learning russian
Sun 27 Sep 2020, 9:02 pm
From the IMDB entry for Martin Dingle-Wall:
"...played the Romantic Lead of American Movie Star Michael Barclay in the film 'All that Jam' shot in Russia for which Martin learned & spoke the entire film in Russian."
Sure, he may have studied Russian previously, but there is nothing in his background suggesting he did, or that had any interest in it.
And there is also the possibly he learned to say the lines without having a clue what they meant. But even if so, an impressive effort that belies a lot of the arguments over Oswald learning the language.
"...played the Romantic Lead of American Movie Star Michael Barclay in the film 'All that Jam' shot in Russia for which Martin learned & spoke the entire film in Russian."
Sure, he may have studied Russian previously, but there is nothing in his background suggesting he did, or that had any interest in it.
And there is also the possibly he learned to say the lines without having a clue what they meant. But even if so, an impressive effort that belies a lot of the arguments over Oswald learning the language.
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Re: learning russian
Mon 28 Sep 2020, 12:10 am
Well spotted Greg!
Another example of the benefits of venturing outwith the conspiracy bubble.
That's one of the aspects of your research that initially impressed me the most.
What is it Fezzo always likes to say?
About finding the light in the strangest places if you look at it right?
Pretty ironic, no?
Coming from a man whose spent 20 odd years regurgitating ( and practically inventing a new genre- minimalist gibberish) the work of a man whose beginning to look like nothing more than your average conspiracy snake oil tout. The only lights Fezzos likely to be seeing in the foreseeable future are the flashing lights of the FBI.....when the contents of his hard drive are finally discovered...Did you know Fezzo ran a porno website called dancing emoticum?
We've talked about this many times Greg, I think Oswald's linguistic skills and how he achieved such apparent proficiency is one of the most egregiously misrepresented and poorly understood aspects of his entire biography.
Armstrong, with his beguiling yarn of native speaking spook doppelgangers being smuggled into the USA along with Nazi rocket scientists, must take a lot of the blame.
Armstrong specialised in telling people exactly what they wanted to hear( he was a canny enough operator to exploit the conspiratorial mindset)
Reading the extant documents, testimonies and witness statements ( especially in the light of recent developments) you don't need to be a genius to understand that the real historical Lee Harvey Oswald possessed a natural aptitude for languages.
Combined with his motivation and willingness to work ( not forgetting of course his Russian wife and the 2 plus years he spent living in the country) there's absolutely NO mystery at all behind his acquisition of the language.
The key to the whole contrived native speaker bullshit was his ENGLISH.
Purposefully or not Armstrong sought the opinion of a native Russian speaker.
This is a crucial distinction Greg
A native Russian speaker ( indeed a native speaker of any Slavic language) constructs their English sentences in a very specific way. Pronouns do not exist in Russian for example.
I know these are generalised and over simplistic comments but they are fundamentally true.
It would be blatantly obvious if HARVEY really was a native Russian speaker.
Even if he was well trained he would still make little giveaway slips...
Like the pronounciation of " axed" at the midnight press conference?
This was supposedly HARVEY right?
Your work on Asperger's has really convinced me, it explains all the hitherto seemingly unexplainable little quirks of character...
Likewise the medical condition ( roundworm?) and the treatment that causes hair and weight loss.
That's what sets you apart from the fantasists and the bullshit artistes with their mythomaniac alternate histories...
This is certainly something I could contribute to meaningfully. And I hope to. Once the pressure of deadlines recede....
I've been re reading some of Oswald's Russian letters and some of the associated WCR statements, I think it is theoretically possible to cogently track Oswald's linguistic development.
Categorically prove he was what we already know him to be:
A gifted, motivated kid , who sought to defy the shitty odds and make something of himself.
The sort of drive( combined with a certain detached unworldly naivete , that, in my layman's opinion sounds like textbook Asperger's) could have easily been manipulated.
The more I study him the more sympathy I have for him
A genuine tragedy.
That's why his name and reputation needs to be cleared.
