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Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Thu 11 Aug 2016, 6:23 pm
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This is full rebuild of the hugely popular thread created by Mick Purdy at the Webs forum in February 2015. – Stan
Mick Purdy
I believe Buell Wesley Frazier lied about seeing Lee Oswald with a package, a package two feet long on the morning of Friday November 22nd 1963.
I believe Linnie Mae Randle lied about seeing Oswald with a package, a package 27 inches long on the Morning of 22nd Nov 1963.
I believe both Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier fabricated the curtain rod story.
I think there is ample evidence in their WC testimonies, affidavits and FBI interviews to support each of these contentions.
I have also come to the conclusion (after having a closer look at the testimonies and the various reports), that Buell Wesley Frazier lied about another crucially important matter that day. In my opinion the totality of the evidence suggests Frazier lied with regards to driving Lee Harvey Oswald to work that fateful morning.
Take a moment to reflect upon the importance of that drive to the case against Oswald before reading on.
The story was very likely fabricated not merely to have Oswald appear to carry a sack into work – but also to create the illusion of Oswald carrying a rifle. This conclusion is drawn from a study of the WC testimonies of both Randle and Frazier regarding Oswald, the package and his alleged arrival at the Randle residence that morning. Ten or more neighbours considered to be best placed to spot pedestrian movement in the vicinity were interviewed by the FBI as to whether they saw Oswald carrying a package from the Paine’s home to the Randle home. To a person, they stated they had not seen Oswald that morning – with or without any suspicious package which the police on more than one occasion, described as being similar in size and shape to a rifle case.
Frazier’s WC and Shaw trial testimony regarding the journey into work with Oswald appears rehearsed. Any questions relating to the “sack” or what was said in the car on the way in is met with what sounds very much like scripted answers that have become Frazier’s Lore. The sack, the curtain rods, the weather, and my favourite, Oswald’s kids, are IMO all part of the charade. Away from the small talk and banter about kids, he constantly flip flopped on testimony in a manner redolent with patterns of deceit.
Frazier’s WC testimony with regard to his arrival at work is at complete odds with the HSCA interview of Edward Shields. Though it could be argued Shields, unlike Frazier, was not under oath, and therefore is a witness of lesser value, the fact is that Shields was as close as you can get to a disinterested party merely reporting for the first what he had heard. Sadly, it took well over a decade for him to receive any relevant questions. In any event, it is highly unlikely he ever realized the import of his information.
From the HSCA interview of Shields
To summarize what we have so far… no one claimed to see Lee Harvey Oswald walk to the Frazier residence that morning. No one claimed to see Lee Harvey Oswald in Frazier’s car that morning – except Frazier himself. No one saw Lee Harvey Oswald that morning with any package except Wes and Linnie Mae.
Frazier also testified that he let Oswald get well ahead on the walk from the car park to the loading dock entrance. But in the form of Edward Shields, we have a potential reason for Frazier to construct that story.
In the above two short paragraphs alone, we have three “firsts” – firsts that are needed for the official story to hold. Oswald had never walked to the Randle residence for his lift before. He was always picked up at the Paine house. Oswald had never taken a long package to work before. Oswald had never neglected to take a packed lunch before. Oswald had never even needed a lift on a Friday morning before. Frazier had never let Oswald walk ahead of him from the car park before. They had always walked in together. That is a lot of “firsts” – all reliant on a very tight little knit of witnesses outside of which, no corroboration exists. Nobody else, not one person can verify Frazier’s version of events in Irving except for his sister. At the other end of the journey at the TSBD parking lot, we rely solely on Frazier. It beggars belief that there are no other witnesses. That walk was at least 2 and 1/2 blocks long. Shields and Givens smash his fairy-tale apart.
This “story” IMO has the same stench wafting around it, like the rest of the days fables contain.
