Was truly the source of the police description?

Wed 17 Aug 2016, 7:31 pm

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Was truly the source of the police description?

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Credit to Johnny Hartley for finding this:

KING, Glen D Press Counsel to Chief Curry, statement to American Society of Newspaper Editors, Vol. XX, pp. 453-69.

"We were fortunate that we were able to talk to a person at the location of the events who gave us a description of a person, an employee who, he said, had been in the building prior to the assassination but was not there following it.’
"We broadcast this description on our police radio within a very few minutes after the assassination. The description was of a slender white male, about 30 years of age, about five feet ten, weighing about 165 pounds. at the time he was seen, he was carrying something that looked like either a 30-30 rifle or some type of a Winchester.”

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/K%20Disk/King%20Glen%20D%20Captain/Item%2001.pdf

Truly admitted he gave them a description - but not until much later:
Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, "Have you seen him around lately," and he said no.

So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not. He said, "What do you think"? And I got to thinking. He said, "Well, we better do it anyway." It was so quick after that.
So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving.

The description on his employment form was: weight 150 - height 5' 9". No age or date of birth.

Yet the description is almost a perfect match for Baker's 3rd or 4 th floor man. Weight 165 - height 5' 10" 30 years of age - dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

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I know Sean came to the conclusion that there was no one on the 3rd or 4th floor that Baker or Truly ran into, but I just couldn't bring myself to believe Baker had lied in his first statement.

This paints a whole new picture. That broadcast did go out - right down to the rifle. Given what King says, it had to have been Truly. And Truly was simply guessing Oswald's vital stats. Baker is immediately tapped to "confirm" that description as someone he runs into on an upper floor. Having Truly "confirm" it's an employee helps tighten the noose on Oswald with or without the description being right.

Next step was to plant a light brown jacket at the Tippit murder site - or as close as they could get on short notice!

Sean, I dips me lid again...

And another mark against Truly - the Inside Man on this.

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Wed 14 Sep 2016, 3:07 pm

Truly to my mind was not an informant, but a filthy collaborator.
If he was then the document like the one below would not be around.
It could be a smoke screen, but I would need to see evidence that he was an informant.

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Sat 17 Sep 2016, 5:34 pm

This is just beautiful! Roy Truly being interviewed by Roy Bode for the Odessa American in April 1964. Found by Steve Roe and posted by Denis Morissette on FB.

Brennan had a chat with Baker and Truly.....as supposedly running up those stairs like hell....where Truly could not remember where they hooked up or where Baker said they nearly bumped into each other in the vestibule.....

Then the matter of being misquoted, purely to deflect any future phone calls to the TSBD about him being a lone nut friend or commie sympathiser.

Marguerite Oswald walks in the TSBD with Altgens6 and gets shown the door by RT? WOW! Would have loved to have seen that!

Truly lied to the WC like there was no tomorrow.

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Sun 18 Sep 2016, 2:06 am

Truly & Baker so bogus. If Brennan told them "a gunman" then Truly running ahead of Baker on stairs all the more insane.

In reviewing Barto's Second Floor Anatomy lesson, some things become clear from the WC testimony: Truly thought Baker 'wanted to the roof', so he "escorted" him (security lingo for custodial care as in 'Security, escort this man to the door'). Truly was slooowwwing Baker down, and Baker's emotions were betraying his knowledge of that fact, which Belin had to work hard to neuter. It pissed Baker off that Truly held him back at the swinging door, only ran at a trot across the shipping room, farted around with calling up the elevator shaft. It was Baker who said let's take the stairs. When Baker said that Belin took it off record and then came back on to make it look like Baker was peering up the shaft and counting the cars with Truly. Baker did not like the script he was being given and although he went through the motions, they had to put a ring in his nose to make him do it.

