can't fucking spell"..Or how about that stirring old marching song? It always gets the blood pumping? " Lili Marlene? She wasn't standing under a lamp...she was loitering in the a Dallas doorway wiggling her arse that was the size of a Panzer Tank...Maybe hire a Messerschmitt 109 to soar through the balmy Sanibel sky trailing a huge sign behind it  ,  announcing to the world that you are incapable of being any way rational...as if to emphasize the sheer bankruptcy of your " argument"

I don't understand your obsession with James Gordon...you made your argument, at great length, on the Ed forum and Deep Arseholes and Stinky Mac's Funhouse...and Amazon, and here for that matter...in fact it was your absolute inability to back up your argument with anything more than hot air and abusive waffle that got you banned ..

Look at your attempt to respond, chock full of blatant falsehoods...Greg admitting to you Prayerman is Stanton, Greg tolerating Barto, Chris and Jim DiE lying to spite you...that's the second time you've lied about me...first you totally misrepresented a sarcastic remark and then you equate some whiny dullard as " moderator issues" Nevermind the endless self aggrandising rants and the reams of deceptive bullshit ( have you been taking lessons from your goateed huckster chum perchance?) Go  and find a fucking photo analyst, invest some of your seemingly bountiful spare time doing something a little bit more constructive than chugging bongs, fantasising about what you'd like to do if you ever managed to get a certain raven haired psychedelic chanteuse down into the foul malodorous depths of mommies basement....what about actually learning something? There's a novel concept!! Learn a little about history, and the subjects you are meant to be " researching" then perhaps you wouldn't have to resort to endless meaningless rants, and maybe, just maybe you wouldn't be quite so gullible...

You could start by learning something about photography and film, our own Mick Purdy, i'm sure, being the consummate professional, and gentleman, wouldn't mind overlooking your inchoate foul mouthed ramblings, if you asked him politely I'm sure he'd be delighted to explain the basics. You're right Brian, when it comes to films and photos I amnta much of a researcher, to be honest I find the subject boring and unproductive, untrained amateurs arguing interminably over blurry pixelated highly degraded internet reproductions...claiming to " see" all sorts of marvels, lurking amidst the pixels and the JPEG compression artifacts...but I flatter myself that I have enough intelligence to ask acknowledged experts, like Mick, a highly experienced, highly skilled cameraman/ producer who spent his entire working life dealing with such matters...

Read his latest post on this very thread. Not only does he explain it brilliantly, but his explanation is simple enough for novices like you and I to understand...

The " woman's face" is a complete joke, Macrae even admitted it. And as for your doodle... come on Brian, for Armstrongs sake, hearing you babble on about " cutting edge science" when your sole contribution has been those childish scribbles is almost as ironic as reading you pontificate about " research ethics" and " credible moderation"...

Oh you champion of free speech and you credible moderator you!!!! What happened to John Iac's posts? And Barto's? And Greg's? And Andrej's and not forgetting the inimitable Travers Ts??? Don't tell me, let me guess ....the t were trolls and boobies afraid to answer the correct evidence...

I'm not wasting any more of my time .it's utterly pointless trying to have a reasoned argument with you...you just call everyone liars or trolls, hurl some statutory abuse at James Gordon, then soar off into the fantasy dimension you've created for yourself...

A world of doppelgangers, credible moderators and 300lb handbag wielding monsters with grotesquely inhuman faces...

Here is the last time I went at it with Davidson and his ridiculous fantasies:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1315.0.html

Feel free to read through it and he still hasn't replied to my Altgens question. And take a look at the sync of the two films made by someone in NZ. Nice job and if that doesn't prove the films weren't altered, then I don't know what will.

But leave it to Davidson to start combining images into GIFs. He seems to take great pride in being able to press a few buttons and pulling a few levers to get some kind of result in Photoshop. I've been using PS for years professionally [someone at work just asked me to make some tutorials for him] but Davidson seems to hold himself in awe at his whiz-bang creations he makes PS.

Vinny wrote:There is only one viable candidate for PM. Everybody else has been ruled out.

And that Vinny is the one salient point about PM that not one denier has ever, even once, addressed directly. They choose instead to mock the obvious with pareido-illogical bullshit about "enhanced images".

Jake_Sykes wrote:

Vinny wrote:There is only one viable candidate for PM. Everybody else has been ruled out.

And that Vinny is the one salient point about PM that not one denier has ever, even once, addressed directly. They choose instead to mock the obvious with pareido-illogical bullshit about "enhanced images".

Quite so Jake and Vinny.

