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Re: Back Yard Photography
Tue 14 May 2019, 11:07 am
Great observations guys. I agree that it is clear that it should not be a straight line shadow.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Tue 14 May 2019, 11:25 am
To be exact the recreation photo indentation is caused by rifle.

The positioning of the leg is angled back.
Different from 133a
This shortens the length of legs shadow and minimized the area of knee.
Still to be fair 133a shows no indentation from rifle ...arrow straight edge (across terrain no less)
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The positioning of the leg is angled back.
Different from 133a
This shortens the length of legs shadow and minimized the area of knee.
Still to be fair 133a shows no indentation from rifle ...arrow straight edge (across terrain no less)
Cheers
Ed
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Tue 14 May 2019, 11:49 am
Cappel's left ankle area shows the folds and furrows of his pants and more faithful represents the natural shadows.
Although Cappel and Schiller minimized his right sides shadow ... or altered the stance as the 133a lean was unrepeatable, take your pick, it still impugns the fake 133a.
I cant imagine an argument to discount size discrepancies, wrong way shadows, extremely straight body shadows, shadows moving opposite each other, etc etc ad infinitum, except lone nuttified circular reasoning of it exists therefore its real and XYZ said its real.
Terry's find said shove your XYZ up your AZZ
Cheers,
Ed
Although Cappel and Schiller minimized his right sides shadow ... or altered the stance as the 133a lean was unrepeatable, take your pick, it still impugns the fake 133a.
I cant imagine an argument to discount size discrepancies, wrong way shadows, extremely straight body shadows, shadows moving opposite each other, etc etc ad infinitum, except lone nuttified circular reasoning of it exists therefore its real and XYZ said its real.
Terry's find said shove your XYZ up your AZZ
Cheers,
Ed
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Tue 14 May 2019, 6:38 pm
Notes
1 501 Elm Street is the Dal-Tex Building. Since the two photos and their corresponding negatives were said to be found inside a “packet”, perhaps that packet had an identifier listing this address. Did the Dal-Tex building have a tenant in 1963 which could process photos in the fashion associated with the originally discovered backyard photos?
OF NOTE of the note by Jeff Carter
Packet doesn't necessarily mean photo finishers packet it could be any kind of packet
and the TSBD did have their address their
so until a better look at the packet and its address it is not proper to think a photo lab existed in the DALTEX and no photo labs or stores or photographers give a 501 Elm addy in the city directory
Cheers, Ed
PS
Why did HSCA let LIFE give them a print instead of a copy negative of their original copy negative of 133a
PPS
Where the hell is their Original Copy Negative of 133a anyways

OF NOTE of the note by Jeff Carter
Packet doesn't necessarily mean photo finishers packet it could be any kind of packet
and the TSBD did have their address their
so until a better look at the packet and its address it is not proper to think a photo lab existed in the DALTEX and no photo labs or stores or photographers give a 501 Elm addy in the city directory
Cheers, Ed
PS
Why did HSCA let LIFE give them a print instead of a copy negative of their original copy negative of 133a
PPS
Where the hell is their Original Copy Negative of 133a anyways

Re: Back Yard Photography
Tue 14 May 2019, 11:56 pm
Ed. Ledoux wrote:PS
Why did HSCA let LIFE give them a print instead of a copy negative of their original copy negative of 133a
PPS
Where the hell is their Original Copy Negative of 133a anyways
It's almost as if...there was a conspiracy to commit/cover-up a crime.
In theory anyway.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Wed 15 May 2019, 9:01 am
Yes especially when one looks at the evidence provided


