Back Yard Photography

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All fun aside the new CTKA article was pointed out by Bart.

http://www.ctka.net/2015/JeffCarterBYP4.html

One point made was, 
30) If the backyard photos were faked, it means that all items within the photo were deliberately chosen by the forgers. The odd inclusion on the Oswald figure is then the pistol. It invokes the Tippit slaying, but how could the Tippit slaying be anticipated months ahead? Perhaps a shootout with the pistol-carrying assassin was the anticipated event.


Was slaying of Tippit with an automatic pistol changed to match the picture of a revolver. More likely they knew LHO had purchased a pistol in Fort Worth.  

Or were the photos composited onto an empty backyard photo after Tippits murder thus the need for a pistol wearing murderer.





When you examine the photos the shadows under the stairs do not change yet the shadow of LHO does, denoting time between images.
This would lend credence to Oswald's being composited onto a single image. See images below.



Again the stairs shadow is the same, note its appearance on the blanket etc. yet the "oswald" shadow has changed implying time between photos.

In fact the shadow of the rifle is at a different angle than the holder of rifle in second pose.

Of note is the bag or sack, or "blanket" possibly used to carry the rifle to the location, under the stairs by the post. Possibly a connection to the baby blanket later claimed to hold a disassembled rifle. 



In this image is a black 'thing' sticking out of the fence known as the black dog nose. It is likely light leak from the compositing process.


No black sports shirt with two white buttons was not on clothing inventory of LHO.

Do the black pants look like dress pants or more like work pants?


Do you think these are black dress pants?  


Please respond to the questions raised first, then we can expand the post to other areas of the BYPs.

Cheers, Ed

Fascinating piece by Jeff Carter. His detailed chronology of Oswald and family's movements and 'disappearances' is welcome, and raises all kinds of questions about Oswald's true character and motivations. 

But one thing is beyond doubt. The backyard photos were fakes. Backyard Oswald is only five feet high (give or take an inch or two), a fact easily corroborated by the papers he is holding. They were both tabloid, 11 x 17 inches. Why this fact is routinely overlooked or ignored baffles me. But there it is. The conclusion must be that the images were composites, prepared by persons unknown at some point in 1963. The reason, clearly, to provide a visual fix of Oswald as a 'loony leftie' with extreme violence in mind. As to when they were taken, the foliage or lack of it on the bush in the background should at least provide a rough indication. People familiar with the seasonal variations of flowering plants in the Dallas area should be able to assist on that score.

On the question of what exactly Oswald was up to in the eighteen months or so after his return from the USSR, my suspicion is that he was one of thousands of 'left-wing' young men and women operating under the auspices of the CIA / FBI's Operation Chaos program. That this program was specifically intended to infiltrate and destabilize 'communist' and pro-Castro organisations is well known. Oswald's activities in New Orleans and his trip to Mexico City (if indeed it was him) fit nicely with that profile. All of this was taking place against a background of anti-Cuban travel ban activity, including a well-publicized month-long trip to Havana by fifty or so American and Canadian Castro sympathizers, at least two of whom were FBI informants. One of these showed up not long after Oswald left Mexico City, and wrote a report for the FBI that claimed residents at a Quaker hostel near the hotel where Oswald stayed had been left 'rattled' by Oswald's visit. And, yes, there's that Quaker connection (again).

The Cuba trip and subsequent HUAC investigation was heavily covered in The Militant (and presumably in The Worker), so Oswald would have been well up to date on that scenario. Was Oswald's Mexico trip aimed at 'testing the waters' in terms of access for left-wingers to Cuba in the aftermath of the Cuba trip? It's feasible. But, again, I'm not convinced Oswald actually went to Mexico. The evidence that he did is shaky and contradictory. Was this, like the backyard pix, all part of an elaborate frame-up? Hard to believe, maybe, given the level of premeditation and organization required, but not inconceivable. Full disclosure of all files relating to the Chaos program, and to surveillance of and infiltration of America's left-wing press at the time, might go some way to providing an answer.

"... one thing is beyond doubt. The backyard photos were fakes."