The bus trip, the cab ride, the sack, the run, the walk, the ducking, the escape, the 2nd floor, the first floor, the sixth floor, the lunch bag, the rifle case, the back seat, the front seat, the white jacket the grey jacket, the gun, the revolver ……………
An alternative scenario
Postal Inspectors interviewed Mr and Mrs CP Schneider at 2707 West Fifth St in the early evening of November 22. Mr Schneider confirmed he had seen Lee Oswald in front of the 2515 residence at approximately 6:00pm of the previous evening. He also stated that a neighbour, Mrs Ed Roberts of 2519 West Fifth St had told him that Willie Randle, 2439 West Fifth St, had driven Oswald to work on the morning of November 22, and that Oswald was carrying a package large enough to have contained a rifle. (CD 296)
What sort of investigation is it that receives hearsay evidence such as the above and fails to follow up to confirm or refute it with the parties involved? WE are indeed, expected to believe that no follow up was done, because there is no evidence any follow up was done. Yet, there is actually circumstantial evidence that the authorities did believe that Randle was the man who gave the lift because that same night, the FBI was attempting to trace the origins of the scope in the names of Lee Oswald OR Willie Randall [sic]. (CD 87) It is virtually impossible to believe that the FBI would act on hearsay alone, when a few houses from where the hearsay was received, lived the person who had passed on that hearsay. You would almost have to believe that this “Willie Randle” lead was followed up and that it checked out given the ease with which such a lead could be checked out. To further complicate matters, the DPD already had Oswald’s alleged driver in custody. If Frazier truly was the driver, there would no reason at all to be checking on “Willy Randle/Randall” as a co-conspirator!
Randle had arrived in Austin at about 7:00pm on what was said to be work-related business in company with co-worker named Berry Caster. (FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 32, p44) It is between a 3 and 4 hour drive from Irving to Austin, so it is far from impossible that “Willie” drove Lee to work that morning on the basis that Frazier had already left.
Because of the holes in the official investigation, some conjecture is needed if we are to try understand the mess we have been left. What follows is some of my conjecture.
Frazier left that morning on his own – with the throwdown M-C rifle. The call from Givens of “where’s your rider?” was code giving Frazier the all clear to bring “the package” in, or was code for simply it’s clear to come inside.
Since Lee had missed his ride, Willie Randle offered to give him one, but needed to borrow Ruth’s car since his own was full of work gear for the trip to Austin later on. This leads to Oswald’s statement in front of Roger Craig concerning Craig’s description of a certain station wagon that "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine. Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it."
Doesn’t that sound like someone talking about a car that was being driven by someone else?
I’d like to thank Greg Parker for his enormous support and encouragement.
This is full rebuild of the hugely popular thread created by Mick Purdy at the Webs forum in February 2015. – Stan
Mick Purdy
I believe Buell Wesley Frazier lied about seeing Lee Oswald with a package, a package two feet long on the morning of Friday November 22nd 1963.
I believe Linnie Mae Randle lied about seeing Oswald with a package, a package 27 inches long on the Morning of 22nd Nov 1963.
I believe both Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier fabricated the curtain rod story.
I think there is ample evidence in their WC testimonies, affidavits and FBI interviews to support each of these contentions.
I have also come to the conclusion (after having a closer look at the testimonies and the various reports), that Buell Wesley Frazier lied about another crucially important matter that day. In my opinion the totality of the evidence suggests Frazier lied with regards to driving Lee Harvey Oswald to work that fateful morning.
Take a moment to reflect upon the importance of that drive to the case against Oswald before reading on.
The story was very likely fabricated not merely to have Oswald appear to carry a sack into work – but also to create the illusion of Oswald carrying a rifle. This conclusion is drawn from a study of the WC testimonies of both Randle and Frazier regarding Oswald, the package and his alleged arrival at the Randle residence that morning. Ten or more neighbours considered to be best placed to spot pedestrian movement in the vicinity were interviewed by the FBI as to whether they saw Oswald carrying a package from the Paine’s home to the Randle home. To a person, they stated they had not seen Oswald that morning – with or without any suspicious package which the police on more than one occasion, described as being similar in size and shape to a rifle case.
Frazier’s WC and Shaw trial testimony regarding the journey into work with Oswald appears rehearsed. Any questions relating to the “sack” or what was said in the car on the way in is met with what sounds very much like scripted answers that have become Frazier’s Lore. The sack, the curtain rods, the weather, and my favourite, Oswald’s kids, are IMO all part of the charade. Away from the small talk and banter about kids, he constantly flip flopped on testimony in a manner redolent with patterns of deceit.
Frazier’s WC testimony with regard to his arrival at work is at complete odds with the HSCA interview of Edward Shields. Though it could be argued Shields, unlike Frazier, was not under oath, and therefore is a witness of lesser value, the fact is that Shields was as close as you can get to a disinterested party merely reporting for the first what he had heard. Sadly, it took well over a decade for him to receive any relevant questions. In any event, it is highly unlikely he ever realized the import of his information.
