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Back Yard Photography
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1106 |   The Most Incriminated Man In the World. All fun aside the new CTKA article was pointed out by Bart. http://www.ctka.net/2015/JeffCarterBYP4.html One point made was, 30) If the backyard photos were faked, it means that all items within the photo were deliberately chosen by the forgers. The odd inclusion on the Oswald figure is then the pistol. It invokes the Tippit slaying, but how could the Tippit slaying be anticipated months ahead? Perhaps a shootout with the pistol-carrying assassin was the anticipated event. Was slaying of Tippit with an automatic pistol changed to match the picture of a revolver. More likely they knew LHO had purchased a pistol in Fort Worth. Or were the photos composited onto an empty backyard photo after Tippits murder thus the need for a pistol wearing murderer.  When you examine the photos the shadows under the stairs do not change yet the shadow of LHO does, denoting time between images. This would lend credence to Oswald's being composited onto a single image. See images below.   Again the stairs shadow is the same, note its appearance on the blanket etc. yet the "oswald" shadow has changed implying time between photos. In fact the shadow of the rifle is at a different angle than the holder of rifle in second pose. Of note is the bag or sack, or "blanket" possibly used to carry the rifle to the location, under the stairs by the post. Possibly a connection to the baby blanket later claimed to hold a disassembled rifle. In this image is a black 'thing' sticking out of the fence known as the black dog nose. It is likely light leak from the compositing process. No black sports shirt with two white buttons was not on clothing inventory of LHO. Do the black pants look like dress pants or more like work pants?  Do you think these are black dress pants? Please respond to the questions raised first, then we can expand the post to other areas of the BYPs. Cheers, Ed | |
Mick Purdy Moderator Posts: 1403 | Ed, all great points. I'm going to get a set of these backyard pics for further study. I think the top two (side by side) are curious indeed. Need a clear set to have a closer look. If I didn't know any better I'd say that the shadow from the figure falling across the ground has changed to my eye at least when it seems no other shadows have moved. At first I thought my eyes were playing tricks, I also had assumed the figure had moved back a step, but then had a closer look at where the head meets the roof of the garage. It alters too. And just to make it interesting take a close look at the decreased angle of view of the lens on #2 its different IMO and its not just the cropping I'm talking of. I don't know whether thats right but it certainly looks to be the case. Maybe I'm pixel peeping to much.... | |
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1106 | "decreased angle of view of the lens on #2 its different IMO" Nope your eyes are correct. The camera is slightly less tilted in that shot and has changed position minutely. This was covered in the discussions on EF about these photos with Lamp post Lamykins. So a tripod was likely not used or if it was it was, it was bumped or moved an inch or twoforwards or backward depending on which photo we are saying is the first and baseline to examine the others. Yes another set of eyes will be great help Mick! | |
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 7:43 pm
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/House%20Select%20Committee%20On%20Assassinations%20Cips%20And%20Inventory/HSCA-JFK/HSCA-JFK%2016.pdf
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 8:11 pm
Now we have proof that Terry has provided that the BYPs are faked, things that were once were weak cases on their own now weigh heavy.barto wrote:http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Miscellaneous%20Folders/Miscellaneous%20Study%20Groups/Misc-SG-006.pdf
The perfect ground shadow...yes while the powerline shadow dips and furrows its way the shadow of 'Lee' is not altered by the mounds or softened by the grass
Here is a wrist watch in 1960 spy work
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=141037&relPageId=8&search=Ruby_wristwatch
Silly part is watches are slightly different colors etc. but all have a watch face with 'Protana' on it.
I can't see anyone worth a lick not spotting a Protana when others are showing off their Rolexes, Hamilitons, Patek Philippe's, and such. This could be type Ruby was claimed he wore once to gather information.
Here is Ruby's LeCoultre:
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 8:12 pm
Ruby LeCoultre was returned 12/12/63.
Would that rule it out for testing and mistaking it for Lee's watch and ring?
I think it already has but Greg asked about a mistake and how much documentation would exist, I think with FBI and Lab involvement it is large, as seen with A Mary Ferrell search.
I saw a question about Ruby's watch band. Why is he wearing a NATO military watch band? Not a black leather fancy strap,,, for a diamond studded watch....
http://gearpatrol.com/2014/01/07/icon-nato-strap/
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 9:28 pm
Can we get a time of day when the BYPs were taken based on shadow of power line ONLY.
No shoe pin point reflection. And especially not "Lee's" shadow.