Provides evidence of him being railroaded, a patsy, and at least conspiracy after the fact (depending on who manufactured the BYPs and when)(that conspiracy doesn't necessarily involve murder)
Secret Service, FBI and DPD were involved and conspired to withhold evidence. (Withheld from public, perhaps the commission)

All that'll be needed to access the MHCHAOS files are a bonafide Oswald or Kennedy assassination connection, several congressional hearings, fights with cia/nara and reams of redactions.
Didnt we go through that with Ford covering for Johnson?
I recall the blue ribbon panel, the United States President's Commission on CIA Activities within the United States... or The Rockefeller Con-mission.
Not much but gasps and dropped jaws resulted, and only admissions were GHWB apologies about the "operation in practice resulted in some improper accumulation of material on legitimate domestic activities."
I believe Oopsey Daisey was the sentiment.
Ed

BYP files and pix from the Harry Livingstone files.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dZvMaZTYbEUNtwDzdOB-rkPWikEg9Zxs/view?usp=sharing


BYP Files from Malcolm Blunt's archive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IRwtOX_gEuAAnL9PWM2EfPf6m7ygL2--/view?usp=sharing

barto wrote:BYP files and pix from the Harry Livingstone files.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dZvMaZTYbEUNtwDzdOB-rkPWikEg9Zxs/view?usp=sharing


BYP Files from Malcolm Blunt's archive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IRwtOX_gEuAAnL9PWM2EfPf6m7ygL2--/view?usp=sharing

Thanks Barto

Credit Stan Dane:


I was showing Jake's work to my wife and I built this to help better explain it.

Ed. Ledoux wrote:More perfect than Myers or Farid by a country mile.
Its 40 hours other forums would  have squandered on buttons or interior vestibules. Easily.
Cheers,
Ed

Yes too true Ed,

So here is Jakes fine work below:

Credit Jake Sykes:


The following is an image essay describing modeling work I've done in analyzing the power line and LHO figure shadows in the back yard. 


Here is the model on a Google map. It sits on the Neely house. A feature of Sketchup is that one can geo-locate the model. As a result the shadows in the back yard can be generated for every minute of daylight on every day for the entire year.


Here you see the model closer in. I've replaced the google map with a green grass ground cover, but the geo-location is the same. Note the wires hanging in the air as if by magic. It's the wire shadows we care about, not the poles.


Above we have the wires as they were back in those days. Today they are in a different location, on poles further away from the house. 

All of the dimensions in the model are careful approximations based upon the google map scale, and upon photos showing apparent ground level changes, typical floor to floor heights, typical door heights, and stair construction technique observable from the variety of photos available on the internet. I do possess the types of construction knowledge needed for purposes of making these kinds of inferences. That said, the model isn't perfect. But it was useful for making a point in studying the back yard photos.


Above is at 2:25 PM on March 29, which was when I was able to get a decent match for shadows close to what we see in BYP's. One thing I struggled to get and never did succeed was a decent correlation between the post height and LHO's height. Could be my fault, could be something more suspicious, but I know this issue has been brought forward by others in the past.


Side view with some critical dimensions (again 3/29 @ 2:25 PM)


This is sequencing one minute at a time. I was amazed to see how far the shadows traveled up the pole (six inches) in just three minutes. Also note that as predicted by Steely, the head shadow goes UP the fence too, but much more slowly than the wire shadows. The speed of the wire shadows is due to the distance and elevation of the wires. These shadows are traveling toward the horizon faster than all the ground based shadows are. Point of order: Terry Martin gets the credit for the original discovery of this shadow anomaly.

So this leaves us with two possible conclusions: One, the photos are faked. Two, LHO moved closer to the camera within the time span of only several minutes between shots. Let's see how we must move LHO in this model in order to render a similar shadow change as observed in the BYP's:


Here it is at 2:27 as that time looks most similar in terms of wires on the post. I'm focusing here on the bottom wire shadow and ignoring the fact that the upper two wire shadows are much higher on the post in the BYP's. The point stands either way. LHO is now way too far forward of the wire shadows on the ground. He is even taller compared to the post. (For those who are interested, the field of view setting for the perspective views is 30 degrees).


Here are the dimensions and time stamp for the preceding view. The difference in distance from LHO to the fence is now 12" further from the fence.  

Thus eliminating the possibility that LHO moved closer to the camera, my final conclusion is that the photos are apparently faked.


Last edited by Jake Sykes on Fri 14 Apr 2017, 1:15 pm; edited 2 times in total

Above: Photographed sometime in November 1963. The stance in the above photograph is the same as in 133-C, which was not discovered until 1967.



Above: CE 133c not discovered until sometime in 1967.

Could CE 133c hold some of the answers to the question of the BYP's having been manipulated?

CE 133c 

CBS News 1967 recreation of the BYP 133a

http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/12/oswald-backyard-photos.html

Bart is processing docs about this.
Be patient as possible.
This can answer the question.(imo)
But do not let this deter the question or your hunt for answers.
Ive seen some good discussions on other forums etc
Several individuals claim a person had the C image all along.

