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The Most Incriminated Man In the World. 


All fun aside the new CTKA article was pointed out by Bart.

http://www.ctka.net/2015/JeffCarterBYP4.html

One point made was, 
30) If the backyard photos were faked, it means that all items within the photo were deliberately chosen by the forgers. The odd inclusion on the Oswald figure is then the pistol. It invokes the Tippit slaying, but how could the Tippit slaying be anticipated months ahead? Perhaps a shootout with the pistol-carrying assassin was the anticipated event.


Was slaying of Tippit with an automatic pistol changed to match the picture of a revolver. More likely they knew LHO had purchased a pistol in Fort Worth.  

Or were the photos composited onto an empty backyard photo after Tippits murder thus the need for a pistol wearing murderer.


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When you examine the photos the shadows under the stairs do not change yet the shadow of LHO does, denoting time between images.
This would lend credence to Oswald's being composited onto a single image. See images below.


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Again the stairs shadow is the same, note its appearance on the blanket etc. yet the "oswald" shadow has changed implying time between photos.

In fact the shadow of the rifle is at a different angle than the holder of rifle in second pose.

Of note is the bag or sack, or "blanket" possibly used to carry the rifle to the location, under the stairs by the post. Possibly a connection to the baby blanket later claimed to hold a disassembled rifle. 

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In this image is a black 'thing' sticking out of the fence known as the black dog nose. It is likely light leak from the compositing process.


No black sports shirt with two white buttons was not on clothing inventory of LHO.

Do the black pants look like dress pants or more like work pants?
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Do you think these are black dress pants?  


Please respond to the questions raised first, then we can expand the post to other areas of the BYPs.

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Sun 02 May 2021, 6:55 pm
Almost 40 pages of analysis on the BYP from 1978. With thanks to Malcolm Blunt.

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Thx to Malcolm Blunt.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YNmBrasPAXg7ppCSUzFv5N-vPHenKIwK/view?usp=drivesdk

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Sat 12 Jun 2021, 2:02 pm
Does anyone have a clue as to when the information regarding the BYP's was released to the press by the Dallas Police Department? Specifically the time and the date. Any help with this would be appreciated.

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Sat 12 Jun 2021, 2:30 pm
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24/11/63 ABC News. Mentions the BYP's at approximately 11.42 am




Time 43:14

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Sat 12 Jun 2021, 6:00 pm
Good catch on the evidence:
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
wife said he owns rifle similar to assassin, order in hand writing of Lee, 12.78 cent rifle is missing, police have a rifle used by assassin, paraffin test showed weapon fired by Lee day of assassination
Police have photos of Oswald posing with pistol and rifle (BYP's)
Letter to Connally to use any means
Was employed at TSBD

I've been wondering...
If no one saw him at the time of the shooting how are they confirming he was in the building at that time? (Lee's Alibi!?!?)

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Sun 13 Jun 2021, 11:43 am
Yes Ed, the Dallas Cops and Wade constantly informed and gave assurances to the press during the first 36 hours post assassination that they did not want to divulge a lot of the evidence as Oswald would be going to trial in January. They failed miserably on that score. By late Sunday evening after Oswald had been murdered there was - as I quote - a "resume" of evidence supplied to the media. All the marquee stuff. Rifle, gun, sack, Oswald's escape route, transfers, eyewitnesses, BYP's, Communist literature, cameras, and along with the two murder charges filed on Friday evening - the whole shebang. Seems that was the way the Dallas cops worked - charge 'em first and then look for the evidence.  Rolling Eyes

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Sun 13 Jun 2021, 12:23 pm
Jesse Curry 23/11/63 Press conference.

Media questions to Curry about the BYP's.

@ 27:54 - 32:15

and again @ 35:40


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Sun 13 Jun 2021, 4:53 pm
Curry at 36:00 when questioned if Lee will be transferred under heavy guard, says its Sheriff Decker's responsibility,
(as he will pick up Oswald here.)

Well how did that turn out?

Curry didn't know how many photos were found
or Oswald's reaction to them.

Knew rifle went to po box but didn't know if A Hidell was on box to receive it.... oops.