From the HSCA interview of Shields
SHIELDS: I think Charles Givens hollered out there and asked Frazier where was his rider and he told him: "I dropped him off at the building." Yeah, that was it...Well, I was down on the floor when they hollered out and said and the answer he gave them, I don't know, I think he said: "I dropped him off at the building." Now, whoever it was hollering asked him, I don't know.
DAY: This is the morning of the assassination?
SHIELDS: Mm-hmm.
DAY: Somebody hollered out the window and say: "Where is your rider?" And to your recollection, Frazier says, "I dropped him off at the building."
SHIELDS: Yes.
DAY: Alright. The day of the assassination, did you see Oswald come to work with Frazier?
SHIELDS: No I didn’t.
To summarize what we have so far… no one claimed to see Lee Harvey Oswald walk to the Frazier residence that morning. No one claimed to see Lee Harvey Oswald in Frazier’s car that morning – except Frazier himself. No one saw Lee Harvey Oswald that morning with any package except Wes and Linnie Mae.
Frazier also testified that he let Oswald get well ahead on the walk from the car park to the loading dock entrance. But in the form of Edward Shields, we have a potential reason for Frazier to construct that story.
In the above two short paragraphs alone, we have three “firsts” – firsts that are needed for the official story to hold. Oswald had never walked to the Randle residence for his lift before. He was always picked up at the Paine house. Oswald had never taken a long package to work before. Oswald had never neglected to take a packed lunch before. Oswald had never even needed a lift on a Friday morning before. Frazier had never let Oswald walk ahead of him from the car park before. They had always walked in together. That is a lot of “firsts” – all reliant on a very tight little knit of witnesses outside of which, no corroboration exists. Nobody else, not one person can verify Frazier’s version of events in Irving except for his sister. At the other end of the journey at the TSBD parking lot, we rely solely on Frazier. It beggars belief that there are no other witnesses. That walk was at least 2 and 1/2 blocks long. Shields and Givens smash his fairy-tale apart.
This “story” IMO has the same stench wafting around it, like the rest of the days fables contain.
The bus trip, the cab ride, the sack, the run, the walk, the ducking, the escape, the 2nd floor, the first floor, the sixth floor, the lunch bag, the rifle case, the back seat, the front seat, the white jacket the grey jacket, the gun, the revolver ……………
An alternative scenario
Postal Inspectors interviewed Mr and Mrs CP Schneider at 2707 West Fifth St in the early evening of November 22. Mr Schneider confirmed he had seen Lee Oswald in front of the 2515 residence at approximately 6:00pm of the previous evening. He also stated that a neighbour, Mrs Ed Roberts of 2519 West Fifth St had told him that Willie Randle, 2439 West Fifth St, had driven Oswald to work on the morning of November 22, and that Oswald was carrying a package large enough to have contained a rifle. (CD 296)
What sort of investigation is it that receives hearsay evidence such as the above and fails to follow up to confirm or refute it with the parties involved? WE are indeed, expected to believe that no follow up was done, because there is no evidence any follow up was done. Yet, there is actually circumstantial evidence that the authorities did believe that Randle was the man who gave the lift because that same night, the FBI was attempting to trace the origins of the scope in the names of Lee Oswald OR Willie Randall [sic]. (CD 87) It is virtually impossible to believe that the FBI would act on hearsay alone, when a few houses from where the hearsay was received, lived the person who had passed on that hearsay. You would almost have to believe that this “Willie Randle” lead was followed up and that it checked out given the ease with which such a lead could be checked out. To further complicate matters, the DPD already had Oswald’s alleged driver in custody. If Frazier truly was the driver, there would no reason at all to be checking on “Willy Randle/Randall” as a co-conspirator!
Randle had arrived in Austin at about 7:00pm on what was said to be work-related business in company with co-worker named Berry Caster. (FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 32, p44) It is between a 3 and 4 hour drive from Irving to Austin, so it is far from impossible that “Willie” drove Lee to work that morning on the basis that Frazier had already left.
Because of the holes in the official investigation, some conjecture is needed if we are to try understand the mess we have been left. What follows is some of my conjecture.
Frazier left that morning on his own – with the throwdown M-C rifle. The call from Givens of “where’s your rider?” was code giving Frazier the all clear to bring “the package” in, or was code for simply it’s clear to come inside.
