Dallas Transit Transfer

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Ed Ledoux
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	Greg, Lee, All, good news. I submit to you one complete book of Dallas Transit Company Shoppers Transfers!   As Lee Farley said "The bus transfer is the most curious item involved in this whole affair. If he wasn’t on the bus then how did he get it? Why did it take the DPD two hours to find it? How did they find out it was McWatters who punched it?"   First the transfers I have are issued for Sunday June 1959   Manufactured by the Southwest Globe Ticket Co. Dallas - Would become Globe   They are for the same route, Marsalis Bus 1213 would use these.   The book starts with transfer 019651 on top and run down to 019700.   Fifty tickets in a booklet.   Signature is of Vice Pres. would switch to Pres. in '63   I can do some tests with the transfers but they are cheap thin paper and would fold and wrinkle instantly in a pocket and would just end up looking like this:       Size of these transfers are rather small flimsy thin paper, I had expected a ticket like an airline ticket.   The size is 7 1/2" x 2" for the booklet.   A ticket torn like 004459 is 4 1/2" long slightly shorter than the average shirt pocket of 4 3/4 - 5".   Ink pen for size comparison:     Note size of original 004459 next to a PO box key.   Every Transfer has instructions printed on the back.       Which state "How to get shoppers free return trip ticket, upon boarding any inbound transit vehicle between 10:00am and 2:00pm ask the operator for a shoppers transfer; purchase $1 or more of merchandise in any one of the participating stores below; pesent your salesslip and this transfer to the transfer desk in THAT STORE, and receive your FREE RETUR RIDE TRANSIT TICKET, which must be used before 4:01 or after 7:00pm   (see list of stores on picture) Watch your daily newspaper ads for names of participating stores.     The back of the book of transfers, note booklets are numbered.       (Note:inside rear cover is blank) Question is what booklet number was LHO's transfer from?   Was the receipt from the inside back cover of the booklet?         Here is the real question: Who wants to contact the archives and see if they have transfer 004451 and the receipt. IF THEY DO then we must get a copy of both sides of each item. If my theory is correct the receipt was written on the blank back cover and the back of 004451 has instructions on it. I know the archives has 004459, I called and had them check, but I did not ask for a copy of the back! [] drats! Usually with documents and evidence they photograph and copy each side, just look at other evidence. WHAT is on the back/reverse of 004459?       Upon trying to see if its doable to tear transfers from the bottom of a book.... You would need to flip the book upside down to be able to tear from the bottom of the book. Then you can not see where you are tearing. I know your saying well you just peel back the transfer till what you want is showing, ie the 1 and 0, then you fold and tear it. It just doesn't work, takes both hands, is inconvient and pointless. You would open the booklet, place a guide(straight edge, finger, what have you) across the 1 and 0 and tear. Simple and easy. Doing it backwards is not. Only a small staple holds the booklet together, and each transfer is perforated. What did the front office think about the backwards method? I guess it really doesn't matter as to which exact transfer was given when but sure seems easier business wise if its done in numerical sequence....but I digress.   "Concerning the transfer, I will leave you with this. We do know that the DPD confiscated the book of transfers from Cecil McWatters. Whether it was definitely the same book that Oswald's transfer was allegedly issued from is anyone’s guess because the actual book was never photographed. We do know "a" book was taken because a receipt was given for it. The receipt has the following written on the back “Receipt for the book of transfers from which transfer was issued to Oswald the accused assin of Pres, John F. Kennedy.” What is tantalising about this receipt is what it was written on. What is even more tantalising is the number of the thing it was written on. Receipt 004451. I’ll leave it up to everyone’s imagination to make their own sense out of what this could potentially mean" ~Lee Farley http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17269
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104	The photo copy of 004451 and the receipt, aka Exhibit No 9, look like they were laid side by side and photocopied at the same time! If this is the case, and I suspect I am correct, then the receipt is on the rear inside cover and the reverse would show the booklet number that these transfers came from. And the reverse of 004451 or 004459 would have the shoppers transfer instructions on them. Its a good day tater!
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Greg Site Owner Posts: 2048	Ed, you sly dog. Great detective work. Can we get a volunteer to make the phone call? If this pans out as expected... it's not just a good day. It's a bloody little ripper.
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104	Thanks Greg, I've looked at it ten ways to sunday and the receipt and 004451 appear to have mirrored tear outs. Or near mirrored tear outs. Need best copy of No 9 from archives at least to make final that they are same item or two items side by side. If they are exactly mirrored tear out around the staple area then 'they' may be one item. IOW it could very well be the receipt was written on the back of 004451. it does look as if they match.. So were they torn out exactly the same? I doubt it. But if 004451 was next to rear cover (the receipt), or on the bottom and they both were torn out they would look like what we see in exhibit No 9.  see my overlay Both overlaid to show match for tear out. Could it still be two items? Anything is possible in this case. Match also as said before may mean it is Transfer 004451 reverse side and that means transfers were NOT printed with instructions on the back of the transfers in 1963. I find that hard to believe! It would be like a valet ticket without a disclaimer!! Looks like two items could not have been torn from a booklet in a similar fashion: The rear cover and, the top transfer/first transfer (or a simply a transfer sequentially numbered 8 transfers before  004459) as there would be 9 transfers worth of stub between the rear cover and 004451 when they were torn this would interfere with such a similar tear out shape. Of course 004459 would not be the last transfer in any booklet 004460 could be, unless the booklet was used backwards. This holds true even should Globe switched to booklets of ten transfers in '63 (not that I think they did) This would hold true if Mcwatters only took ten transfers with him from a full booklet (not that I think this happened or is at all likely). So did Globe stop printing the instructions on the back of transfers? Exhibit No 9 holds much to see! Where exactly is the original transfer 004451, at the archives .... ? Oh so we don't get duped we need archivist to have a mirror held so you can get image of both front and back at same time. That way nothing can impune that evidence.
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104	We need front/rear image of each item, especially of "Oswald's transfer" 004459, we do need to see the reverse side!!! Most important as this will show if printed instructions exists on backs of 1963 transfers and answer questions raised. 004451 we need to see both sides in a mirror. Receipt, same as above.