Sun 18 Sep 2016, 2:16 am

There is now a downloadable PDF of the second floor lunch room clusterfuck essay, put together by Bernard Wilds of DPUK available at the link below:

http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Anatomy%20of%20the%20second%20floor%20lunch%20room%20encounter.pdf

Sun 18 Sep 2016, 5:05 am

Curious that if they had a tip from Brennan that their was action on the 4th floor, Truly didn't take Baker to 4th on the front elevator. Maybe there was action up there and that is why Truly took him as far as possible, as slowly as possible, away from that sector of the building.

Sun 18 Sep 2016, 8:54 am

great find, everything we have been talking about til now has been a big li except this thread Very Happy

Sun 18 Sep 2016, 9:12 am

Jake Sykes wrote:

Curious that if they had a tip from Brennan that their was action on the 4th floor, Truly didn't take Baker to 4th on the front elevator. Maybe there was action up there and that is why Truly took him as far as possible, as slowly as possible, away from that sector of the building.

That makes sense to me. Truly's alleged assumption that Baker wanted to get to the top of the building was based on what?

Here is a first day FBI memo stating 4th floor with a Winchester.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251&relPageId=65&search=%22colored_man%22

According to Anna Marie Kuhns-Walko, there were actually early reports of not one but TWO African-American snipers on the fourth floor - one facing Elm and the other facing the GK.

Mon 19 Sep 2016, 5:08 am

Peggy Joyce Hawkins testimony just got validated by Truly, they stood outside for a while or did they not ?
Also i´m curious about what Hoover told LBJ, that they met LHO as they entered the building, probably true also.
Otis Williams seeing LHO as he went inside the TSBD, and then Barrett saying that he made a big mistake when he let LHO go.
I have never tought that there was any conspiracy, I once wrote about a scandinavian man accused of being a paedofile, normal people were lying about what he had done, then it turned out that he was not guilty in the accusations that were made against him, I belive it was the same thing that happened here, they caught LHO, the people back then had no chance of knowing if he was the shooter or not, he COULD have been, so they just went along and nobody wanted to say that they did see him around 12:30 .
I believe that LHO was autistic or most probably did have Asbergers and was telling Capt. Fritz that he was on the stairs in the first interrogation and they panicked as the papers also did have Altgens 6 in the papers that evening, FBI was very relived when they were at Loveladys home and he told them that it was him in Altgens 6, I also thik that LHO being autistic was the reason he did not say anything when he was talking to the press, he is almost only answering questions and is not telling people where exactly he was.
If Barrett is still alive we need to ask him if he did let LHO out as the first person , then we need to ask BWF who the person beside him is.
Also a couple of years ago, there was this 6. grader that made a schoolpaper about the assasination, she got a home movie of the reenactment and also there was this witness that said she was running inside the TSBD right after the shooting and she did see LHO, I have tryed to get too see this papers, to see if the journalist did write something wrong when she wrote about this schoolpaper, but I have not had any luck, have tryed to send a message to the journalist that wrote the article about this 6. th grader but did ot get an answer.

Mon 19 Sep 2016, 2:43 pm

Yes, F. I. Oswald most likely had Asperger's syndrome. It would explain a lot of his behaviour.

Thu 22 Sep 2016, 1:00 am

According to the book Partners in Blue by Carlton Stowers, Jack Revill radioed the description of the suspect with Brennan as his source from his car.

Meanwhile Roy Truly in the DMN Dec 24 1963

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Thu 22 Sep 2016, 2:25 am

Sounds to me like Truly is saying that he and Baker encountered Oswald on the first floor. Go figure...

Fri 23 Sep 2016, 8:25 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Sounds to me like Truly is saying that he and Baker encountered Oswald on the first floor. Go figure...

sure sounds that way here, read at the bottom : http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/13/1376-002.gif

Tue 04 Oct 2016, 10:28 pm

Amos Euins says that he talked to a Motorcycle officer right after the shooting, were there any other motorcycle officers around TSBD right after the shooting ?
I think that maybe it was Euins that gave the description, that is the reason they could not "remember" who it was that gave the description, a young negro boy Dallas 63 hmm.