The figure that we see in both frames really can only be one of two options. It's either a stranger or Lee Oswald. The stranger option has never made any sense to me. Everything taken into account the evidence strongly supports it being Lee Oswald.

greg_parker wrote:
  

We have our model Lola - Ms Sanibel 1963 - here ready to give you your Golden STAN.  Lola wears wigs for professional reasons and in her spare time, likes to dance and drink Cherry Cola. Lola is single.

Holy shit! That enhanced image in the toast. It's her! It's Lola! Or Marylin Monroe maybe?

Jake_Sykes wrote:

greg_parker wrote:
  

We have our model Lola - Ms Sanibel 1963 - here ready to give you your Golden STAN.  Lola wears wigs for professional reasons and in her spare time, likes to dance and drink Cherry Cola. Lola is single.

Holy shit! That enhanced image in the toast. It's her! It's Lola! Or Marylin Monroe maybe?

Come on Jake, you're kidding right? It's Elvis in a blonde wig for professional reasons.

Exactly Mick and Jake. It looks like Lee,it is wearing clothes similar to Lee's clothes, has hairline and posture similar to Lee. Who else can it be? Unless you are Palamara who claims that it looks like Lee but is actually Stanton.

Mick_Purdy wrote:

Jake_Sykes wrote:

greg_parker wrote:
  

We have our model Lola - Ms Sanibel 1963 - here ready to give you your Golden STAN.  Lola wears wigs for professional reasons and in her spare time, likes to dance and drink Cherry Cola. Lola is single.

Holy shit! That enhanced image in the toast. It's her! It's Lola! Or Marylin Monroe maybe?

Come on Jake, you're kidding right? It's Elvis in a blonde wig for professional reasons.

Right again Mick. I guess I'll never get the hang of enhanced image interpretation.

Right again Mick. I guess I'll never get the hang of enhanced image interpretation.

Jake, no need to worry about your photographic interpretation skills mate - you got it.  But I think we have some stiff competition though. There's a few others on the larger brained forums who are way ahead of us here at ROKC.

 Came across this just now. This is what we're up against.








"So Marina must have tilted the camera by 90 deg to get these photos - Right ?"

Um really- seriously? The 620 roll of film in the Imperial reflex camera produces square negatives.  Go figure. The terms cropped or enlarged spring instantly to my tiny brain.
Just sayin'.

Love the retort at the end:

"How about just using your brain to figure it out?"


I think we're doing okay Jake. 

 

Did that one stick in your brain from way back in 2018 Mick? I can see how it might have.

How about just using your brain to figure it out"

A fine example of the polymathic pigman Professor at his prodigiously polygamous prime!!

Along with " Duh the CIA faked Oswalds dental records" these sage utterances must be carved on the walls of the UN Building, or the Old Tom Belltower, to exhale the soft airs of centuries of youth amidst the dreaming spires... or the Louvre , or even the Capitol Building ...as an example of one of humanities greatest minds.. perhaps a marble bust too...in cowboy hat and shades....

Surely the Nobel Prize Committee will soon recognise this genius? 

Talking of geniuses, another lover of doppelgangers and eccentric headgear..in this case red fezzes, worn a la mode, at a suitably jaunty angle...has returned to bathe the poor unwashed in the luminous bounty of his soaring intellect...

Fezzo the Fez is back!!! 

From Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Kabul and Beijing all the top intel operatives have been hastily summoned back....to a dimly lit basement somewhere in darkest Langley...where a special round the clock COINTELPRO unit is being formed ..to combat the menace of an angry man in a fez, a goateed Hobbit huckster and John Butler... the man who did to photo analysis what Vlad the Impaler did to Turko Wallachian diplomatic relations... Combined with the precocious pigman Professor these fearless warriors for troof are the biggest threat to the NWO agenda since  a power company in Wisconsin located a supercharged wind turbine within the blast radius of Jim Fetzer's bowel emissions

Fezzos back!!! 

With yet more squiggles and scribbles... apparently a crazy hodge podge of asymmetrical doodles, covering photographs of Marguerite Oswald with meaningless scrawls .... somehow proves there were actually TWO Marguerites..

" Can you tell what it is yet troofers?"

Do these characters really exist in some hermetically sealed dreamworld? I mean for fuck sake,  a photograph taken of a teenager is not going to look the same as a photograph of the same woman taken nearly half a century later...

I never realised this basic fact of life could be so difficult to understand..

Following Fezzos line of thought to it's logical conclusion maybe we are all our own doppelgangers!! Or maybe we've all had multiple doppelgangers!! Replacing ourselves every few years ago...our old selves sent to work in some giant underground slave labour complex ..