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Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by barto on Fri 12 May 2017, 5:44 am

Just when you thought there is bugger all else to be found, here comes Dennis Morissette who supplied me with 4 copies of The Houston Post.

If anyone thinks Lovelady is still standing on those steps while Baker is running towards the TSBD is about to get a reality check.

BNL did not like Leroy....but it is the police officer running for the rail road yards that gets a mention.
Now then if he were still standing on them steps do you really think he would make a mention of Smith instead of Baker......I think not.


This whole debate about Lovelady still standing on those steps at that time is dead and buried.

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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by barto on Fri 12 May 2017, 6:28 am

Another nugget, this time its Bill Alexander, who by all means is not a very pleasant person. I mean he went on the media telling Earl Warren should be hanged.........which cost him his job.

But here he says 
6 witnesses that can attest to Leroy being inside the TSBD up to ten mins after!!!!
Who would that be Bill?

A policeman shook Oz down.........right.
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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by barto on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:14 pm

The 2nd floor clusterfuck being questioned in 1976
Shadows of Doubt- the Warren Commission Cover Up by Robert Meunier.




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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by barto on Mon 05 Jun 2017, 7:18 pm

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Thomas Kelley's Dec 5th report points at a re-enactment time of 2:25
Muhahahahahaha

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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 9:19 am

2:25 minus 30 second lunchroom encounter
Less than 2 minutes
Avoiding of course

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HOW IS A MAN RACING DOWN FROM A TOP FLOOR WITHOUT DRAWING THE ATTENTION OF THOSE WHO COULD CORROBORATE SUCH


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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by Stan Dane on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 11:21 am

Ed. Ledoux wrote:2:25 minus 30 second lunchroom encounter
Less than 2 minutes
Avoiding of course

JACK DOUGHERTY
THREE BLIND MICE
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HOW IS A MAN RACING DOWN FROM A TOP FLOOR WITHOUT DRAWING THE ATTENTION OF THOSE WHO COULD CORROBORATE SUCH


Magic shoes silly!


Think about this...

I show in the First to Second Addendum video the entire 90 second walk-through on the Secret Service reenactment film. I noted how little time was devoted to Oswald coming down the stairs. They make it look as if he just came down one floor.

In this tiny clip below from the video, you see the actor staring to go down the stairs from the sixth floor. It takes him about 3 seconds to make it halfway down the flight of stairs (where you see him disappear from view). So assume it takes him another three seconds to get to the door leading to the fifth floor landing. Not accounting for any time to traverse the landing on each floor, that would be a total of 24 seconds just going down the four flights of stairs, time which is not accounted for in the SS film. Say we assume it takes 4 seconds to travel across each landing, that adds another 12 seconds (for the fifth, fourth, and third floor landings) for a total of 36 seconds to make it down from the sixth floor before he exits onto the second floor. 

This gives him much less time on the sixth floor to do everything they said he did.

How many ways can you spell Bullshit?


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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by barto on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 7:35 pm

From the same SS re-enactment, it almost takes 5 secs to open, walk through and have the door close behind you.... FF 1:18


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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by barto on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 7:36 pm

Ed. Ledoux wrote:2:25 minus 30 second lunchroom encounter
Less than 2 minutes
Avoiding of course

JACK DOUGHERTY
THREE BLIND MICE
JUNIOR, WILLIAMS, NORMAN
ADAMS AND STYLES
OTIS WILLIAMS
AND OF COURSE
TRULY AND BAKER

And my favorite stair monitor...

MRS GARNER.

HOW IS A MAN RACING DOWN FROM A TOP FLOOR WITHOUT DRAWING THE ATTENTION OF THOSE WHO COULD CORROBORATE SUCH


Magic shoes silly!





Yes Ed but according to Richard Gilbride there are mundane explanations for all this............. bounce

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Re: Anatomy Of A Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

Post by Stan Dane on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 8:06 pm

barto wrote:From the same SS re-enactment, it almost takes 5 secs to open, walk through and have the door close behind you.... FF 1:18


You have to add 30-35 seconds minimum to the Secret Service reenactment to account for the time needed to make it down the four flights of stairs. That time is missing in the video. That puts the total time around 120-125 seconds, minimum.
 
But it never happened in the first place.
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Post by Jake Sykes on Tue 06 Jun 2017, 8:41 pm

So these great observations about the reenactment video beg the question: What was the production value or reasoning behind having a guy in a suit walk at a pace so slow that deceptive editing was required to make it time out? 