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104	Although the transfer supposedly found on LHO was small 4 1/2 x 2" of thin paper it seems unlikely to be missed in a search of the shirt / pocket. Possible, if the search of the shirt was conducted by Mr Magoo wearing winter mittens... More likely is LHO was never on a bus, never had a transfer, never needed a transfer, but one was supplied for him.
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Greg Site Owner Posts: 2048	Sitting here nodding all the way through I as I read it.
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104	Thanks Greg! Interesting we have never seen the back of the 'transfer' 004459. I'm so damn interested to see what is on the reverse! Does anyone know if its been seen? EVER? No one ever has asked for the back? It must be in an image database somewhere Most all archived documents are copied front and rear, even when there is nothing on the reverse. They should have this ready to go for us. Hehehe Again I want to see it in a mirror, so we don't get fooled again, to quote a great rock song.
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Greg Site Owner Posts: 2048	bump (we need a volunteer to phone the achives)
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104	http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_381.pdf The Back of 381a or a photocopy of 004459
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104
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Ed Ledoux Moderator Posts: 1104	Sans reverse instructions on 004459, one can safely say 004451 is "the receipt" and Globe did stop printing Shopper Transfers instructions on the reverse side. Next is testing. I can complete a detailed experiment where I will match LHO's movements and actions alledged and see how well a shirt pocket protects a flimsy transfer from crinkles, wrinkles, folds, creases and dog ears.
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Greg Site Owner Posts: 2048	Ed Ledoux at January 31, 2015 at 6:36 PM Sans reverse instructions on 004459, one can safely say 004451 is "the receipt" and Globe did stop printing Shopper Transfers instructions on the reverse side. Next is testing. I can complete a detailed experiment where I will match LHO's movements and actions alledged and see how well a shirt pocket protects a flimsy transfer from crinkles, wrinkles, folds, creases and dog ears. Ed,  they may have stopped printing on the back cos most using it would be elderly and I'd assume an occasional complaint would be made about the print being too small to read. My guess is that between 1959 and '63 they posted the instructions inside the bus in largish print. There are a couple of issues for... first obviously arises if 51 and 59 came from same book... The other issue seems to be that all transfer tickers were printed as "shopper's transfer" but could only be used as a shoppers transfer with McWatters punch mark. Without the punch-mark, it was just your ordinary run-of-the-mill transfer -  but with it, it is now a SHOPPER'S TRANSFER. Was going to copy and paste McWatters' testimony on this, but it is truly excruciating. But the sense I get is that  Mcwatters himself all but rules ticket 59 out as being given to Oswald - because as above - the punch mark transforms it into a shopper's transfer. McWatters' does say you have to specifically ask for a shoppers transfer (presumably otherwise you just get it without the punch hole).  Once it has that punch hole, it is useless unless you go spend a buck. Oswald just wanted to get home - not go shopping. And McWatters actually tells them it is in the majority of cases only old ladies who ask for them. McWatters had absolutely no reason to punch that ticket. If Oswald was on that bus, all he needed was the ticket. With that punch hole - he COULD NOT JUST GO AND HOP ANOTHER BUS. At least, that is what I get from it. The punch hole  Screw it. I'll post the testimony afterall.. see what you guys can make of it...  Mr. McWATTERS - I really don't know because I didn't, see, I didn't know anything--I didn't put out any--most of the transfers that you put out at this time or that time of day are for elderly women which get the shopper's transfers, in other words. It has got a line there, and it entitles them to a free ride back to where they came from in other words, and that time of the morning, because when I get downtown, in other words, you can catch a bus at Elm Street going to any place that I would go without having a transfer, in other words. ----------------------------------- Mr. BALL - Mr. McWatters, on this transfer is the name of Shopper's Transfer. Does that have any significance? Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; that is what I was telling him. In other words, if they want a Shoppers; well I put my punch mark in that Shoppers there, which they cannot use it for a transfer, in other words, any more than other than--all the stores, most of them in downtown Dallas, if you buy as much as a dollar's worth between the period of ten and four in the afternoon they give you a little white slip which entitled you to ride what is called the Shopper's Pass. It rides you back, but in other words you have to, a passenger has to, ask for it in other words. When they say a Shopper, you take a punch and punch your punch mark where it says Shoppers, but they are not supposed to use the transfer then to transfer to another bus. They are supposed, in other words, where it is punched in the store, get it exchanged for their return fare. Mr. BALL - In other words, all your transfers have on them printed the word "Shopper's Transfer"? Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; they do. Mr. BALL - And in order to make it a Shopper's Transfer so that the transfer can be exchanged for a merchandise coupon to ride home, it has to have your punch in the Shopper's Transfer area, is that right? Mr. McWATTERS - That is correct, yes, sir. If I am right, that punch hole has just proved Oswald was not on the bus.
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Terry Martin Moderator Posts: 1143	Another marvelous example of using the WC itself to destroy the opinions of the WC. It always has been its own worst critic.
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Greg Site Owner Posts: 2048	Terry Martin at January 31, 2015 at 9:43 PM Another marvelous example of using the WC itself to destroy the opinions of the WC. It always has been its own worst critic. Terry, I can't believe I never saw it before, but sometimes it takes a thread as excellent as this to make you focus. Here is the killer blow from McWatters again and given the Fez treatment, for no other reason than I'm feeling a bit fezzy, but I'll get over it - if they want a Shoppers; well I put my punch mark in that Shoppers there, which they cannot use it for a transfer, in other words, any more than other than--all the stores
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Thanks for the reply Sir.  Please excuse my ignorance but isn't Armstrong the one with a odd doppelgänger idea?  If so hand me a grain of salt with that please.. 
 Personally I doubt if the ticket found on Oswald was the same one entered into evidence,  not that ANY thing regarding evidence in the case is a sure thing. In my 17 years Law Enforcement experience I have never seen such shoddy work done.
 Well I have noticed a recent new interest in the younger generation regarding JFK case, for reasons I would rather not post here... Granted the new debate really would make you pull ur hair out if I said why (if you were not aware that is) but hopefully the new crowd will walk away with a new viewpoint, what is that old saying about new ideas can only take hold after the old generation has passed away..