Of the official approbium ( most media outlets can't even bestir themselves to append the alleged to the assassin's tag that's hung round his neck for high on 60 years now)
And from the salacious tabloid friendly myth thats blossomed, like weeds in a dungheap, in the wake of Juddufki.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but if I was Ozzies shade, drifting about the Elysian Fields, arm in arm with JFK, JBK, Marilyn Monroe , i'd be more upset about people thinking I did the horizontal doppelbang with miss Juddufki...
" Lee, honey how could you? ..... that Baker woman looked like something Joe would scrape off his cleats...or Arthur would find down the back of the sofa...."
" Yes Lee, as you know I had quite the eye for the ladies myself, now Jackie, itsi no use trying to hit me with Ari Onassis's elephant foreskin covered barstool.. I'm an incorporeal entity now ...like that Hungarian fellow they had doppelganging you...poor Jack White!!! Lucky he bumped into the Piltdown Man and PT Barnum!....if I were you Lee I'd be haunting that Kris Millegans house big style...the full works...your mother sucks cocks in hell...yes I remember when you said that to Fetzer...the sick bastard asked for the photos!!! Forget accussing you of shooting me...if I were you I'd be more upset about people saying that I slept with Juddufki!! In the back of a van too!! Adam Weishaupt told me that Juddufki looks even worse than Barbara Bushes real mother..you know about Aleister Crowley and the Loch Ness monster, right? Yes, thats right the founder of the illuminati would have preferred to lay a prehistoric sea monster..possibly a pleisosaur than Juddufki...
It's that Dickie Hooke we're gonna have to worry about Jackie honey...he's getting too close...he's already worked out it was you and that bastard Greer who pulled the trigger....I'm worried he's gonna work out the rest ...that it was really a 120 year old John Wilkes Booth in a full body JFK suit he shot...and that I died in 2013, after spending nearly 50 years writing and performing neo nazi folk ballads under the name Albert Doyle.....hey look over there! Its medieval Castilian king Pedro the Cruel, Vlad Tepes and Nancy Reagan getting ready for their weekly game of strip Ker Plunk!! Ol' Ronnie Rayguns got his Imperial Reflex out already...so I guess we know who's losing on purpose...hiya Hieronymus...The First Lady and I will be along soon so you can finish your portrait...only H arry old man do me a favour for my mom's sake..no more giant ambulatory anuses , masturbating demons and copulating imps...when my mother hung it up on her cloud she had Pope's Pius X, XI and XII, Pope Paul VI and Pope Benedict XVI over night and day...you try strumming your harp with Papal undergarments flying around..."
" But Jack , Pope Benedict XVI's still alive"
" is he Marilyn, is he?"
With your permission Greg I thought I might attempt to compile the first proper English to Fezzian- Dictionary.
Another example of the benefits of venturing outwith the conspiracy bubble.
That's one of the aspects of your research that initially impressed me the most.
What is it Fezzo always likes to say?
About finding the light in the strangest places if you look at it right?
Pretty ironic, no?
Coming from a man whose spent 20 odd years regurgitating ( and practically inventing a new genre- minimalist gibberish) the work of a man whose beginning to look like nothing more than your average conspiracy snake oil tout. The only lights Fezzos likely to be seeing in the foreseeable future are the flashing lights of the FBI.....when the contents of his hard drive are finally discovered...Did you know Fezzo ran a porno website called dancing emoticum?
We've talked about this many times Greg, I think Oswald's linguistic skills and how he achieved such apparent proficiency is one of the most egregiously misrepresented and poorly understood aspects of his entire biography.
Armstrong, with his beguiling yarn of native speaking spook doppelgangers being smuggled into the USA along with Nazi rocket scientists, must take a lot of the blame.
Armstrong specialised in telling people exactly what they wanted to hear( he was a canny enough operator to exploit the conspiratorial mindset)
Reading the extant documents, testimonies and witness statements ( especially in the light of recent developments) you don't need to be a genius to understand that the real historical Lee Harvey Oswald possessed a natural aptitude for languages.
Combined with his motivation and willingness to work ( not forgetting of course his Russian wife and the 2 plus years he spent living in the country) there's absolutely NO mystery at all behind his acquisition of the language.
The key to the whole contrived native speaker bullshit was his ENGLISH.
Purposefully or not Armstrong sought the opinion of a native Russian speaker.