I think Gary Taylor was involved with a photographer, borrowed the camera or took the BYP's using it
"..and also Gary Taylor, George de Mohrenschildt's now estranged son-in-law. He came by the apartment one afternoon, when Lee Oswald was at work"
And took photos...?
Could the baby photos be from the same session? Time and shadow wise?
No shoe pin point reflection. And especially not "Lee's" shadow.
I think Gary Taylor was involved with a photographer, borrowed the camera or took the BYP's using it
"..and also Gary Taylor, George de Mohrenschildt's now estranged son-in-law. He came by the apartment one afternoon, when Lee Oswald was at work"
And took photos...?
Could the baby photos be from the same session? Time and shadow wise?
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 9:31 pm
When where and whom developed the baby pics?
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 9:54 pm
Ed, was the balcony only accessible from inside?
There were a whole slew of young female Russian women divorced or separated in Dallas - some with young kids.
I know this because I once came across a whole series of FBI reports giving details on those women. One day, I'll have make a serious effort at refinding them.
There were a whole slew of young female Russian women divorced or separated in Dallas - some with young kids.
I know this because I once came across a whole series of FBI reports giving details on those women. One day, I'll have make a serious effort at refinding them.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 10:02 pm
The cameras and its owners
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/JFK%20Assassination%20Notes/JFK%20AN%2004.pdf
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/JFK%20Assassination%20Notes/JFK%20AN%2004.pdf
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 10:04 pm
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95864#relPageId=62&tab=page
Are there attempts to hide the baby blanket June is using in these pics?
Are there attempts to hide the baby blanket June is using in these pics?
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 10:15 pm
greg parker wrote:Ed, was the balcony only accessible from inside?
Yes I could find no evidence otherwise. Perhaps the former tenant had mistaken pulling up in back with his car and walking directly upstairs. to that 'porch'.
The idea was an old staircase ran to the alley but was removed due to its encroaching the alleyway traffic.
Could find nothing to back this up either. Or conversely ran into the front yard where upstairs tenant parked.
I see nothing that supports these miss-remembrances or solutions.
There were a whole slew of young female Russian women divorced or separated in Dallas - some with young kids.
Exactly the type to assist Marina. Or be wrongly identified as her.
I know this because I once came across a whole series of FBI reports giving details on those women. One day, I'll have make a serious effort at refinding them.
Can't wait to hear more Greg.
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Sun 29 Jan 2017, 10:25 pm
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/JFK%20Assassination%20Notes/JFK%20AN%2046.pdf
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 10:40 pm
And no way an meter reader would need or want to climb the stairs as they are to see the meters on the alley side wall.
Now had their been and old staircase running down to the alley it would run directly under the electric meters. Where a meter reader might go up and peek inside.
Otherwise the back door would need to be a glass windowed one,,,
I find nothing that says it was. And is a solid door.
The window would not lend a view to the apt. from the back porch.
I don't know what to say about the meter readers tale...
Whom exactly was this person whom peeked into see vacated premises?
So on the date that Ruth Paine was allegedly visiting that address and taking Marina off for an outing, the meter reader was reporting the place as vacant.
On March 29, the same meter reader allegedly scrawls the name Lee Harvey Oswald in the margin of the file for the address, but nothing is done regarding contacting this alleged new resident until after another visit on April 19 - at which time he reports the apartment as "occupied". They do this by sending a letter on April 24 (the same day LHO moves to New Orleans) - not addressed to Oswald - but to "the occupant." On yet another visit on May 1, the the premises are again vacant and the April 24 letter is still sitting in the mail box.
The only evidence here connecting Oswald to that address at all is his name hand-written in the file - allegedly on March 29. But what is not explained is how Fish got that name. His last visit was 9 days before that and he had asserted at that time that the place was vacant. Meter readers, as far as I know, do not make extensive inquiries regarding the occupants of buildings. Nor would a meter reader be the one to take a phone call from a new occupant advising they'd moved in. Someone supplied that name to fish, seemingly in an "off the record" manner, he jotted the name down, but was not prepared to run with that without the occupant themselves confirming it - thus the letter to "the occupant". -GREG
Meter reader must be assuming place is vacant due to mailbox and meter not a peek inside.
Cheers, Ed
Now had their been and old staircase running down to the alley it would run directly under the electric meters. Where a meter reader might go up and peek inside.
Otherwise the back door would need to be a glass windowed one,,,
I find nothing that says it was. And is a solid door.