The obvious answer is lack of confidence in their theory. There was the concern that putting a guy in work pants and a T-shirt and having him sprint through the building, yet stash the gun on his way, and come huffing and puffing into the lunch room to beat the clock would look like what it was, a fiction. They had to have a cool, calm, and collected patsy. They went with the suit and some movie magic.
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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 7:50 am

Jake Sykes wrote:So these great observations about the reenactment video beg the question: What was the production value or reasoning behind having a guy in a suit walk at a pace so slow that deceptive editing was required to make it time out? 

The obvious answer is lack of confidence in their theory. There was the concern that putting a guy in work pants and a T-shirt and having him sprint through the building, yet stash the gun on his way, and come huffing and puffing into the lunch room to beat the clock would look like what it was, a fiction. They had to have a cool, calm, and collected patsy. They went with the suit and some movie magic.

Precisely, Jake. It was all magic. Hocus fucking pocus. Good magicians distract your attention away from the sleight-of-hand tricks they pull off. Lone mutters rely on this to sell their cheap, dog shit ideas.
 
The minute-and-a-half that the Warren Commission ultimately came up to explain the second floor lunchroom timeline sounds so official. When you look at all of the times for the different scenarios laid out in tables, the whole thing is sterile and clinical. Just a bunch of numbers to narcotize the senses.
 
When I did the First to Second Series "Warren Commission Story" video, I had a new thought as I traced out Oswald's assumed path. I realized how many doors Oswald would have had to go through just to get into the second floor lunchroom. If any of them were closed, that could add precious seconds to the timeline as Oswald worked his way through them.
 
In a later video where I was focusing on how the story had evolved to have Oswald sitting at a table, I made a humorous comment as played the Secret Service film clip how Oswald had gone from the sixth floor to the second floor in just 6 seconds!
 
I didn't realize the full impact of this at the time.
 
After I finished the video series, I had lingering thoughts about how unrealistic the 90 second sixth-floor-to-second-floor trip really is. So I made an Addendum video to further illustrate this, complete with countdown timer.
 
But it wasn't until yesterday that I fully recognized the sleight-of-hand used by the Secret Service in the reenactment film. It is so easy to overlook because our focus is elsewhere.
 
While we see the actor plodding along to reassure us that our find-and-punish-the-guilty, marinated-in-credibility betters have figured this all out, thank you very much, the time the actor is on the stairs effectively covers one floor, not four floors.
 
In the "Now Sitting on Second" video, I noted the film shows the actor taking 6 seconds to begin his decent down the stairs from the sixth floor to the time he emerges onto the second floor landing.
 
Yesterday, I noted how the Secret Service film clearly shows it takes 3 seconds to descend one half a flight of stairs, so this confirms my 6 second observation in the "Now Sitting on Second" video. In other words, it takes 6 seconds on the stairs. So the Secret Service lopped off 18 seconds in floor decent time (sixth to fifth, fifth to fourth, fourth to third), and I think it is reasonable to assume it would take 4 seconds to traverse the landing on each floor, so that adds another 12 seconds to conservatively add 30 seconds to Oswald's run timeline.
 
Not being able to refute this clear visual evidence, some lone mutter douchebag might simply say "OK, if we add the time for the stairs, that just means Oswald moved faster on the sixth floor to balance it out, because, shit, 90 seconds is a physical fucking law! Bugliosi, he said so!"
 
That's what we are reduced to dealing with these worthless JFK assassination bungholes. I ignore them now.
 
With this extended timeline, I would go on to stress another fact we already know: Oswald was reported to be cool, calm and collected when he had his encounter. You can't run down four fucking flights of stairs and look like you just got out of bed. Your pulse and breathing would be elevated and you'd be a little flushed immediately following the the run, and the Warren Commission allows for mere seconds from the time he entered the lunchroom to the time he was confronted.

If you believe what the Warren Commission says on this, you eat bullshit. And enjoy it.
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Post by greg parker on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 8:44 am

Stan wrote:With this extended timeline, I would go on to stress another fact we already know: Oswald was reported to be cool, calm and collected when he had his encounter. You can't run down four fucking flights of stairs and look like you just got out of bed. Your pulse and breathing would be elevated and you'd be a little flushed immediately following the the run, and the Warren Commission allows for mere seconds from the time he entered the lunchroom to the time he was confronted.
I think that description is them sticking to the cool calm professional assassin theme first put out by Wade. 

But it's amazing isn't it?

Cool and calm for Truly and Baker.

Looking like a maniac for Bledsoe on the bus.

Back to cool and calm despite witnesses looking at him at the Tippit scene.

Then looking half crazed lunatic and half rabbit in headlights for Brewer.

But oops. McDonald initially describes him as cool and calm and giving no trouble (media interview) before later turning him into a caged tiger.

I think Lee must had some of that potion I've seen Bugs drink in those old cartoons that randomly turned him into "Mr Hyde".