Tue 04 Oct 2016, 10:43 pm

Faroe Islander wrote:Amos Euins says that he talked to a Motorcycle officer right after the shooting, were there any other motorcycle officers around TSBD right after the shooting ?
I think that maybe it was Euins that gave the description, that is the reason they could not "remember" who it was that gave the description, a young negro boy Dallas 63 hmm.

IIRC, the motorcycle cop he (allegedly) spoke to was Sgt. David Harkness.

Wed 05 Oct 2016, 9:04 am

Faroe Islander wrote:Amos Euins says that he talked to a Motorcycle officer right after the shooting, were there any other motorcycle officers around TSBD right after the shooting ?
I think that maybe it was Euins that gave the description, that is the reason they could not "remember" who it was that gave the description, a young negro boy Dallas 63 hmm.

twice in that report, Fritz substituted the second floor for the first.

1. He asked Oswald what floor he usually worked on and he has Oswald answering "usually on the 2nd". The fact is that Oswald usually worked on the first floor. Why would he lie to Fritz about that? The answer is, he wouldn't. But Fritz would. Fritz had reason to,

2. The reason for lie number one was to set up lie number two. "I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coke." Bullshit! Oswald was on the first floor - WHERE HE USUALLY WORKED - AND ATE drinking the coke when "the officer" - not necessarily Baker - came in.

Wed 05 Oct 2016, 11:41 am

The description is often accredited to Brennan initially but I don't believe that nor do I think it was Euins or if it was he might have been considered as the original source in lieu of anyone else that is until Brennan came along. There were rumours suggesting Brennan initially told reporters ajffiliated with NBC that he thought the shiots came from the railway. He had to be brought back to the WC to confirm or deny this and he of course denied them. However I remember reading that Brennan was present when Euins was talking saying he saw the shooter and the rifle from the TSBD windows and also suggested that he adopted a bullshit story from the back of what Euins was claiming. In other words he made it up. I tend to believe this to be true. What Brennan claimed was ridiculous. Even the WC at the proclaimed his version as probative given he at the end didn't identify Oswald. My opinion is he got scared once he realised how far his story had travelled. Ford called him their Star witness but it didn't pan out that way. He was full of shit and they discovered that about him. He was asked to attend the HSCA committee but made first class travel demands for both him and his wife. Wrote a book of his account that read like s bad thriller. The bloke was full of it. I reckon Truly was the source but that ultimately the messenger of course couldnt be him. Euins was probably considered till Brennan butted in.

Fri 21 Oct 2016, 8:21 pm

Regarding Truly's position in front of the TSBD.

James Jarman in his WC tetsimony

Mr. BALL - What about Mr. Truly?
Mr. JARMAN - He wasn't standing close to me.
Mr. BALL - Did you see him?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was he with?
Mr. JARMAN. He was with the Vice President of the company.
Mr. BALL - What is his name?
Mr. JARMAN - O. V. Campbell.
Mr. BALL - Where were they standing?
Mr. JARMAN - They were standing at the corner of the building in front of the mail boxes.

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Sat 05 Nov 2016, 7:00 pm

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/National%20Enquirer%20FBI%20Records%20From%201-8-78%20Releases/Item%2036.pdf

Interesting FBI memo regarding the source and the description.

"FRITZ related that he -placed no stock whatsoever in the broadcast.at 12:43 :concerning a description of a white male, 5'10", 165 pounds individuall who allegedly was carrying a rifle and was seen running from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of President KENNEDY. FRITZ stated that many wild a descriptions and rumours were being circulated and that from his conversation with Oswald, he did not believe OSWALD.was the type of individual who would run, but probably casually walked away from the building."

Sat 05 Nov 2016, 7:10 pm

Hoover to Rankin on the description
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/National%20Enquirer%20FBI%20Records%20From%201-8-78%20Releases/Item%2035.pdf

Mon 30 Jan 2017, 7:15 am

From Jack White's archive, copy and paste from a doc called 'Description'

11/22/63          Ft. Worth - Soon after President Kennedy was assassinated today in Dallas, a white man in his mid 20s was arrested in the Riverside section of Fort Worth in the shooting of a Dallas policeman.