"Officer Kirk was tasked with providing the Committee an analysis of the forensic photography and photographic documentation of the JFK investigation. This included providing testimony to the Committee on Lee Harvey Oswald’s infamous “backyard photographs,” which many in the public had begun to think were fabricated. Through his work and testimony, Kirk and his team confirmed the authenticity of these photos.
Varying examples of the Lee Harvey Oswald’s infamous backyard photograph. Kirk made prints from the photograph’s original negative to present as part of his testimony. Collection of the National Law Enforcement Museum, 2015.2.3.
The archive includes copies of Kirk’s testimony to the HSCA with his hand written notes, as well as examples of some of the photographs he used to make his case."
Not so fast lawman.
Kirk actually did a poor job and his case is flimsy, unfounded and there is broken custody chains, with disparate testimony and statements. Legally Kirk should have been more discriminatory.
But when no checks or balances apply this is the end product.
Cheers, Ed


"Officer Kirk was tasked with providing the Committee an analysis of the forensic photography and photographic documentation of the JFK investigation. This included providing testimony to the Committee on Lee Harvey Oswald’s infamous “backyard photographs,” which many in the public had begun to think were fabricated. Through his work and testimony, Kirk and his team confirmed the authenticity of these photos.
Varying examples of the Lee Harvey Oswald’s infamous backyard photograph. Kirk made prints from the photograph’s original negative to present as part of his testimony. Collection of the National Law Enforcement Museum, 2015.2.3.
The archive includes copies of Kirk’s testimony to the HSCA with his hand written notes, as well as examples of some of the photographs he used to make his case."
Not so fast lawman.
Kirk actually did a poor job and his case is flimsy, unfounded and there is broken custody chains, with disparate testimony and statements. Legally Kirk should have been more discriminatory.
But when no checks or balances apply this is the end product.
Cheers, Ed
Re: Back Yard Photography
Wed 22 May 2019, 12:22 pm
Either Ed or Bart (I believe) posted a link to a Jack White hour-long presentation on the BYPs and I watched the whole darned thing.
Very interesting as it seems he mentioned the problem with the shadows I noticed a couple of years back and while that one fact alone proves they were forgeries he decided to focus on two main discrepancies:
1 - the erroneous chin and the probability that it proves the same head was pasted on each photo, and
2 - the odd stance Oswald has in the photos... he claims no one can stand like that.
He mentions off-handedly the relation of the shadows on the ground and the fence as well as the erroneous proportions of the papers, the gun, and Oswald himself but seems to push all of that aside for the very nuanced evidence that he supports.
Why marginalize the most obvious sound undeniable scientific evidence and instead rely on the touchy-feely of the stance and the "face doesn't look right" claim. One was recently disproven by some jerk in a studio and the other relies far too heavily on whether of not the viewer can see the obvious artifacts in the manipulated photos - and not everyone can.
I prefer to leave the fuzzy logic and opinion-oriented crap off the table.
Makes me wonder why that was Jack's "best" argument.
Very interesting as it seems he mentioned the problem with the shadows I noticed a couple of years back and while that one fact alone proves they were forgeries he decided to focus on two main discrepancies:
1 - the erroneous chin and the probability that it proves the same head was pasted on each photo, and
2 - the odd stance Oswald has in the photos... he claims no one can stand like that.
He mentions off-handedly the relation of the shadows on the ground and the fence as well as the erroneous proportions of the papers, the gun, and Oswald himself but seems to push all of that aside for the very nuanced evidence that he supports.
Why marginalize the most obvious sound undeniable scientific evidence and instead rely on the touchy-feely of the stance and the "face doesn't look right" claim. One was recently disproven by some jerk in a studio and the other relies far too heavily on whether of not the viewer can see the obvious artifacts in the manipulated photos - and not everyone can.
I prefer to leave the fuzzy logic and opinion-oriented crap off the table.
Makes me wonder why that was Jack's "best" argument.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 12 Sep 2019, 8:28 am
Imo he was trying to pin it on another 'White' and that chin fit Roscoe.
He was trying to prove an easel was used for rephotographing and they were tilted in that process. Thus the lean.