Cheers,
Ed

Thanks Ed, I have no doubt the gentleman above in the 133c stance had eyeballed the photo back in November '63, how else could he have taken that position.

There has been great discussions elsewhere, but in my opinion nowhere near the ground breaking stuff here such as Terry's powerline shadow revelation, Jake's amazing model work and Stans Vids and graphics helping to explain it all. And of course you're good self Ed, none too shabby either.

I think the package is near complete.

Indeed.

We do great work, no question there, but there was some early pioneering on that 133c pose question, and who had that image & when.
Seek and you shall find , more questions, but a few answers.
Till then may there be warmth in your Hale and fish in your net.
Cheers, Ed

Yes, even Groden and Jack White's really early stuff was on the money....and there were others too re: the photographs. They got tied up in the Glitz and their own egos. Shame.

Using that early stuff and what we have in front of us now we are inching closer.

I'm starting to believe 133c may tell us a lot more than we had thought possible. Need some one to get the highest res prints possible then we can have a crack.

Thanks, Barto. Looks like Derek Fenelon got there before me with his analysis of the relative size of backyard Oswald to the papers he is holding. That was in 1992. This absolute proof of forgery should have reopened the assassination investigation immediately. How surprising that that didn't happen! Maybe those of you resident in the US should petition your local congress man or woman in that regard. Here is indisputable proof that Oswald was set up. It's not too late for the case to be reopened. The UK ran an inquiry into the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre recently, with one individual charged as a result. Even now, ageing Nazi war criminals are belatedly facing justice. Just last night the BBC ran a documentary about the still-unsolved murder of TV personality Jill Dando back in 1999, for which a wholly innocent man was 'fixed up' by police and gaoled for eight years before being exonerated. But the setting-up of Lee Oswald was more than 'just' a murder cover-up. It changed the whole course of US history. Lee Oswald 'assassin of John F. Kennedy' is the biggest piece of fake news ever. Time America faced up to this inconvenient truth and did something about it.

(Rant over, over and out ...)

Only caveat, the DPD is painted as culpable in the frame up.
The BYPs are that culpability.
Of that, they are cops. Professional liars.
They could faked the pictures and claim it was simply an attempt to get a confession.
Cops lie to suspects and use dummy evidence to get these confessions.
Most of the time the suspect is guilty, ruse worked, ... did the confession letter or polygraph work on Buell?
Anyway the legal system is fine with lying to suspects.
The Back Yard Photos are just lies disguised as pictures.
Is Fritz the man who ordered them made, to break the lil commie, draw him into talking...fluster the cool customer.
Did a vendor at the table with Fritz and Oswald eagerly accept.
Or was it an interal matter?

Why are there 3 BYPs many child like theologians ask
Wouldnt this show them to be fake when put together or viewed as a group they innocently ask

Not what happened or the BYPs purpose.
Here is a summary,
The vendor made a series of BYPs with added features.
Only one was selected out of the top three to use.
This selected photo was then produced in two sizes and were shown to the clients customer.
The customer only saw different sizes of one photo.
It matters little that the vendor or client claim they are all real now.
The client is a known liar.
Vendor was working for client.
Please add subtract perform calculus or make your mark below
Cheers,
Ed

by Mick Purdy

".. I have no doubt the gentleman above in the 133c stance had eyeballed the photo back in November '63, how else could he have taken that position."

He. Det. Brown was instructed how to pose by Sorrels of Secret Service.
Thats all he knows and he is sticking to it.

But you would think to get the pose that close you'd need the 133c photo there for instant comparisons and or adjustment of the poser Detective Brown.

Brown tells a belated tale of this.
Your mileage may vary widely with it though.
Caveat emptor Mick.
Cheers,
Ed

An interesting read.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/a-new-look-at-the-enigma-of-the-backyard-photographs-parts-1-3


