Hidell: the frame was bold and ruthless

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Mrs Madden worked in the Identification Division of NOPD. She was interviewed by SA Quigley on 11/26/63. She advised that her file on Oswald’s arrest held no information about anyone named “Hidell”.


Mrs Madden FBI Interview

On Nov 30, SA Quigley wrote another report on the August arrest. Copied into this report was another report dated August 12 authored by Sergeant Horace Austin and Patrolman Warren Roberts of the Intelligence Division. They had been among a number of cops who were the first to interrogate Oswald.

What is interesting about this is that one section and one section only of this report (which runs many pages), is incorrectly formatted. It is that part of the August 12 report which mentions that “Hidell’s” signature appears on a local FPCC card allegedly in Oswald’s possession at the time of the arrest.

This is clear evidence that this part of the report was altered in some way at the time it was copied into Quigley's report.


Quigley Report Incorporating Joint Austin-Roberts Report

I believe something similar happened when Qugley's August arrest report was incorporated into Kaack's report.

Ed. Ledoux wrote:As Greg noted,
Garcia was interviewed on 23nov63. There was no investigation of Hidell by NOPD or FBI after the August arrest. If Oswald was truly carrying FPCC cards signed by "A Hidell", they would have looked into this person.

Yes!!!

greg parker wrote:Thanks Ed! The difference between your data dumps and certain other peoples? I can actually follow and comprehend yours!

This is what really happened. Desmare just made it all up. Apparently a long-standing practice in the industry.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-07-11/federal-background-checks-faked-by-some-investigators

This is where I originally wrote about it:
http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/blog/show/42973070-the-undoing-of-a-fantasist

Thx Greg,
No worries, trying to get the pieces up and in an order is always difficult
It should make scrutinizing the data easier when done sequentially or as the story was told to spot weaknesses.

Hidell backstopping was piss poor.

41 42 43 as SSN starting numbers on Oswald / Hidell cards.

Again all they would of had was the A. Hidell on the one card for FPCC to make stuff up, best be safe...

Looks like HCD cc'd 1 person the report rather than there being a person with initials lcc

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Her brother is Richmond,
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=18418145

Hidell Stamp,

Brilliant stuff, Ed.

What's your bottom line?

My best guesses Greg,

A Hidell was first.
Then A J 
Then Alex James.
They never had the names they themselves had checked earlier. 
My assumption is A. Hidell being used was how Oswald or intelligence would know he or it was being played if AJ Hidell came out the other end, if Im making sense.

Hidell was not inserted into assassination till frame was set on LHO. and no conspiracy involved.
Then everyone was free to AJ things up

Ed. Ledoux wrote:My best guesses Greg,

A Hidell was first.
Then A J 
Then Alex James.
They never had the names they themselves had checked earlier. 
My assumption is A. Hidell being used was how Oswald or intelligence would know he or it was being played if AJ Hidell came out the other end, if Im making sense.

Hidell was not inserted into assassination till frame was set on LHO. and no conspiracy involved.
Then everyone was free to AJ things up

If I follow, you're saying like a marked card? 

I'll have to relook at it all with that possibility in mind...

I do not think Lee made or signed the Hideel vax cert.

Supposedly on June 8, 1963: Marina is rejected for treatment at the New Orleans Charity Hospital,
which makes LHO angry so he grabs a blank International Vaccination Certificate.

A J Haydel or more correct Alfred Haydel Jr?

Alfred D. Haydel Jr.

Born: ~1894 in Louisiana
36 years old in the 1930 U.S. Census

Police Jury Ward 1, St. John the Baptist Parish, Louisiana

Married White Male

Relationship to Head: Self Spouse: Amédnaïde D. Haydel Children: Inez M., Alvin G., and Irene F.

FBI checked out Alfred Haydel. CE 1141
Happens he worked at the Hospital Lee supposedly took Marina to and stole the blank Vaccination Cert. which is then 'doctored' to read Hideel?

http://www.muhleisen.com/obituaries/Inez-Hymel/#!/Obituary

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http://www.sjbparish.com/visitors_general.php?id=81


Albert J Haydel Jr even existed there in NO
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Haydel&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GRid=79933528&


But back to Alfred D. working at hospitals, This is an Alfred D Haydel in 1919 Camp Travis in TX. this would make him 26yrs old here? This is the Base Hospital Detachment. The base would be taken over by Fort Sam Houston?

FBI is checking ART or A J but at different hospital???

The index cards with A J Hidell from Paines are another late arrival?


260

3.- 3x5 cards bearing the names G. HALL, A. J. HIDELL;

B. DAVIS and V. T. LEE. These cards evidently refer to

GUS HALL and BENJAMIN DAVIS, functionaries of the C.P.,

USA, and to V. T. LEE, head of the FPCC, and A. J. HIDELL,

alias of subject.



I underlined the 731 form is available when you travel, various ways. 5 cents to the Gov Printers.
The hospital or hospitals with quarantine stations is vague.
Plus the Forms Revised date and destruction of old forms have been discussed elsewhere/before.

Form is weird. The front of form, and fold, doesn't seem to match the fold on back?




Cheers, Ed

Freakin outstanding, Ed.

Mahalos Greg!

So much to lay eyes on in this case.

Sooo Much.

Ed. Ledoux wrote:

Lee would have just wrote his name at the top like Keith's cert. above.

Why would he not take his wife to a VA hospital?
Has anyone seen the letter from the Hospital that is in the book Lee and Marina or is it Marina and Lee?
from this guy saying they did not treat Marina???


Now it was said she couldn't get help there as she had not lived there long enough to be considered a resident???
I call bullshit. And if your faking vax certs why not make one for Marina from a year ago and another locations dr.
to make case she was resident for a year (for arguments sake)

But the best is from they themselves.
Here is their words:

"Charity Hospital was once considered the safety net of New Orleans. It was a place where anyone could go and receive the best healthcare available. Established in 1736, by a French shipbuilder, whose dying wish was to fund a hospital for the poor. The first hospital building opened a year after New Orleans was founded in a small cottage located in the French Quarter. Charity Hospital quickly outgrew that facility and a handful of temporary hospitals sprung up around New Orleans. The administration was taken over by the Sisters of Charity, a group of Catholic nurses who would run the hospitals along with the Medical College of the University of Louisiana. By the 20th Century, New Orleans was rapidly growing and indigent care again exceeded Charity’s capacity."

What do we have from Marina at Charity Hospital?

I think she would be admitted and seen and they would recapitulate this.
Any proof this is so?
How about the Hospitals records?
How about their accounting?



But many whites were turned away.
Not sure about expectant mothers, they usually are preferential.

Fuck it why not check the month