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:15 pm

greg parker wrote:
Stan wrote:With this extended timeline, I would go on to stress another fact we already know: Oswald was reported to be cool, calm and collected when he had his encounter. You can't run down four fucking flights of stairs and look like you just got out of bed. Your pulse and breathing would be elevated and you'd be a little flushed immediately following the the run, and the Warren Commission allows for mere seconds from the time he entered the lunchroom to the time he was confronted.
I think that description is them sticking to the cool calm professional assassin theme first put out by Wade. 

But it's amazing isn't it?

Cool and calm for Truly and Baker.

Looking like a maniac for Bledsoe on the bus.

Back to cool and calm despite witnesses looking at him at the Tippit scene.

Then looking half crazed lunatic and half rabbit in headlights for Brewer.

But oops. McDonald initially describes him as cool and calm and giving no trouble (media interview) before later turning him into a caged tiger.

I think Lee must had some of that potion I've seen Bugs drink in those old cartoons that randomly turned him into "Mr Hyde".

I think they were going for psychopath look, Greg. Being a psychopath is very flexible when you're making up shit about someone. Think Tony Perkins.
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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Fri 16 Jun 2017, 6:22 pm

Roy was clueless as to Baker's sighting.
I can empathize with Roy.
While about to testify, Truly finds out that Baker is claiming he saw someone move as Baker looked through the window in the door, leading to a hallway, which ends in a lunchroom.


Look at where exactly Baker would need to walk.
See a problem.
At top of the stairs he would need to swing wide...
Impossible. Check the boxes on the floor.




Roy then testifies. Can you imagine his state of mind?
We can read that testimony.
His testimony could give more detail

.TRULY. That is right.
And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.
Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb?
Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.
If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.
Mr. BELIN. All right.

This is bullshit.
The films show the limo rounding the corner with ease.
Tina Towner proves Truly is full of shit.
The limo doesn't take a 120° turn.
The limo takes a normal 90° turn.
The limo does not hit the island.
The limo turns and drives down Elm  with smoothness and grace.
No jerky lefy swing too wide too late...or whatever Truly has foisted upon the public with this disinformation
Truly is describing exactly what the OTHER FILM folks say they watched.

Is Truly the root of this. He dropped this limo bomb into psyche everywhere. They believe they actually watched another zapruder but with crappy driving.
Or did they show Truly this OTHER FILM
Truly now thinks this was what he 'witnessed'

Regardless the limo never faultered in the turn, see Towner etc.

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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Fri 16 Jun 2017, 6:40 pm


Truly:
I was trying to show the officer the pathway up, where the elevators--I mean where the stairways continued.

Shocked

Like the third or fourth floor ??

Mr. DULLES. May I ask you a question?
Do you know why it was that the officer didn't follow you up the stairs, but instead was distracted, as it were, and went with Lee Harvey Oswald into the lunchroom?
Mr. TRULY. I never knew until a day or two ago that he said he saw a movement, saw a man going away from him.
Mr. DULLES. As he was going up the stairs?
Mr. TRULY. As he got to the second floor landing. While I was going around, he saw a movement.
Mr. DULLES. And he followed that?
Mr. TRULY. That is right

I wonder if Roy was asked a few more questions about this
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Post by Colin Crow on Fri 16 Jun 2017, 8:32 pm

The door was closed when Baker (and Truly) hit the landing. For Baker to glimpse Oswald through the door window Oswald either 1) had to have entered the vestibule and waited by the window then tuned left to enter the lunchroom or 2) had initially gone right down the passageway then turned left to go back to the lunchroom or 3) entered the office area and then backtracked to the lunchroom. None of these seem likely for a fleeing assassin who knows someone is coming up the stairs. One assumes he went through the door to escape whoever is coming up the stairs. Makes no sense.

Also Baker must have not turned immediately to the stairs up to the 3rd floor but have proceeded to the office door. If he was following Truly again makes no sense.
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Post by Terry W. Martin on Fri 16 Jun 2017, 10:42 pm

"If he was following Truly again makes no sense."

It makes no sense to anyone except perhaps a multiple-degreed painter.

To anyone else having a few working brain cells: no sense.

I do not see how the Second Floor Encounter can be more dead than this. To keep hanging onto it in the face of evidence (as opposed to hearsay) defies logic.

But then, if God had intended for us to...
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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 11:51 pm

Terry W. Martin wrote:"If he was following Truly again makes no sense."
It makes no sense to anyone except perhaps a multiple-degreed painter.

It would, and even with low voc paint ...
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Post by barto on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 2:50 am

This is what good journos do!
They ask the right questions, just like they did with Oswald's legal rights, they question the 2nd floor lunchroom fairy tale with the very little info that is available at that time
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