Since Lee had missed his ride, Willie Randle offered to give him one, but needed to borrow Ruth’s car since his own was full of work gear for the trip to Austin later on. This leads to Oswald’s statement in front of Roger Craig concerning Craig’s description of a certain station wagon that "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine. Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it."
Doesn’t that sound like someone talking about a car that was being driven by someone else?
I’d like to thank Greg Parker for his enormous support and encouragement.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 3:01 am
Mick Purdy
What more can I say Bart, BWF has proven in the record over and over he has been less than truthful with his account of most everything regarding his involvement leading up to and after the assassination of JFK.
What really burns, more than anything else for me, is he almost certainly knows who was standing to his right a top of the steps. He has to! And he continues to this day to withhold that information.
What more can I say Bart, BWF has proven in the record over and over he has been less than truthful with his account of most everything regarding his involvement leading up to and after the assassination of JFK.
What really burns, more than anything else for me, is he almost certainly knows who was standing to his right a top of the steps. He has to! And he continues to this day to withhold that information.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 3:02 am
Ed Ledoux
Buell begs for a subpoena! Could his mismatched tales be a way of whistle blowing without upsetting the powers that be. Playing dumb, yet knowing the whole story is BS.
Bart, I like how the angle of view for Linnie Mae is less than what would be needed for her story to also be true. And 18 camera position is falsely showing her view, as that position is outside the viewable angle, thus not credible.
Buell begs for a subpoena! Could his mismatched tales be a way of whistle blowing without upsetting the powers that be. Playing dumb, yet knowing the whole story is BS.
Bart, I like how the angle of view for Linnie Mae is less than what would be needed for her story to also be true. And 18 camera position is falsely showing her view, as that position is outside the viewable angle, thus not credible.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 3:04 am
Mick Purdy
What makes me chuckle Ed, is that time and time again we see these pointless re-creations or demonstrations to prove something which might have been remotely possible or plausible. To strengthen their theory of the lone gunman. To establish some sort of credibility for their impossible tale. IMO All they seemed to have achieved is an embarrassing collection of proof that the official version is false....
What makes me chuckle Ed, is that time and time again we see these pointless re-creations or demonstrations to prove something which might have been remotely possible or plausible. To strengthen their theory of the lone gunman. To establish some sort of credibility for their impossible tale. IMO All they seemed to have achieved is an embarrassing collection of proof that the official version is false....
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 3:05 am
Barto
Why did he park that far away? When the parking lot is right next to the building.....
Why did he park that far away? When the parking lot is right next to the building.....
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 3:07 am
Andrej Stancak
As per curtain rods, I oscillate between various possibilities. Obviously, Lee did not bring any rifle in Frazier's car on Friday morning. Yet, Lee might have said Frazier something about curtain rods. 1) We know there was an incident about 2-3 days in Oak Cliff when a gentleman (who badly paid for his courage and for being brave) gave a lift to a guy saying he was carrying curtain rods in an elongated package while at the same time he was asking whether it would be possible to shoot somebody from a tall building. The guy got off near TSBD. This cannot be just a chance, or can it? 2) Tom Hume, a brilliant researcher followed by no one (a usual fate of geniuses), found "curtain rods" as a solution in one of the puzzles contained in Oswald's writing. I am not sure whether Tom Hume's method is objective enough, however, it led to an interesting hypothesis, also elaborated by Tom: Could the curtain rod story be a clever fake which could be used later to prove his innocence? The curtain rod story is very "parametric", as almost every aspect of the case. For instance, if we attribute Frazier 0% credibility (he lied in every single part of his testimony), we are free to generate a number of explanations since we do not need to stick literally on e.g. a package allegedly containing curtain rods. If we decide Frazier was 100% truthful, we need to limit ourself to the possibilities around an elongated package containing something strange, something compromising Oswald as he was not willing to tell Frazier what was in the package. And Frazier's reliability might also have been around 50-75% percent, in which case I have no idea what the curtain rod story was about.