The window would not lend a view to the apt. from the back porch.
I don't know what to say about the meter readers tale...
Whom exactly was this person whom peeked into see vacated premises?
So on the date that Ruth Paine was allegedly visiting that address and taking Marina off for an outing, the meter reader was reporting the place as vacant.
On March 29, the same meter reader allegedly scrawls the name Lee Harvey Oswald in the margin of the file for the address, but nothing is done regarding contacting this alleged new resident until after another visit on April 19 - at which time he reports the apartment as "occupied". They do this by sending a letter on April 24 (the same day LHO moves to New Orleans) - not addressed to Oswald - but to "the occupant." On yet another visit on May 1, the the premises are again vacant and the April 24 letter is still sitting in the mail box.
The only evidence here connecting Oswald to that address at all is his name hand-written in the file - allegedly on March 29. But what is not explained is how Fish got that name. His last visit was 9 days before that and he had asserted at that time that the place was vacant. Meter readers, as far as I know, do not make extensive inquiries regarding the occupants of buildings. Nor would a meter reader be the one to take a phone call from a new occupant advising they'd moved in. Someone supplied that name to fish, seemingly in an "off the record" manner, he jotted the name down, but was not prepared to run with that without the occupant themselves confirming it - thus the letter to "the occupant". -GREG
Meter reader must be assuming place is vacant due to mailbox and meter not a peek inside.
Cheers, Ed
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Sun 29 Jan 2017, 11:46 pm
Ed,
it gets curiouser (are you surprised)
On 3/11,Postal Inspector Dorothy Myers told the FBI that the Oswald's were living at 214 West Neely St. The FBI went to the address on the 14th and observed a name plate on the mail box. It simply said "Mr. and Mrs. Lee Harvey Oswald"... so that was on the mail box prior to the meter reader stating the place was vacant on the 20th.
name plate
I guess it's possible he missed it on the 20th, but as you ask, who informed him of it on the 29th?
And why would Oswald go to the expense and trouble of having the name plate made when he had his mail going to PO Boxes, his accommodation was nearly always short term, and one suspects he wouldn't want to make it too easy for the Feds to find him.
it gets curiouser (are you surprised)
On 3/11,Postal Inspector Dorothy Myers told the FBI that the Oswald's were living at 214 West Neely St. The FBI went to the address on the 14th and observed a name plate on the mail box. It simply said "Mr. and Mrs. Lee Harvey Oswald"... so that was on the mail box prior to the meter reader stating the place was vacant on the 20th.
name plate
I guess it's possible he missed it on the 20th, but as you ask, who informed him of it on the 29th?
And why would Oswald go to the expense and trouble of having the name plate made when he had his mail going to PO Boxes, his accommodation was nearly always short term, and one suspects he wouldn't want to make it too easy for the Feds to find him.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Mon 30 Jan 2017, 1:06 am
And when they hear on 3/4/63 where Lee and Marina are supposedly located they had just moved...on 3/3 really!
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HochFiles-FBI-Kennedy/nsia-HochFiles-FBI-Kennedy/Hoch%20Files%20FBI%20JFK%2009#page/n0/mode/2up
I dont but a name plate, I would expect something akin to a piece of paper you slip behind a clear window on the box or directory.
These are simple mail boxes on the Neely residence with no place for a name plate or tag nor need for such.
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HochFiles-FBI-Kennedy/nsia-HochFiles-FBI-Kennedy/Hoch%20Files%20FBI%20JFK%2009#page/n0/mode/2up
I dont but a name plate, I would expect something akin to a piece of paper you slip behind a clear window on the box or directory.
These are simple mail boxes on the Neely residence with no place for a name plate or tag nor need for such.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Tue 31 Jan 2017, 10:38 am
3/2/64 Account of how pictures of Oswald holding the rifle got into the hands of Life, Detroit Free Press and the AP. Marguerite quoted as saying may have been her son's head on another body.
[See Weapon] Newsweek, A Big Sale, p 80,
[See Weapon] Newsweek, A Big Sale, p 80,
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Wed 01 Feb 2017, 1:02 am
Is it just me or is there something odd about the "balcony photo of Baby June" on the balcony at the Neely house. The shot of the house shows a small balcony at the top of the stairs that is too small for the baby photo.
Is there another balcony on the house that I am missing?
Is there another balcony on the house that I am missing?