This is a crucial distinction Greg
A native Russian speaker ( indeed a native speaker of any Slavic language) constructs their English sentences in a very specific way. Pronouns do not exist in Russian for example.
I know these are generalised and over simplistic comments but they are fundamentally true.
It would be blatantly obvious if HARVEY really was a native Russian speaker.
Even if he was well trained he would still make little giveaway slips...
Like the pronounciation of " axed" at the midnight press conference?
This was supposedly HARVEY right?
Your work on Asperger's has really convinced me, it explains all the hitherto seemingly unexplainable little quirks of character...
Likewise the medical condition ( roundworm?) and the treatment that causes hair and weight loss.
That's what sets you apart from the fantasists and the bullshit artistes with their mythomaniac alternate histories...
This is certainly something I could contribute to meaningfully. And I hope to. Once the pressure of deadlines recede....
I've been re reading some of Oswald's Russian letters and some of the associated WCR statements, I think it is theoretically possible to cogently track Oswald's linguistic development.
Categorically prove he was what we already know him to be:
A gifted, motivated kid , who sought to defy the shitty odds and make something of himself.
The sort of drive( combined with a certain detached unworldly naivete , that, in my layman's opinion sounds like textbook Asperger's) could have easily been manipulated.
The more I study him the more sympathy I have for him
A genuine tragedy.
That's why his name and reputation needs to be cleared.
Of the official approbium ( most media outlets can't even bestir themselves to append the alleged to the assassin's tag that's hung round his neck for high on 60 years now)
And from the salacious tabloid friendly myth thats blossomed, like weeds in a dungheap, in the wake of Juddufki.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but if I was Ozzies shade, drifting about the Elysian Fields, arm in arm with JFK, JBK, Marilyn Monroe , i'd be more upset about people thinking I did the horizontal doppelbang with miss Juddufki...
" Lee, honey how could you? ..... that Baker woman looked like something Joe would scrape off his cleats...or Arthur would find down the back of the sofa...."
" Yes Lee, as you know I had quite the eye for the ladies myself, now Jackie, itsi no use trying to hit me with Ari Onassis's elephant foreskin covered barstool.. I'm an incorporeal entity now ...like that Hungarian fellow they had doppelganging you...poor Jack White!!! Lucky he bumped into the Piltdown Man and PT Barnum!....if I were you Lee I'd be haunting that Kris Millegans house big style...the full works...your mother sucks cocks in hell...yes I remember when you said that to Fetzer...the sick bastard asked for the photos!!! Forget accussing you of shooting me...if I were you I'd be more upset about people saying that I slept with Juddufki!! In the back of a van too!! Adam Weishaupt told me that Juddufki looks even worse than Barbara Bushes real mother..you know about Aleister Crowley and the Loch Ness monster, right? Yes, thats right the founder of the illuminati would have preferred to lay a prehistoric sea monster..possibly a pleisosaur than Juddufki...
It's that Dickie Hooke we're gonna have to worry about Jackie honey...he's getting too close...he's already worked out it was you and that bastard Greer who pulled the trigger....I'm worried he's gonna work out the rest ...that it was really a 120 year old John Wilkes Booth in a full body JFK suit he shot...and that I died in 2013, after spending nearly 50 years writing and performing neo nazi folk ballads under the name Albert Doyle.....hey look over there! Its medieval Castilian king Pedro the Cruel, Vlad Tepes and Nancy Reagan getting ready for their weekly game of strip Ker Plunk!! Ol' Ronnie Rayguns got his Imperial Reflex out already...so I guess we know who's losing on purpose...hiya Hieronymus...The First Lady and I will be along soon so you can finish your portrait...only H arry old man do me a favour for my mom's sake..no more giant ambulatory anuses , masturbating demons and copulating imps...when my mother hung it up on her cloud she had Pope's Pius X, XI and XII, Pope Paul VI and Pope Benedict XVI over night and day...you try strumming your harp with Papal undergarments flying around..."
" But Jack , Pope Benedict XVI's still alive"
" is he Marilyn, is he?"
With your permission Greg I thought I might attempt to compile the first proper English to Fezzian- Dictionary.
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Re: learning russian
Tue 13 Oct 2020, 7:30 pm
FBI - Rosaleen Quinn - Oswald Studying Russian Dec 13 1963
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