The Gray Jacket

First topic message reminder :

So as not to derail the Hill thread where the jacket has been mentioned, I thought I'd start a separate thread for it.

We'll start with Rankin showing Marina various exhibits of Oswald'd clothing:

Mr. RANKIN. 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Sort of a jacket?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Ok. so 162 is described here as "an old shirt" which Rankin seems to prefer calling a jacket.

When was Oswald wearing this old shirt kind of jacket?

Apparently when he arrived at the Paine residence on Thursday.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall any of these clothes that your husband was wearing when he came home Thursday night, November 21, 1963?
Mrs. OSWALD. On Thursday I think he wore this shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Is that Exhibit 150?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember anything else he was wearing at that time?
Mrs. OSWALD. It seems he had that jacket, also.
Mr. RANKIN. Exhibit 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

More details about 162 can be found in the testimony of Linnie Mae Randle:

Mr. BALL. Here is another jacket which is a gray jacket, does this look anything like the jacket he had on?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; I remember its being gray.
Mr. BALL. Well, this one is gray but of these two the jacket I last showed you is Commission Exhibit No. 162, and this blue gray is 163, now if you had to choose between these two?
Mrs. RANDLE. I would choose the dark one.
Mr. BALL. You would choose the dark one?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Which is 163, as being more similar to the jacket he had?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; that I remember. But I, you know, didn't pay an awful lot of attention to his jacket. I remember his T-shirt and the shirt more so than I do the jacket.
Mr. BALL. The witness just stated that 163 which is the gray-blue is similar to the jacket he had on. 162, the light gray jacket was not.

Questions:

From Randle's testimony, it would appear that 162 was the light gray jacket allegedly found at the Tippit site. If so, how could Marina possibly describe it as an "old shirt"?

If Oswald had worn 162 to the Paine residence Thursday night and left the next morning wearing the blue-gray jacket (163), which was supposedly found at the TSBD about a week or two after the assassination  - how does 162 end up at the boarding house for Oswald to put on prior to his alleged rendezvous with Tippit?

Guys, could someone please post a link to Frankie Kaiser's December 2nd statement to the FBI? I've been unable to find it.

It's at WCD 7, p. 381, which hopefully will be linked via:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docid=10408&relPageId=391

Richard Gilbride wrote:It's at WCD 7, p. 381, which hopefully will be linked via:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docid=10408&relPageId=391

Doesn't work, Richard.

try this
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=330202

Thanks for taking the time guys. I appreciate it.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Spectro%20Analysis%20Re%20Murder%20of%20Officer%20Tippit/Item%2007.pdf

Q87 Le Coultre Watch , is this LHO´s ? http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l2632.R2.TR11.TRC1&_nkw=le+coultre&_sacat=14324&_from=R40

Q88 Mans Ring LHO´s ?

Grey Jacket, Maurice Holman, dry cleaning is more expensive then the rifle
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1940s-50s-Rockabilly-GAB-Flap-Pocket-VLV-MAURICE-HOLMAN-Jacket-LARGE-/121114311483

Blue Jacket, Sir Jac ; http://stevelundeberg.mvourtown.com/2012/01/27/welcome-back-sir-jac/

Rifle Italian Carcano 15$

How come thar LHO has watches and clothes that are of better brands, while the rifle is a 15$ surplus rifle.

Hi Faroe Islander. Thanks for posting all that info. Oswald didn't own the Mc rifle. Gil Jesus has done a great job explaining that Oswald didn't own the rifle, and I have an essay on the sir jac jacket which will be posted on the CTKA website in the near future.

As I´m not from the US I don´t know if these jackets are of higher class then one would suspect LHO to Wear but the Watch is a topclass Watch, does anybody know what model the Watch is ?
I get into reading mode once a year, I have try to read all the posts in Gregs forum, as there are only good critical researchers here.
I have been reading a book by Danish writer Tommy Østerlund : the Coverup from 1993, he was in Kiev in 91 and 92 with a Russian/Ukranian filmmaker Oleg Bielassov they made a dokumentary speaking to Oswalds friends and Marinas Family,also they interview KGB Minsk and they ask about Nosenko and KGB says he has not seen the dokuments, also KGB think that the shooting of the President is not done by one man, this dokumentary is not to be found but the book is availeble in Danish
Tommy Østerlund is now PR manager at the Danish Medical association, and has not answer any questions I have sent him.

More on the watches here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18172

Can someone please provide short summary on what was LHO wearing:
- in the evening of November 21, arriving at Paine's house;
- in the morning of November 22, heading to TSBD;
- in the dining room of TSBD, as `seen` by Marion Baker;
- when leaving the TSBD by the bus and the taxi; 
- in his rented apartment;
- when leaving the Tippit murder site;
- when hiding in the shoe store nad entering the Texas Theater; 
- at the moment of arrest?

I wonder can the sequence of clothes he was wearing be consistent and compliant with wardrobe he had and could be using?

Not trying to volunteer anyone, but others here could probably respond to this request more adequately than I could..

Greg, are you still willing to put my jacket essay up on your website? I know that Debra Conway is ill, but my patience is wearing thin, to be perfectly honest. I think I will wait one more week, then ask you to put it up if it's ok.