As per curtain rods, I oscillate between various possibilities. Obviously, Lee did not bring any rifle in Frazier's car on Friday morning. Yet, Lee might have said Frazier something about curtain rods. 1) We know there was an incident about 2-3 days in Oak Cliff when a gentleman (who badly paid for his courage and for being brave) gave a lift to a guy saying he was carrying curtain rods in an elongated package while at the same time he was asking whether it would be possible to shoot somebody from a tall building. The guy got off near TSBD. This cannot be just a chance, or can it? 2) Tom Hume, a brilliant researcher followed by no one (a usual fate of geniuses), found "curtain rods" as a solution in one of the puzzles contained in Oswald's writing. I am not sure whether Tom Hume's method is objective enough, however, it led to an interesting hypothesis, also elaborated by Tom: Could the curtain rod story be a clever fake which could be used later to prove his innocence? The curtain rod story is very "parametric", as almost every aspect of the case. For instance, if we attribute Frazier 0% credibility (he lied in every single part of his testimony), we are free to generate a number of explanations since we do not need to stick literally on e.g. a package allegedly containing curtain rods. If we decide Frazier was 100% truthful, we need to limit ourself to the possibilities around an elongated package containing something strange, something compromising Oswald as he was not willing to tell Frazier what was in the package. And Frazier's reliability might also have been around 50-75% percent, in which case I have no idea what the curtain rod story was about.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 3:08 am
Faroe Islander
I only did discover this picture a couple of months ago of BWF car parked 500 - 700 meters from the TSBD, there is no way, if this is right, that LHO was driving to work with Buell. If BWF was driving Lee to work and parked this far away, isn't strange ? neither of them could do anything without the other noticing so the rifle did not come in with them that day !!
Well it´s late here so i´ll write some more tomorrow or later :-)
I only did discover this picture a couple of months ago of BWF car parked 500 - 700 meters from the TSBD, there is no way, if this is right, that LHO was driving to work with Buell. If BWF was driving Lee to work and parked this far away, isn't strange ? neither of them could do anything without the other noticing so the rifle did not come in with them that day !!
Well it´s late here so i´ll write some more tomorrow or later :-)
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 3:11 am
Stan Dane wrote:Barto
Why did he park that far away? When the parking lot is right next to the building.....
Mick Purdy
Bart, the question should be IMO, is this where Frazier parked his car that Friday morning? This pic is in reality a WC/FBI staged managed recreation of what Either Wesley has told them, or what they had decided to go with.
In no way should it be taken as an accurate reflection IMO of where he actually parked his car that morning. We do know however he passed the Houston warehouse on foot or in his car around or just after 8 am thanks to Shields.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:27 am
Stan Dane wrote:Andrej Stancak
As per curtain rods, I oscillate between various possibilities. Obviously, Lee did not bring any rifle in Frazier's car on Friday morning. Yet, Lee might have said Frazier something about curtain rods. 1) We know there was an incident about 2-3 days in Oak Cliff when a gentleman (who badly paid for his courage and for being brave) gave a lift to a guy saying he was carrying curtain rods in an elongated package while at the same time he was asking whether it would be possible to shoot somebody from a tall building. The guy got off near TSBD. This cannot be just a chance, or can it? 2) Tom Hume, a brilliant researcher followed by no one (a usual fate of geniuses), found "curtain rods" as a solution in one of the puzzles contained in Oswald's writing. I am not sure whether Tom Hume's method is objective enough, however, it led to an interesting hypothesis, also elaborated by Tom: Could the curtain rod story be a clever fake which could be used later to prove his innocence? The curtain rod story is very "parametric", as almost every aspect of the case. For instance, if we attribute Frazier 0% credibility (he lied in every single part of his testimony), we are free to generate a number of explanations since we do not need to stick literally on e.g. a package allegedly containing curtain rods. If we decide Frazier was 100% truthful, we need to limit ourself to the possibilities around an elongated package containing something strange, something compromising Oswald as he was not willing to tell Frazier what was in the package. And Frazier's reliability might also have been around 50-75% percent, in which case I have no idea what the curtain rod story was about.
Mick Purdy
Adrej,
Way earlier in this thread there is a whole discussion and evidence presented which would seem to refute entirely the curtain rod story. I invite you to have a look and then consider your stance. IMO it takes little effort to demolish the curtain rod myth. It seems to become clear that Wesley and Linne Mae were in cohorts regarding the curtain rod story and the same applies to the sack too.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:29 am
Stan Dane wrote:Faroe Islander
I only did discover this picture a couple of months ago of BWF car parked 500 - 700 meters from the TSBD, there is no way, if this is right, that LHO was driving to work with Buell. If BWF was driving Lee to work and parked this far away, isn't strange ? neither of them could do anything without the other noticing so the rifle did not come in with them that day !!