Of course recent posts on FB groups has shown a chins appearance is affected by the light sources angle, but this was refuted by the HSCA in relation to the BYP's.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://miketgriffith.com/files/fraud.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiW7b-Y4snkAhXXpZ4KHYm4AyQQFjAOegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw1hSoP4XvEliLE8qxIfCkOn&cshid=1568240140427
Oh and Greg pointed out that Lee holding a baby would act as counterbalance... thus the inscription to junie from papa(?) as a remembrance of father and baby daughter together.
The powerline shadows he just didnt go into enough to convince anyone as you had done Terry.
One point he made in testimony was:
WHITE. I don't have too much to say except to thank the committee. There was one area of questioning which I had hoped to get into, which because of the shortness of time before lunch I was not permitted to go into. That is the question of the DeMohrenschildt picture. The DeMohrenschildt picture shows a much larger amount of background around the edges than any of the photographs, 133-A, B or C. To me this indicates that the DeMohrenschildt picture is printed full negative. In fact, we can verify this because it is printed with a black border around the edge, the black border being the clear area around the edge of the negative. According to the FBI, the picture, CE-133-B, was identified as being taken with Oswald's camera because it could be matched to the film plane aperture. Yet if the DeMohrenschildt picture shows a larger background area and it is taken from the same camera viewpoint, then 133-A, B and C have all been cropped and, therefore, if there is more background area in the picture, then it could not possibly be matched to the film plane aperture. Other than that, I have no additional comments.
133a Dem is the smoking gun of images.
Your powerline shadow find was the bullet that killed the BYPs.
Cecil W. Kirk and Calvin S. McCamy failed to address all issues and failed to show they are NOT fake. By all accounts they actually proved in some instances they were fakes, nose shadow for one.
Terry I will always credit your independent analysis as the real shadow interuptus extraordinaire!
Cheers,
Ed
He was trying to prove an easel was used for rephotographing and they were tilted in that process. Thus the lean.
Of course recent posts on FB groups has shown a chins appearance is affected by the light sources angle, but this was refuted by the HSCA in relation to the BYP's.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://miketgriffith.com/files/fraud.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiW7b-Y4snkAhXXpZ4KHYm4AyQQFjAOegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw1hSoP4XvEliLE8qxIfCkOn&cshid=1568240140427
Oh and Greg pointed out that Lee holding a baby would act as counterbalance... thus the inscription to junie from papa(?) as a remembrance of father and baby daughter together.
The powerline shadows he just didnt go into enough to convince anyone as you had done Terry.
One point he made in testimony was:
WHITE. I don't have too much to say except to thank the committee. There was one area of questioning which I had hoped to get into, which because of the shortness of time before lunch I was not permitted to go into. That is the question of the DeMohrenschildt picture. The DeMohrenschildt picture shows a much larger amount of background around the edges than any of the photographs, 133-A, B or C. To me this indicates that the DeMohrenschildt picture is printed full negative. In fact, we can verify this because it is printed with a black border around the edge, the black border being the clear area around the edge of the negative. According to the FBI, the picture, CE-133-B, was identified as being taken with Oswald's camera because it could be matched to the film plane aperture. Yet if the DeMohrenschildt picture shows a larger background area and it is taken from the same camera viewpoint, then 133-A, B and C have all been cropped and, therefore, if there is more background area in the picture, then it could not possibly be matched to the film plane aperture. Other than that, I have no additional comments.
133a Dem is the smoking gun of images.
Your powerline shadow find was the bullet that killed the BYPs.
Cecil W. Kirk and Calvin S. McCamy failed to address all issues and failed to show they are NOT fake. By all accounts they actually proved in some instances they were fakes, nose shadow for one.
Terry I will always credit your independent analysis as the real shadow interuptus extraordinaire!
Cheers,
Ed
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 12 Sep 2019, 8:33 am
Sheet film...
Another nail in the Imperial Reflex coffin
Imperial took 620 or 120.
No edge markings on negative = sheet film and not rolls of 120 or 620.
Cheers,
Ed
Another nail in the Imperial Reflex coffin
Imperial took 620 or 120.
No edge markings on negative = sheet film and not rolls of 120 or 620.
Cheers,
Ed
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