The man, who has black curly hair and who wore a red shirt, denied that he was connected with the assassination of the President.

His hands were handcuffed and he was taken to Ft. Worth city jail. AP, 2:18 p.m. CST

11/22/63          2nd add arrest - Oswald is a bout 5-foot-9, weighs approximately 160 pounds, has blond hair and is balding and he was dressed in ragged-looking trousers and a sports shirt. AP, 2:54 p.m. CST

11/22/63          AP corrected A141, eliminating a paragraph which had said "He has rather sharp features, dark, intent eyes, is blond and is slightly balding. AP, 7:51 p.m. CST

11/22/63          Side II, at 89' - Voice of Mrs. Earlene Roberts: "[Oswald] rushed in in his shirtsleeves and got a short coat and went back out."

Side II, at 115'+ Mrs. Roberts: "He come in, got a short white coat and went on back out in a hurry ... KLIF tape, The Fateful Hours

11/22/63          On tape at 463': Description of man who shot Tippit, by narrator, as introduction to taped statement by Mrs. Ann McCreavy on the shooting. Narrator describes him as "a fair-haired young man in shirt sleeves", with no indication of source of description.

Mrs. McCreavy not called to testify by Commission. BBC tape, The Day the President Died

11/23/63          Dallas … At 6:35 p.m. he was taken down to the third floor homicide bureau. He wore black slacks, black loafer shoes, a white undershirt and an olive plaid sports shirt, unbuttoned. … New York Times, Gladwin Hill

11/23/63          Dallas - Oswald was seized by another officer.

Oswald wore a white shirt and dark trousers. Police said their first description was that he was wearing a brownish-colored jacket. Such a jacket was found in a parking lot of a funeral home near the theater where he was seized. UPI

11/23/63          A same date: a man in a brown shirt had just dashed into a movie theater … [When was brown shirt or jacket discarded?] New York Times

11/22/63          Dallas - [Oswald: is about 5 feet, 9 inches tall and weighs about 160. He has black hair, sharp features and a mouth that presses tightly together when he is angry and defiant. AP, 1:50 p.m. CST, Peggy Simpson

11/23/63          Dallas - Kennedy was shot at 12:31 p.m. Mrs. R.C. Roberts, who works at the rooming house, said a friend called her at 12:45 to say the president had been shot.

Suddenly, she said, in rushed Oswald, "on the dead run."

"He ran to his room, came running back with a gray zipper jacket and out the door."

He ran toward a bus stop, Mrs. Roberts said. NewsCB, UPI, AP

See Description 4/64, The Fateful Hours

11/23/63          Dallas, [11/22] ... Three shots had been fired. Within moments, the police received a tip that a man in a brown shirt had just dashed into a movie theater a short distance from the building where the rifle had been found, the Texas School Book Depository.

Patrolmen J. D. Tippit and M. N. MacDonald ran into the rear of the theater in close pursuit. When they spotted the man, Patrolman Tippit fired a shot. It was returned by the suspect, identified as Oswald.

The patrolman was hit by the return fire and died instantly. …

Dazed and sullen, Oswald was taken to a police station. Be was wearing a white shirt and dark trousers. A patrolman carried a .38-caliber revolver that had been found on the suspect. New York Times

11/23/63          Dallas - Oswald in [jail], dressed in white tee shirt and khaki trousers … AP, Peggy Simpson

11/29/63          Dallas - "Oswald came in running like the dickens," recalls Earlene Roberts, 68, the housekeeper.

"He got a tan coat and ran out," she said.

… Witnesses ... said Tippit stopped a bushy-haired man about 30, wearing a white cotton jacket rather than a tan coat. This didn't sound like Oswald, but several witnesses later confirmed he was the man.