Well it´s late here so i´ll write some more tomorrow or later :-)
Mick Purdy
Faroe, if you go back to the start of this thread about ten or so pages in you'll find some of the answers to your questions about Wesley and his arrival to work that Friday.
What Shields' HSCA interview does and Shanklin's report confirms is nothing is as it seems. The WC version of the crucial arrival of the two men Oswald and Frazier at the TSBD is left in pieces.
Oswald and Frazier were not together in the car park, Oswald was reading a news paper in the Domino room as early as 7.45 am and Wesley was seen at around or just after 8.00 am either on foot or in his car down by the warehouse on Houston.
That's important because it destroys Frazier's version of the walk in and his testimony to the WC.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:30 am
Stan Dane
Mick:
I think you should write a book that covers your great work on Buell Wesley Frazier. Pull it all together in one neat package. I'll bet my fellow Musketeers would agree. You'd have all of us here for support.
Give it some thought.
Mick:
I think you should write a book that covers your great work on Buell Wesley Frazier. Pull it all together in one neat package. I'll bet my fellow Musketeers would agree. You'd have all of us here for support.
Give it some thought.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:31 am
Barto
Mick's busy at work Stan, and when he isn't, him and I are busy in the pub, don't distract him!
Mick's busy at work Stan, and when he isn't, him and I are busy in the pub, don't distract him!
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:32 am
Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane
Mick:
I think you should write a book that covers your great work on Buell Wesley Frazier. Pull it all together in one neat package. I'll bet my fellow Musketeers would agree. You'd have all of us here for support.
Give it some thought.
Mick Purdy
Stan,
I will give it some thought, but in the meantime as some have suggested here I might firstly embark on an essay style report with bullet points. I think the Frazier story is oddly unique because he is still alive and can be questioned. If the paper were strong enough may even interest Dallas DA.
And I firmly believe he can solve the so called mystery of PM's identity.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:34 am
Stan Dane wrote:Barto
Mick's busy at work Stan, and when he isn't, him and I are busy in the pub, don't distract him!
Mick Purdy
One more session to go Bart, you think you're up for it.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:35 am
Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane
Mick:
I think you should write a book that covers your great work on Buell Wesley Frazier. Pull it all together in one neat package. I'll bet my fellow Musketeers would agree. You'd have all of us here for support.
Give it some thought.
Mick Purdy
Stan,
I will give it some thought, but in the meantime as some have suggested here I might firstly embark on an essay style report with bullet points. I think the Frazier story is oddly unique because he is still alive and can be questioned. If the paper were strong enough may even interest Dallas DA.
And I firmly believe he can solve the so called mystery of PM's identity.
Andrej Stancak
Mick, a comprehensive summary of discussions on Frazier, which I understand you greatly contributed to, would be most helpful. An essay would be much appreciated. This does not excuse my ignorance, and I appreciate your patience. I will read the thread from the beginning.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:35 am
Vinny
If Prayer Man was not Oswald then why does not say who he is? Or at least say he is a stranger or a unknown guy? The silence is deafening.
If Prayer Man was not Oswald then why does not say who he is? Or at least say he is a stranger or a unknown guy? The silence is deafening.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:36 am
Stan Dane wrote:Vinny
If Prayer Man was not Oswald then why does not say who he is? Or at least say he is a stranger or a unknown guy? The silence is deafening.
Mick Purdy
You are correct Vinny, and that's exactly the reason why I'm convinced it's Lee and Buell knows. It seems almost certain Lee stepped out onto the steps just as the parade passed, ....through what appears to be an open front door of the TSBD.
This would explain why people on the steps do not recall Oswald being there. It certainly doesn't account however for Frazier's silence.
Look very closely at the Darnell frames as a moving picture and you certainly get the sense Buell has to know who that person next to him is. IMO it's inconceivable he would not know.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:38 am
Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane
Mick:
I think you should write a book that covers your great work on Buell Wesley Frazier. Pull it all together in one neat package. I'll bet my fellow Musketeers would agree. You'd have all of us here for support.
Give it some thought.
Mick Purdy
Stan,
I will give it some thought, but in the meantime as some have suggested here I might firstly embark on an essay style report with bullet points. I think the Frazier story is oddly unique because he is still alive and can be questioned. If the paper were strong enough may even interest Dallas DA.
And I firmly believe he can solve the so called mystery of PM's identity.