No problem, Hasan. Just let me know.

Thanks, Greg. Much appreciated.

The essay which I wrote on Ce163 is now up on the CTKA website. Many thanks once again to Greg, Lee, and Richard for all their help and support.

Hasan,

I was going to post a link, but couldn't locate it, even using the search engine there?

Greg, it's on the homepage of CTKA. When I click on the link to the essay it comes up.

Greg, it's on the homepage of CTKA. When I click on the link to the essay it comes up.

Thanks Hasan.

I was looking in "new articles" and then did a search on your name which came up empty.

Here is the article for those who would like to read it.


http://www.ctka.net/2013/The%20mystery%20of%20Ce163.htm

Thanks for posting the link, Greg. Good of Debra to add those pictures.

This is an excellent article, Hasan. Congratulations on a thoroughly-researched and clearly-presented discussion of Oswald, and some of the physical evidence attributed to him, that has been overlooked. I'll be reading it again because I learned some interesting things. I especially enjoyed the last section exploring Frankie Kaiser, Joe Molina and William Lowery. 

This is quality work that will be a resource for future research, a solid contribution to the JFK case that will stand up over time. Great going!!       

Richard Gilbride wrote:This is an excellent article, Hasan. Congratulations on a thoroughly-researched and clearly-presented discussion of Oswald, and some of the physical evidence attributed to him, that has been overlooked. I'll be reading it again because I learned some interesting things. I especially enjoyed the last section exploring Frankie Kaiser, Joe Molina and William Lowery. 

This is quality work that will be a resource for future research, a solid contribution to the JFK case that will stand up over time. Great going!!       

Thanks very much for your feedback, Richard. Don't forget, I had help from you guys. 

From the thread "New Video or Documentary" over at the Education Forum.  The thread is discussing a series of interviews conducted by Mike Brownlow called Shattered Friday.  On the first of the interview sets it states

Tape One (88 min.):
Ted Calloway: Unhesitatingly identifies Oswald as the man running from the Tippit scene. Brownlow (an associate of Robert Groden) has, over the years, 
interviewed EVERY Tippit witness, and believes now that Oswald was the shooter of Tippit, but not of JFK. Calloway said the man carried a revolver and wore a light jacket. (At a later point, Brownlow mentions that a dark blue jacket was found in the alley down which the gunman ran, in addition to the jacket found in the parking lot--a lot in which Tippit had earlier been parked for a short time.).


I know he has little credibility concerning his own observations in DP as he was allegedly there that day with his grandmother but concerning the jacket; Does Brownlow know something we don't?

I would like to know if there is any truth to this Lee, but I sure as hell don't believe it was found inside the TSBD.

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Greg,

Frankie Kaiser, the same man who discovered oswald's clip board, also "discovered" the dark blue jacket on 16/12/63 I believe. It simply defies belief that the same man discovered both items, and that it took over three weeks for him to supposedly find the jacket. I have a strong feeling Oswald went to the Theatre with the dark blue jacket. I hope to explain later on why I feel that way. FWIW: Kaiser might of been some sort of an FBI snitch.

Here I am for the last day or so, mulling over the fascinating coincidences of Fred Jr. leaving his job at the TSBD just a week before the JFK Assassination and Frankie Kaiser also being employed at TSBD but not in attendance at work on 22 November due to the alleged need to deal with a dental problem. I was also intrigued by the association of the Kaisers with two neighbors who I so far am unable to link together. Lo and beold, I did some more digging and up came Hasan's CTKA article!:

http://www.ctka.net/2013/The%20mystery%20of%20Ce163.htm

I was already smelling an inside job related to Frankie's after the fact, inside the TSBD discoveries and I am heartened to suspect I have something to add to help flesh this inquiry out and researchers already up to speed and interested in what we've been fed here vs. what we can believe is credible.

Hasan,

I was surprised not even you responded to my prior post in this thread. Now that Sean Murphy has in his new Ed Forum thread, posted the very document that piqued my interest, I noticed Sean did not mention what I found so interesting in the DPD document concerning Fred Kaiser's job application to the parking garage.

I guess what I saw as obviously curious is not so obvious. What jumped out at me reading the DPD document was that Geneva Hine was both a TSBD staff person evidently trusted by Roy Truly, as well as, along with her next door neighbor on Oak Dale, a reference for Fred and presumably for "Frankey" Kaiser. I find nothing on the neighbor, described as G.L. Roberson. Additionally, Fred gave a contact tel. # for himself that DPD reported was assigned to a presumably unrelated business.

I would have passed Fred's listing of Geneva Hine as a job reference off as routine since Fred had so recently left the employment of the firm both were employed by, but the additional reference to Geneva Hine's neighbor, Roberson, seems to indicate that the Kaiser brothers had an older and deeper relationship with Ms. HIne and this reinforces the concerns raised as to whether the after the fact evidence discoveries at the TSBD by Frankie were merely the happenstance officially reported.

Sorry, Tom. I read your prior post, but then somehow forgot about it. I will read the document you pointed out, and issue an addendum to my essay as necessary. Thanks for letting me know.