…        Oswald, when produced after his capture by police, was wearing a plaid shirt over a white t-shirt and dungarees. Chicago Daily News, M. W. Newman and Henry Hanson

11/29/63          … The assassin was gone.

But a Negro boy gave police a description of a man who had been seen leaving the building a few minutes earlier. At 12;36, an all-points pickup went over the radio to watch for a "white male, about 5 ft. 10 in, tall, weighing 160 to 165 pounds, about 30 years old." Time, p. 24

12/11/63          Washington [12/10] Brown threads caught on an assassin's rifle helped to weave what the FBI considers a conclusive case against Lee Harvey Oswald ...

Government sources disclosed … that the threads, identified as from Oswald's shirt, were found snagged in the mechanism of the Italian-made bolt action rifle which also bore his palm print. San Francisco Chronicle, AP

12/14/63          Lee Oswald slipped out of the building, his absence noticed only after police took a roll call of all building employees. The police then broadcast an alarm: "Unknown white male, 30, slender build, 5-0, 160 pounds, thought to be carrying a 30-06 or 30-30 rifle." Saturday Evening Post, Ben H. Bagdikian

12/?/63            "I don't know if it means anything, but I'm missing a man, a young fellow named Lee Oswald." said R. S. Truly ... to a policeman. The alarm went out: pick up Lee Harvey Oswald. Male. White. About five-foot-six, l30 pounds, 24 years of age. Dark hair. Wearing dark jacket …

[At his rooming house] Oswald changed his dark jacket for a light colored one. The Torch is Passed, p. 23

12/?/63            … Mrs. Helen Markham was waiting for a bus. She saw a police car halt down the street. Officer J. D. Tippitt got out. He went toward a man whom Mrs. Markham remembers as being about 30 with a white coat and bushy hair. The Torch is Passed, p. 26

2/9/63              In affidavit written by police [a standard procedure] and signed by witness to Tippit shooting, the killer was described as "white, young, male". The witness, a woman, told Lane [?] killer was also "bushy-haired, short, stocky". Lane talk

2/21/64            In the morning [11/22] Oswald rose without waking his wife or Mrs. Paine. Dressed in a brownish-red shirt and gray trousers. … Life, p. 78

3/8/64              [describing Oswald's capture at Texas Theater]

... "Just inside the theater we were met by a shoe store salesman who had seen the suspect run into the theater without paying for a ticket and could identify him.   This shoe salesman went to the stage with me, peeped through the curtain and identified the suspect, who, he said, was wearing a brown shirt. It was Oswald. He was sitting in the back of the theater, alone. There were only about 10 or 15 people in the entire downstairs section. ...

... As I got within one foot of the suspect,. I saw he was sitting calmly with his hands on his lap. He was wearing a brown shirt, with a white T-shirt underneath, and dark trousers ..." Parade [Oakland Tribune] The Man Who Captured Lee Oswald, Lloyd Shearer. [Feature on Officer M. N. McDonald.]

4/64                 "... He rushed in in his shirt sleeves and got a short coat ... a short white coat. ... he went on back outside in a hurry. When I looked out the window he was standing at the bus stop -- there's a bus stop right outside the door. ..."

"Waiting for a bus?"

"I suppose so, but I didn't see him board a bus."

[From notes taken in 4/64, from The Fateful Hours, a Capitol Custom record [RB-2278) by KLIF, Dallas, issued earlier in the year. [taped copy on file] [on tape at 89 and 115 feet, side II.]

[Time not given. Interview with Mrs. Earlene Roberts regarding Oswald's hasty visit to his room.]

[See Description, 11/23/64, News CB]

9/64                 Oswald's description was broadcast by the Dallas police only 12 minutes after the President was shot. … at 12:43 p.m. The Minority of One, 16 Questions, on the Assassination, Bertrand Russell, p. 8

10/3/64            The Commission concedes that it is unable to determine how Oswald's description was sent out by the police.