Can Curry tell when the POST OFFICE  received the carton and when it was received at Dallas Post Office and also when it was picked up and by whom? Curry might sense he's being played if he questions these questions he gets from reporters... eventually he admits as much in his book.

Forget the photos... you cannot take a rifle pic without a rifle.
Curry is a good business man and seems to understand this is not his business
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Mon 14 Jun 2021, 9:54 am
Yes, Ed, the Chief was not the Chief we all thought he was. In fact the Chief didn't believe he was the Chief at all. Fritz was runnin' that show no doubt about it.
Interestingly the Chief who knows very little knew enough to know which side the bread was buttered on.  Kliens mail order slip for the rifle was a tip off he says, FBI were the rats he says, but more importantly Chieftain also mentions a tip off came through his own minions too. Wow!
Curry knew the score as early as Saturday morning in my view - played by the Feds and his own Captain Fritz and Co. Wonder if Michael or Ruth somehow obliged with the tip off?

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Mon 14 Jun 2021, 2:26 pm
Short list of rifle tipsters:

George de Mohrenschildt or Jeanne.
Ruth and or Mike Paine
Post Office Inspector
FBI
DPD

Of course the tipster is a liar but that doesn't narrow the list.

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Mon 14 Jun 2021, 2:34 pm
Ed.Ledoux wrote:Short list of rifle tipsters:

George de Mohrenschildt or Jeanne.
Ruth and or Mike Paine
Post Office Inspector
FBI
DPD

Of course the tipster is a liar but that doesn't narrow the list.

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Good list Ed. Trying to narrow down that list by only including the liars is gonna be hard.

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Mon 14 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm
Ed.Ledoux wrote:Good catch on the evidence:
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
wife said he owns rifle similar to assassin, order in hand writing of Lee, 12.78 cent rifle is missing, police have a rifle used by assassin, paraffin test showed weapon fired by Lee day of assassination
Police have photos of Oswald posing with pistol and rifle (BYP's)
Letter to Connally to use any means
Was employed at TSBD

I've been wondering...
If no one saw him at the time of the shooting how are they confirming he was in the building at that time? (Lee's Alibi!?!?)

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Oswald did state in the corridor that he worked in that building at the time.

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Tue 15 Jun 2021, 3:13 am
Yes weve all seen him in corridor, but did police also ask that question and get that answer?
We know his Alibi was stepping outside to watch P. Parade / Out in front with Shelley.
Both are indicative of being Outside.
Naturally though no one else worked in the building. Surely none vouched for Lee.
They couldn't if they weren't looking at him at the time....
at the time they too were in the building. Hmmm that doesn't sound good for anyone to say, and none did. Well except Campbell etc ooops.

Everyone besides Dougherty Piper West, were "outside" , only Lee was inside (Upstairs) per the Warren Cremation.
The others dont care about architecture.
They distanced themselves from inside and Lee in one word Outside.
We all know how this turns out.
Films.
Notes.
PM..

So its still Lee saying he was in the building and no one else could say he was or wasn't.
See the dilemma?

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Interesting.
So just the cover sheet
No document.
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Sun 20 Jun 2021, 5:40 am
Need to contact NARA and put in a request. It is supposedly open in full....

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Sun 05 Dec 2021, 8:12 pm
Interesting technical document on the BYP. Thanks to Joe Backes.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=148284#relPageId=1&search=report_of%20calibration%20of%20620%20imperial%20reflex%20camera

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Tue 18 Jan 2022, 10:04 am
It is fascinating to think that whoever snapped those backyard photographs of the figure in the backyard holding a Mannlicher Carcano rifle and a gun in the figures holster did so with incredible foresight. These photographs were taken either in late March early April or in September sometime according to the Dallas equinox. To think it's possible that a photograph was taken at either of these times of a man holding these two weapons who would later be accused of two murders, one with a Carcano rifle and the other with a pistol is mind boggling. Whoever planted the two weapons had to have knowledge of the BYP's IMO.

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Thu 20 Jan 2022, 8:20 pm
Perfect time to have the baby outside.... just like Neely St. "balcony pictures" of the baby.
Which are horrible in all reproductions I've seen, and nothing like the BYPs especially DeMohrenschildts

Whoever picked up the weapons is the one with some knowledge fore or otherwise.