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Wed 01 Feb 2017, 6:30 am
Terry, could it be just the camera angle with the baby shot? Kind of like internal shots of homes for sale always seem to make them look bigger than they are?Terry W. Martin wrote:Is it just me or is there something odd about the "balcony photo of Baby June" on the balcony at the Neely house. The shot of the house shows a small balcony at the top of the stairs that is too small for the baby photo.
Is there another balcony on the house that I am missing?
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 02 Feb 2017, 7:20 am
Terry W. Martin wrote:Is it just me or is there something odd about the "balcony photo of Baby June" on the balcony at the Neely house. The shot of the house shows a small balcony at the top of the stairs that is too small for the baby photo.
Is there another balcony on the house that I am missing?
Not a problem Terry.
Front balcony, rear porch.
Balcony is only accessible from the inside via 'french doors'
Rear stairs go up to a porch landing for entry into second floor apt.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 02 Feb 2017, 7:28 am
Now I;m confused. Do we know which the baby photo was taken on?
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 02 Feb 2017, 7:34 am
Thanks, Ed.
Front balcony as opposed to the tiny porch in back.
Front balcony as opposed to the tiny porch in back.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 02 Feb 2017, 7:43 am
Scratch that. I need a coffee!greg parker wrote:Now I;m confused. Do we know which the baby photo was taken on?
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Fri 03 Feb 2017, 7:17 am
Front balcony has the distinctive pattern in the railing where June was photographed. An eight pointed star??
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 23 Feb 2017, 8:51 am
The blanket that June is sitting on is the same blanket that the gun was wrapped up in according to what Marina said to Rankin.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 23 Feb 2017, 9:00 am
Ed could you let me know where these pics are sourced from....PM if that suitsEd. Ledoux wrote:Can we get a time of day when the BYPs were taken based on shadow of power line ONLY.
No shoe pin point reflection. And especially not "Lee's" shadow.
I think Gary Taylor was involved with a photographer, borrowed the camera or took the BYP's using it
"..and also Gary Taylor, George de Mohrenschildt's now estranged son-in-law. He came by the apartment one afternoon, when Lee Oswald was at work"
And took photos...?
Could the baby photos be from the same session? Time and shadow wise?
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Thu 23 Feb 2017, 5:50 pm
no worries Mick,
They are from photos taken from the Paine residence.
The FBI showed them to Marina in groups.
These three of June Oswald at the Neely address are B3-13, B3-17, B3-29. Those are FBI EXHIBIT numbers.
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/.../Item%2054.pdf
Exhibit & Sequence #'s
B3-13 = 138n
B3-17 = 138r
B3-29 = 138dd
Carter at CTKA has this to say about them: "The Neely Street balcony photos of June Oswald appear to have been taken on two separate occasions, as her garment is long-sleeved for two photos and short sleeved in the other. According to Marina, the blanket laid out on the balcony floor on which June sits would later serve as the blanket which allegedly wrapped the rifle as it sat in the Paine’s garage."
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/a-new-look-at-the-enigma-of-the-backyard-photographs-parts-1-3#_nref9
Taylor either played dress up with June or it was two visits?
Lee supposedly used the marine corps rain coat to carry 'the carcano' to the Walker shooting... guess the baby had the blanket that night.
They are from photos taken from the Paine residence.
The FBI showed them to Marina in groups.
These three of June Oswald at the Neely address are B3-13, B3-17, B3-29. Those are FBI EXHIBIT numbers.
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/.../Item%2054.pdf
Exhibit & Sequence #'s
B3-13 = 138n
B3-17 = 138r
B3-29 = 138dd
Carter at CTKA has this to say about them: "The Neely Street balcony photos of June Oswald appear to have been taken on two separate occasions, as her garment is long-sleeved for two photos and short sleeved in the other. According to Marina, the blanket laid out on the balcony floor on which June sits would later serve as the blanket which allegedly wrapped the rifle as it sat in the Paine’s garage."
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/a-new-look-at-the-enigma-of-the-backyard-photographs-parts-1-3#_nref9
Taylor either played dress up with June or it was two visits?
Lee supposedly used the marine corps rain coat to carry 'the carcano' to the Walker shooting... guess the baby had the blanket that night.
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Re: Back Yard Photography
Thu 23 Feb 2017, 6:44 pm
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95864&relPageId=62
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95864#relPageId=74&tab=page
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95864#relPageId=58&tab=page
Thar ye be matey!
Cheers, Ed
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95864#relPageId=74&tab=page
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95864#relPageId=58&tab=page
Thar ye be matey!
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