All they need do, one suspects, is to ask the police officer who dispatched it about its origin. Instead, they conclude that the description dispatched at 12:45 p.m. described Oswald as "white, slender, weighing about 165 pounds, about 5 feet 10 inches tall, and in his early thirties" [p. 144]. "Probably," says the Commission, the description came from Howard L. Brennan. Brennan claims that he was more than 100 feet from the Depository and that he saw the upper portion of Oswald's body while Oswald stood at a sixth floor window.

How could Brennan judge a man's height when he saw only a portion of his body? The sworn statement made by Brennan to the police on 11/22/63, according to the Commission, made no reference to Oswald's height [p. 144] and gave a different weight. It seems then that the Commission’s guess that the police description “probably” came from Brennan is inaccurate. National Guardian, Mark Lane

Mon 30 Jan 2017, 11:02 am

It might be interesting to see what someone like Peter Hyatt, who specialises in statement analysis, would make of various statements, testimonies and reports about the JFK assassination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slziMpXYjJo&t=172s

Tue 31 Jan 2017, 11:20 pm

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Beowulf at January 10, 2016 at 4:16 PM

Here is Saywers' testimony on it.

Mr. SAWYER. That description came to me mainly from one witness who claimed to have seen the rifle barrel in the fifth or sixth floor of the building, and claimed to have been able to see the man up there.
I got the description and sent him on over to the Sheriff's Office.
Mr. BELIN. Inspector, do you remember anything else about this person who you say gave you the primary description?
Mr. SAWYER. No, I do not, except that I did send him with an escort to the Sheriff's Office to give fuller or more complete detail.

Mr. BRENNAN. He said, "just a minute." And he had to give some orders or something on the east side of the building on Houston Street. And then he had taken me to, I believe, Mr. Sorrels, an automobile sitting in front of the Texas Book Store.
Mr. BELIN. And then what happened there?
Mr. BRENNAN. I related my information and there was a few minutes of discussion, and Mr. Sorrels had taken me then across the street to the sheriff's building.

Mr. STERN - Then you accompanied Brennan and Euins where?
Mr. SORRELS - To the sheriff's office, which was right across the street from the Book Depository.
Mr. STERN - Did you have any further conversation withe them on the way over there?
Mr. SORRELS - Oh, yes; we discussed--I was talking to him on the way over there about what they saw and observed, and told them we would like to come in there where we could get their statements down in writing.

Whoever it was that Sawyer sent over to the Sheriff's Office, it wasn't Brennan.

Steve Thomas.

Fri 28 Jul 2017, 1:30 am

Scanning the recent JFK files document dump and I see a CIA doc dated 11 Oct 1963 with another Oswald description of 5'10" and 165 lbs.

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-July2017/JFK-July_2017_Release-Formerly_released_in_part/DOCID-32353609.PDF

Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:50 am

Stan Dane wrote:Scanning the recent JFK files document dump and I see a CIA doc dated 11 Oct 1963 with another Oswald description of 5'10" and 165 lbs.

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-July2017/JFK-July_2017_Release-Formerly_released_in_part/DOCID-32353609.PDF

Stan, this is where people get tripped up.

A lot of people refer to this description as the "CIA" description and jump to the conclusion that this description must have come to DPD via CIA. Maybe it did, because as you show - the CIA did have that description.

But that description was not one the CIA obtained for themselves - it was given to them by the FBI. It is the exact same description Marguerite gave FBI agent Fain when he interviewed her during her efforts to find out where Lee was.

There is nothing sinister per se in Marguerite's inaccurate description. I can guarantee if my mother had ever been asked to give my wight, weight, eye color etc, if she got any if it right, it would be by lucky guess only.

What is lucky for us is that whoever gave it to the cops believed it was accurate, and that exposes some of the flaws in the case, for example, how on earth can they claim with a straight face that Tippit wanted to question Oswald because he fit the description?

Tue 26 Jun 2018, 9:05 am

Sawyer / Fritz and the source of the descr. investigated by the feds
http://www.prayer-man.com/gifts-from-uncle-malcolm-part-4/

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