Andrej Stancak
Mick, a comprehensive summary of discussions on Frazier, which I understand you greatly contributed to, would be most helpful. An essay would be much appreciated. This does not excuse my ignorance, and I appreciate your patience. I will read the thread from the beginning.
Mick Purdy
Andrej, please don't feel the need to be excused for anything.
I don't blame anyone for not reading the thread, it's a mess it's long, it's clunky and tedious and I need to condense it which I will do once work slows down. Hopefully I can put it into a short narrative with bullet points, so the reader can better understand its contents.
Thanks for taking the time to look at it.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:39 am
Mick Purdy
Those crickets are chirping louder than ever, it's becoming deafening Wesley Frazier.
Those crickets are chirping louder than ever, it's becoming deafening Wesley Frazier.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:40 am
Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane wrote:Vinny
If Prayer Man was not Oswald then why does not say who he is? Or at least say he is a stranger or a unknown guy? The silence is deafening.
Mick Purdy
You are correct Vinny, and that's exactly the reason why I'm convinced it's Lee and Buell knows. It seems almost certain Lee stepped out onto the steps just as the parade passed, ....through what appears to be an open front door of the TSBD.
This would explain why people on the steps do not recall Oswald being there. It certainly doesn't account however for Frazier's silence.
Look very closely at the Darnell frames as a moving picture and you certainly get the sense Buell has to know who that person next to him is. IMO it's inconceivable he would not know.
Mick Purdy
Someone needs to take the Darnell frames as a moving picture, recorded in slow motion and then acquire the sharpest still frame possible from the set of the front steps and get that to the Lancer Conference and present them to Buell Wesley Frazier. This time without his minders, his keepers and most definitely without Aynesworth. BWF should be asked for the record who it is in those frames standing immediately to his right a top the front steps of the TSBD just after the assassination took place. This time round, "I don't know" or "it's a stranger" and " I don't remember" will and should not suffice. All of those answers = Oswald and he should be told in no uncertain terms the jig is up.
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Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:41 am
Steely Dan
A copy of Stan's book shoved under his nose may well do it, Mick.
A copy of Stan's book shoved under his nose may well do it, Mick.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:43 am
Stan Dane wrote:Stan Dane
Mick:
I think you should write a book that covers your great work on Buell Wesley Frazier. Pull it all together in one neat package. I'll bet my fellow Musketeers would agree. You'd have all of us here for support.
Give it some thought.
Ed Ledoux
Great minds think alike as I too had told Mick to condense the thread to the essentials.
We need it for several purposes.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:44 am
Mick Purdy
Anyone thinking Buell and Linnie Mae were not trying to sell Lee down the chute in their respective testimonies to the length of the sack they alleged Lee had with him on Friday morning may want to pause and rethink. For years after they would recount in a very visual way exactly what they wanted everyone to believe, even if they weren't telling us in as many words, they didn't have to.
Linnie Mae and her length of said sack.
Wesley and his version.
And Rather holding a broken down Carcano wrapped in paper.
I think those two did a very nice job on Lee.
Anyone thinking Buell and Linnie Mae were not trying to sell Lee down the chute in their respective testimonies to the length of the sack they alleged Lee had with him on Friday morning may want to pause and rethink. For years after they would recount in a very visual way exactly what they wanted everyone to believe, even if they weren't telling us in as many words, they didn't have to.
Linnie Mae and her length of said sack.
Wesley and his version.
And Rather holding a broken down Carcano wrapped in paper.
I think those two did a very nice job on Lee.
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:46 am
Stan Dane wrote:Steely Dan
A copy of Stan's book shoved under his nose may well do it, Mick.
Mick Purdy
I think so! It should!
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:47 am
Barto
Very interesting memo by W Liebeler. From page 4 onwards:
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/L Disk/Liebeler Wesley J/Liebeler Wesley J Memoranda/Item 02.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J%20Memoranda/Item%2002.pdf[/url]
Very interesting memo by W Liebeler. From page 4 onwards:
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/L Disk/Liebeler Wesley J/Liebeler Wesley J Memoranda/Item 02.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J%20Memoranda/Item%2002.pdf[/url]
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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part A
Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:48 am
Stan Dane wrote:Barto
Very interesting memo by W Liebeler. From page 4 onwards:
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/L Disk/Liebeler Wesley J/Liebeler Wesley J Memoranda/Item 02.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J%20Memoranda/Item%2002.pdf[/url]
Hasan Yusuf
Interesting indeed.
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