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Fri 23 Oct 2020, 12:53 am
Taking down the Tinfoil hatters and the nutters in one article

http://www.jfkconversations.com/lee-oswald-russian-language


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Fri 23 Oct 2020, 3:22 am
If i'm not very much mistaken I suspect that's the closest anyone has ever got to a complete unbiased honest appraisal of Oswald's linguistic skills.

The development of those skills, and how his burgeoning skills were honed.

Greg's paradigm busting work combined with the understanding that the key to debunking the whole " Harvey the Hungarian doppelganger who spoke Russian like a native" fantasy is the real, historical Lee Harvey Oswalds ENGLISH not only drives a stake through the heart of the undead corpse of said doppelganger but finally ( and definitively) solves the mystery of Oswald's linguistic skills.

Yet again i'm left totally appalled at the lengths Armstrong was prepared to go to in order to keep his absurd fable alive.
Once again he distorts a witnesses testimony.

All those people who parrot the agnostic line " well I don't necessarily believe his wider narrative but look at all the great research!! All those files too!"

They should all take a long hard honest look at the alchemy he attempted to perform with Stout's testimony.

Transmuting the facts into the fool's gold of delusion.

How much time and energy has been chased trying to prove his fool's gold was actually the real thing?
Stripling, Stout, North Dakota, Bolton Ford, Myrtle Owens, Dorothy Marcum.....the list just goes on and on...

I don't want to divert any attention from Greg's essay...Oswald's linguistic abilities are arguably the most mythologised, poorly understood part of his biography, this essay hacks through all the myth making, all the bullshit and the chicanery...

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Fri 23 Oct 2020, 10:40 am
@greg_parker wrote:Taking down the Tinfoil hatters and he nutters in one article

http://www.jfkconversations.com/lee-oswald-russian-language
Brilliant stuff mate.

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Fri 23 Oct 2020, 3:02 pm
Thanks Greg. You are rendering a public service by your sensible credible research.

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Fri 23 Oct 2020, 5:00 pm
Oh man I cannot wait to read this. Thanks Greg!
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Sat 24 Oct 2020, 3:42 am
By Armstrong's holy underpants, that is a tremendous piece of work, Greg (and Jim)! At last we have a plausible account of how and when Oswald was able to acquire his knowledge of Russian in the Marines.

Buddy Allen Simco is a name I don't recall hearing before, but he's a valuable and credible witness. It's interesting that he doesn't see anything unlikely in the idea that Oswald was being cultivated for a false defection. His blog is here: https://alsimco.blog/. It's one long page, so you'll need to hit CTRL + F to find the passages that deal with Oswald.

I'm not sure there's room on the 'Harvey and Lee' coffin for yet another nail, but if there is, this article will be the final one. We won't be hearing any of that nonsense again, I hope.

One question: is it too late to change the web address of the article? Instead of http://www.jfkconversations.com/new-page, something like http://www.jfkconversations.com/oswald-and-the-russian-language would be a lot more search-engine friendly.
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Sat 24 Oct 2020, 11:05 am
Thanks for all the feedback. 

My involvement was only because of Jim who by his own admission, hounded me into it. I was reluctant until he sent me Stout's HSCA interview. It got rolling from there.

JIm's suspicions were based on his own experiences as an army medic in Vietnam. He has a long interest in the case and has quietly been contacting authors and researchers over many years. He was once even offered a job as a researcher by Harold Weisberg. Unfortunately Harold could not pay much and Jim liked to eat occasionally, so he had to say no...

Bottom line - I was amazed at how much we dug up once we got rolling. The time in the brig matching the time of immersion training or intense short courses followed by a test 6 months later, were the things that I found most convincing since it fit with how it worked in the military timewise.

Jeremy, after finishing this, I went off to read Norwood's piece. I wouldn't even know where to start with the way evidence has been abused and cherry picked, but I will say that the misuse of Stout by both Epstein and Armstrong is disgusting.

Never noticed the name problem. Will pass that on to Alan.

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Sun 25 Oct 2020, 12:39 am
FBI - Rosaleen Quinn - Oswald Studying Russian Dec 13 1963

Oswald Russian Language Studies While Being a Marine - NYT Dec 24 1963.

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Sun 25 Oct 2020, 11:04 am
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http://www.jfkconversations.com/lee-oswald-russian-language

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Sun 25 Oct 2020, 11:29 am
@barto wrote:FBI - Rosaleen Quinn - Oswald Studying Russian Dec 13 1963

Oswald Russian Language Studies While Being a Marine - NYT Dec 24 1963.
Thanks Bart.

Seems Eugene Holmberg was spreading the bs early.

The test Oswald took was not the one you take to get into Defense Language Institute. That is the other one mentioned in the article - the DLAB whihich tests your ability to lean a new language. The test Lee took was a proficiency test - which is the one you would take DURING or AFTER study at the Institute to measure prohgress.

Otherwise, it is used to test you for eligibility for a monthly allowance, to become an interpreter... or how well you would cope in real life situations among natiives. Oswald took it for the latter reason. I doubt Osald said he "flunked".  Overall, he got two more right than wrong in what is a very very tough test. They obviously thought he did well enough to proceed with the mission.

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Fri 30 Oct 2020, 10:19 pm
Thanks to Malcolm Blunt


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Sat 09 Oct 2021, 7:57 pm
This CIA document is from Malcolm, I have no idea the significance of this, could be something...since Arnesto Rodriguez ran the Berlitz language school in NO

The following below was his explanation when I asked him what this doc was about.

Francis Favorini was a Security Office background checker....the docs refer to Emilio America Rodriguez......a great CIA agent who despite suffering type 1 diabetes worked hard for CIA....he was in a stay behind net after the Bay of Pigs in Cuba and was involved in the search and eventual finding of Che Guevara....he was on a mission to Spain when he suffered a major,fatal heart attack at Dulles Airport in 1967.....the last doc discusses the posthumous award of DIM ( CIA Distinguished Medal of Merit.)..he was an extraordinary agent......his father was Arnesto Rodriguez Sr,who was also a CIA asset (crypt AM/JUTE 1) his brother Arnesto Rodriguez Jr ran the Berlitz Language School in New Orleans and met with Oswald in 1963...the family lived in New Orleans and Arnesto Jr was a PSI for the FBI in New Orleans........

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