Thursday, 30 July 2015 23:01

A new look at the enigma of the Backyard Photographs, Parts 1-3

Written by Jeff Carter

11/28/63	“(Marina) was asked whether she or Lee had any cameras and she replied that Lee bought one camera in Russia and a second one in the United States ... She added that she was not proficient with operating any cameras as she never had an opportunity to do so.”	(CE1792)
12/2/63	“(Marina) said that they had two cameras, one Russian and one American, but she does not recall with which camera she took the (backyard) photograph.”	(CE1401)
1/29/64	“The other camera owned by the OSWALDS was a United States made camera which LEE HARVEY OSWALD had owned prior to his entry into the U.S. Marine Corps and this was the camera which he had taken pictures with when he was in the Marine Corps ... (Marina) said the ‘Cuera-2’ camera appears to be the Russian camera and the ‘Realist’ appears to be the American made camera.”	(CE1155)
2/16/64	“ROBERT LEE OSWALD ... viewed photos of a Stereo Realist camera and and a Cuera-2 camera and advised that he did not recognize either of the cameras as having been the property of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, but also stated he was not familiar enough with the cameras ... to either state that the cameras in question did or did not belong to LEE HARVEY OSWALD.”	(CE2557)
2/17/64	“(Marina) was also shown the photograph of the Stereo Realist ... She stated it was not the property of OSWALD as far as she knew. She advised to her knowledge she had never seen this camera ... ”	(CE1156)
2/18/64	“(Marina) advised that she believed she took the photograph with the American camera which OSWALD owned ... She said the American camera had a greyish color, somewhat like aluminum. It was a box-type camera ... She can recall that she sighted the camera by looking down into the viewer at the top of the camera ... ”	(CE1404)
2/19/64	“RUTH PAINE ... advised that approximately three weeks after the assassination ... ROBERT OSWALD ... came to her residence and requested that they take all the remaining property belonging to LEE HARVEY OSWALD ... she pointed out to them the boxes and other materials in her garage belonging to the OSWALDS and they removed this property.”	(CE2557)
2/24/64	“ROBERT LEE OSWALD made available a Duo-Lens Imperial Reflex camera made in the United States of America. It is aluminum colored ... ROBERT OSWALD advised that in about 1957, LEE HARVEY OSWALD purchased a camera at about the time he first went into the U.S. Marine Corps ... About 1959 ... he left this camera with ROBERT at Fort Worth, Texas. In about August 1962 ... LEE HARVEY OSWALD regained possession of this camera from ROBERT.”	(CE2557)
2/25/64	“Imperial Reflex camera obtained from ROBERT LEE OSWALD ... was exhibited to MARINA OSWALD at which time she identified it as the camera belonging to LEE HARVEY OSWALD with which she had taken the picture of OSWALD holding the rifle and newspaper and wearing the pistol.”	(CE2557)

Ruth Paine sketched the Magazine St layout for the Warren Commission

Or Robert Oswald in my view.

orangebicycle wrote:Thanks, Barto. Looks like Derek Fenelon got there before me with his analysis of the relative size of backyard Oswald to the papers he is holding. That was in 1992. This absolute proof of forgery should have reopened the assassination investigation immediately. How surprising that that didn't happen! Maybe those of you resident in the US should petition your local congress man or woman in that regard. Here is indisputable proof that Oswald was set up. It's not too late for the case to be reopened. The UK ran an inquiry into the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre recently, with one individual charged as a result. Even now, ageing Nazi war criminals are belatedly facing justice. Just last night the BBC ran a documentary about the still-unsolved murder of TV personality Jill Dando back in 1999, for which a wholly innocent man was 'fixed up' by police and gaoled for eight years before being exonerated. But the setting-up of Lee Oswald was more than 'just' a murder cover-up. It changed the whole course of US history. Lee Oswald 'assassin of John F. Kennedy' is the biggest piece of fake news ever. Time America faced up to this inconvenient truth and did something about it.

(Rant over, over and out ...)

Hey OB,

got a link to Derek fenelon article or material?

Cheers Mick

Every time I see the name Ruth Paine…
 
She was interested in Russian.
She taught Russian.
Why Russian?
Is Russian a common language to learn?
Would Russian be a language (Cold War) important for someone in intelligence? CIA?

Marina Oswald went and stayed with Robert Oswald just prior to her divulging the info to the FBI about the description of the Imperial camera and how she used it to take the backyard photo's. Add Ruth Paine's involvement in all of this and I think we can say that it's not a given that Lee Oswald owned that Imperial reflex camera.

Ever hear of lover's triangle?

Just a thought.

Excellent questions Stan.
She seems to have a proclivity for being ...involved...
Odd, a student of Russian, was also a teacher, how'd that work,.