I do know when exactly when the photos were made.
It sure wasn't right after Rose n Stovall(?) take items from Paines on 11/23.
It was when they took items without a warrant on 11/22.
These are bogus items meant to elicit a response.
BAM!
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Does the time the BYPs are taken correspond to any letters sent by Marina to relatives?
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Thu 20 Jan 2022, 11:53 pm
Oswald said they were fake, he knew how, and he'd show how it was done. If you backtrack to April when they were supposedly taken, they knew what was going to be the throw down evidence 7 months later.

I've always thought too that the photos were overcooked. It wasn't enough to just have him with the rifle - they also threw in the pistol and the left-leaning papers. I really believe they knew that they had to go all out with these photos because there was obviously going to be no photographic proof [other than the photos] of Oswald pulling the trigger up on the sixth floor.
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Fri 21 Jan 2022, 9:20 am
I think the timing of the BYP's having been taken is in the detail. The trees plants and the shadows tell us either late March early April or Late September early October. That's almost a given. So Ed, you're right the rest of the puzzle is all about the clues left elsewhere as to who had the opportunity and the motive to snap these pics. The place was unoccupied - for many months and we know that Ruth, Michael, Marina, and Gary Taylor had the opportunity.

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Sat 08 Oct 2022, 6:11 pm
Mick_Purdy wrote:It is fascinating to think that whoever snapped those backyard photographs of the figure in the backyard holding a Mannlicher Carcano rifle and a gun in the figures holster did so with incredible foresight. These photographs were taken either in late March early April or in September sometime according to the Dallas equinox. To think it's possible that a photograph was taken at either of these times of a man holding these two weapons who would later be accused of two murders, one with a Carcano rifle and the other with a pistol is mind boggling. Whoever planted the two weapons had to have knowledge of the BYP's IMO.

Not if that exact Carcano wasn't used and pistol was an auto. That would be eerie but not persuasive in my mind. But lie to the public that its that rifle in the photo and that pistol in the photo and case is guilty as charged. They lied to match the crummy BYP imo.


Or Gary and Friend/s are up to their elbows and they used that BY for pictures of them goofing around probably using papers Lee had left at Marina's or she got from mail. 

BYPs are doctored on Friday and police slip them in to the inventory on Sat. 

Walla!  Lee in BY w/weapons! 


Works best if Lee was photographed holding a child in the yard... nothing surreptitious. Just like other photos Lee is posed in. Lee visits holds baby,  and a picture is taken as Marina recalls.

Then there can be an grain for grain swappable section of the image.


Lee may have admittedly had a pistol, but it was not an untraceable weapon if so by mail ordered. ie bullet will have distinguishing marks unlike the throwdown piece used on Tippit. Also weapon will be traceable back to mail order.

A hand gun bought from someplace (and someone Lee may not readily incriminate) in Ft Worth 

many months ago was not traceable it appears.

No gunshop records or documents of a Pistol being bought in Ft Worth at such an establishment 


were entered into evidence.

That may not be because they never existed

But I digress.


So, were balcony baby pics before or after BYPs?

Same roll, to finish it up? Setting sun?

Or early/afternoon sun in Sping?


Were they the start of the film roll to get used to camera, settings and so on.


So no roll of film. or stitching roll back together to get timeline???

Only a negative? 

..cut and made into a slide?

No roll of film with balcony baby pics to be able to say roll 7 pic 6?

just cut up negs? or slides or what have you.

Did drugstore machine cup up the roll? and what about non-drug store processed prints!?! 

Were there just full rolls of film, and prints/with clipped negs laying about at Ruths garage in the "seabags" no partial rolls missing 3 frames per se??
Does anyone see where Im going with this?

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GOOD NOW LOOK AT ALL THREE BYPS SHADOWS ON STAIRCASE.

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CAN A CAMERA MOVE AND STILL CAPTURE THE EXACT SHADOWS?
IDK ...

CAN TIME PASS AND THESE SHADOWS PERSIST...
 
JAKE? 

IS IT POSSIBLE THESE SPECIFIC SHADOWS CAN LAST SEVERAL MINUTES IN SITU?

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