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Fri 15 Dec 2023, 8:04 am
First topic message reminder :

Alyea Film, 
Reporters(?), Baker, Truly, and Campbell are discussing having just seen Oswald 

"WE SAW HIM IN A SMALL STORAGE ROOM ON THE GROUND FLOOR. THEN WE NOTICED HE WAS GONE. "

MR CAMPBELL ADDED. "OF COURSE, MR OSWALD AND THE OTHERS WERE ON THEIR LUNCH HOUR BUT HE DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO LEAVE THE BUILDING AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM SINCE." 

Plus behind Ochus is a warehouse worker standing around looking like he's waiting to go back to work?
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Does he look Oswaldish, same hairline. Has warehousemen type clothing on.

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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 1:43 pm
Tony Krome wrote:Not quite there with the ear. Also I'm seeing more of a triangular jawline with a distinctive chin on your guy. I agree with the work clothes, and I'd say he's a TSBD employee, rather than an outsider.
Right he looks like he works there, he may or may not, but gives that impression.

Again he looks "closer" to Duvall than any white male TSBD employee, and isnt striking me as a book salesman.

Who else could Dat be?
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 1:49 pm
"Hear hear" haha

Look at your best shot of the guys face, that bit of white at Campbell's chin I believe is actually part your guy's clothing. You can see it a few frames beforehand as he leans down behind Campbell.
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 2:16 pm
Hi Ed, thanks. 

Sorry for bringing confusion to the thread by bringing up a separate photo, but yes, that's the guy I'm curious about.  With this film having been seen by millions of eyeballs over the past 60 years, and in my mind anyways the resemblance to LHO being not insignificant, I'm sure someone has done a deep dive on this somewhere, (Groden, perhaps?), but I'm just unable to find anything.

Thanks again.

-Eric
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 3:31 pm
Watching the Duvall oral history. He says he was on the steps of the TSBD watching the parade, but didn't hear shots? Says he watched a guy with overalls exit a black 4 door Olds parked next to the TSBD and walk towards the picket fence with a hidden rifle?? Why am I not believing him?
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 5:15 pm
Firstly Because he is full of crap.
Secondly he tells a story too good to be true.

I of course dont belive some tale told in 2009 like its gospel.
But if the shoe fit.
His big ears would hear all this.


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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 5:22 pm
We have choice number two, just a random worker in Dealey Plaza watching the P Parade

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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 5:32 pm
"Firstly Because he is full of crap."


Duvall has at least two trailers at the loading dock at the time. Do we see these?
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 5:42 pm
Choice number 3

Terry Ford
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 5:51 pm
WFAA guy? Your man is standing in the rear, looking down at floor at one point in the vid, not really paying attention.
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 5:53 pm
Eric47d wrote:Hi Ed, thanks. 

Sorry for bringing confusion to the thread by bringing up a separate photo, but yes, that's the guy I'm curious about.  With this film having been seen by millions of eyeballs over the past 60 years, and in my mind anyways the resemblance to LHO being not insignificant, I'm sure someone has done a deep dive on this somewhere, (Groden, perhaps?), but I'm just unable to find anything.

Thanks again.

-Eric
No worries Eric, 
Yes from a rear quartering and profile he has a bit too much hair, perhaps a better fit for Tippits slayer.
I have no direct knowledge about this person, or any research on him. If it aint Lee or some known character it'd be pretty ambiguous.
Who are we matching LeftRightWalkingGuy to?

Only a few die hards may have gone there, Linda Z has done a lot work on folks seen on films/photos as well as a few Australians but not sure of their works relevance as to LRWG, as he isnt holding a camera etc.

Perhaps someone else has seen LRWG discussed.
Ask in a new thread?
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 6:00 pm
Tony Krome wrote:WFAA guy? Your man is standing in the rear, looking down at floor at one point in the vid, not really paying attention.
Looks like he is waiting alright. 
Waiting for Pierce Allman to get off the phone which is just over from where Alyea is filming.

Kinda looked like he nods to or responds, as he is first seen, to someone off camera right.

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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 6:02 pm
Ed, I believe your find is an important one. I have a theory, had it for years, and your man fits the bill. I'll go step by step. Imagine that guy standing at "port arms" at the west end of 6th. As you said, he looks Oswaldish. Thoughts?
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 6:35 pm
Tony Krome wrote:"Firstly Because he is full of crap."


Duvall has at least two trailers at the loading dock at the time. Do we see these?
No trailers at any dock Tony

Maybe he meant the old warehouse...😉

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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 7:48 pm
Tony Krome wrote:"Firstly Because he is full of crap."


Duvall has at least two trailers at the loading dock at the time. Do we see these?
Duvall had some ears back in 57(?)
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 7:55 pm
Tony Krome wrote:Ed, I believe your find is an important one. I have a theory, had it for years, and your man fits the bill. I'll go step by step. Imagine that guy standing at "port arms" at the west end of 6th. As you said, he looks Oswaldish. Thoughts?

Thanks Tony,
Flooring crew contractor holding pry bar?

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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 8:03 pm
After watching that oral history, I get the feeling Duvall was inserting himself into the events that day. He couldn't name a single person, after being asked, of any people he dealt with at the TSBD, apart from Oswald. Duvall has him eating lunch on the second floor, which I believe he has picked up from later reporting. He couldn't describe the lunch room. He spent most of the interview reciting mostly the official narrative, and adding stuff like the overalls guy with a silenced rifle. Seems like a nice guy, got very emotional about Kennedy, and like the interviewer was cross questioning him, I have serious doubts about him.
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 8:10 pm
Tony Krome wrote:Ed, I believe your find is an important one. I have a theory, had it for years, and your man fits the bill. I'll go step by step. Imagine that guy standing at "port arms" at the west end of 6th. As you said, he looks Oswaldish. Thoughts?

 I'd say yep that he does fit the bill.
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 8:12 pm
I have Rowland as one of the best plaza witnesses there was. He saw the guy on 6th with a rifle at port arms, and that's good enough for me. I have that same guy as a TSBD worker, and I don't have him firing that rifle. The guy was standing in plain view, to be seen by anyone that cared to be looking up there. That was his job, to be seen, and to look Oswaldish.
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 9:52 pm
The idea that an outsider planning to shoot the President (or even being part of an exercise aimed at distraction) would be comfortable standing near a TSBD employee (probably Eddie Piper) on the 6th floor waiting on the motorcade always struck me as implausible.

As with the man wearing a light brown jacket stopped by Baker walking away from the 3rd or 4th stairway (and obviously they may very well be be one and the same), someone who worked at the TSBD or was a figure familiar to white-collar employees would be a likelier candidate.

I thought either of the Kaiser twins were possibilities but they were maybe too young - this guy Du Vall looks a reasonable bet.
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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 10:06 pm
You mean Shelley's little helpers?

Frank conveniently finds the clipboard and jacket.

Fred takes Frank's place at the dentist

The chin is there, the ear is there, too bad Campbell covers his nose.

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Sun 17 Dec 2023, 11:34 pm
I see your Kaiser, and raise you a Freddy

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Mon 18 Dec 2023, 12:50 am
Over here we call them ears, wingnuts
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Mon 18 Dec 2023, 12:54 am
And who's name ended up at All Right? Thought it was Ozzy they were checking on, but they found Freddy.
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Mon 18 Dec 2023, 10:11 am
He's at full flaps, ready for landing
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Mon 18 Dec 2023, 10:28 am
No strangers in the building. Kaiser was no stranger.

TSBD workers only on 5th and 6th.

Kaiser, Piper, Dougherty, Williams, Jarman & Norman

Utilise the twin for an alibi.
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