Mick,
Thats a beauty.
If things are confusing or conflicting... make a timeline! (Ruth did hehe)(and see below)
Ruth is "present" at the IR cameras known usage locations, yes?
Any exceptions?
I dont recall, were any of the Marine Corp photos tied to that IR camera, and thee emulsion scratches? Or were they cropped and do not give edge marking detail?
Isnt it the contention that Lee had this camera before going to Marine Corp duty in Japan.
"Robert Oswald, too, had been asked about any cameras the previous day and did not recognize either(cuera 2 or stereo realist), nor could he furnish any additional information.
On February 19, Detective John McCabe of the Irving Police Department notified the FBI that he found a camera amongst boxes of Oswald’s possessions during the November 23 search of the Paine residence, but he left the camera because it was in poor condition. (None of the four Dallas Police detectives, Rose, Adamcik, Stovall, or Moore, recalled seeing the camera on the 22nd or the 23rd. According to an FBI document, “They all stated that if it (the camera) had been discovered during the search, they would have brought it in.”)
Later that day (February 19), Ruth Paine relayed to the FBI that Robert Oswald picked up the last remaining items at their home after the assassination (why did she feel the need to do so on THAT day?)(are we sure the timeline is correct in this regard?), later verified to have been on December 8.
On February 24, Robert Oswald was contacted by investigators,(why did they wait a week, did not ruth squeal loud enough on Feb 19th) whereby he surrendered possession of the Imperial Reflex dual lens camera. He said that his brother had purchased the camera before he went into the Marines in 1957, leaving it in Fort Worth with Robert when he left for the Soviet Union in 1959.” (proof of this?)
(maybe left it with Robert before japan too and Robert forgets lol, didnt Lee enter MC in 56?)
So Lee supposedly owned this Duo camera at age 17? ... or really at age of 16.
But none of the teenagers photos taken before Lee got back from Russia can be identified as being taken by the IR??? Please correct if Im mistaken and a study of the lads photos showed him possessing it in 1956 or '57.
Thanks.
Ed

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2001/12/03/marina-and-ruth

Interesting article. This one line leapt out at me though.

In the period just after the assassination, Marina had a brief affair with Lee’s brother, Robert Oswald. Their involvement may have provided the chance for revenge against a brother and a husband; surely it made the growing distance between Marina and Ruth even less bridgeable. Marina was now subject to both Robert’s viewpoint and her own shame; 

Mick,
Thats a beauty.

Trying to find any info to support this


If things are confusing or conflicting... make a timeline! (Ruth did hehe)(and see below)
Ruth is "present" at the IR cameras known usage locations, yes?


Yes! Marina does not remember who took the shots of June at Neely on the balcony - Ruth? Maybe?


Any exceptions?


Not sure 


 dont recall, were any of the Marine Corp photos tied to that IR camera, and thee emulsion scratches? Or were they cropped and do not give edge marking detail?
Isnt it the contention that Lee had this camera before going to Marine Corp duty in Japan.


I don't believe so Ed, but again will check.


"Robert Oswald, too, had been asked about any cameras the previous day and did not recognize either(cuera 2 or stereo realist), nor could he furnish any additional information. 
On February 19, Detective John McCabe of the Irving Police Department notified the FBI that he found a camera amongst boxes of Oswald’s possessions during the November 23 search of the Paine residence, but he left the camera because it was in poor condition. (None of the four Dallas Police detectives, Rose, Adamcik, Stovall, or Moore, recalled seeing the camera on the 22nd or the 23rd. According to an FBI document, “They all stated that if it (the camera) had been discovered during the search, they would have brought it in.”) 
Later that day (February 19), Ruth Paine relayed to the FBI that Robert Oswald picked up the last remaining items at their home after the assassination (why did she feel the need to do so on THAT day?)(are we sure the timeline is correct in this regard?), later verified to have been on December 8.


This is the interesting part, Robert quite possibly had the camera all along. Need more time to look at this. McCabe's story doesn't ring true to me.


On February 24, Robert Oswald was contacted by investigators,(why did they wait a week, did not ruth squeal loud enough on Feb 19th) whereby he surrendered possession of the Imperial Reflex dual lens camera. He said that his brother had purchased the camera before he went into the Marines in 1957, leaving it in Fort Worth with Robert when he left for the Soviet Union in 1959.” (proof of this?)
As near as I can tell we only have Roberts say so on this.

(maybe left it with Robert before japan too and Robert forgets lol, didnt Lee enter MC in 56?)
I think that's the claim.


So Lee supposedly owned this Duo camera at age 17? ... or really at age of 16.


Yes according to Robert. I don't believe Robert Oswald. Just a hunch so that doesn't count.


But none of the teenagers photos taken before Lee got back from Russia can be identified as being taken by the IR??? 


Not that I'm aware of, will dig further.


Please correct if Im mistaken and a study of the lads photos showed him possessing it in 1956 or '57. 


Will do Ed,


Thanks.
Ed


Thanks Ed,
Mick