So as a new member, what can I do to help further things along? Any horse left unbeaten?  And again my ignorance but what does it take to get a front/back copy of this transfer ticket from the archives?

Greg Martin wrote:Thanks for the reply Sir.  Please excuse my ignorance but isn't Armstrong the one with a odd doppelgänger idea?  If so hand me a grain of salt with that please.. 
 Personally I doubt if the ticket found on Oswald was the same one entered into evidence,  not that ANY thing regarding evidence in the case is a sure thing. In my 17 years Law Enforcement experience I have never seen such shoddy work done.
 Well I have noticed a recent new interest in the younger generation regarding JFK case, for reasons I would rather not post here... Granted the new debate really would make you pull ur hair out if I said why (if you were not aware that is) but hopefully the new crowd will walk away with a new viewpoint, what is that old saying about new ideas can only take hold after the old generation has passed away..

So as a new member, what can I do to help further things along? Any horse left unbeaten?  And again my ignorance but what does it take to get a front/back copy of this transfer ticket from the archives?

Yes, that's Armstrong. Salt passed.

Most here believe the same about the ticket. The one in evidence came off McWatters' bus via one of the cops would be our consensus.

I'm game. Don't know anything about any new debate among a younger generation.

What can you do? Greg, it would be great if you could start a thread or two giving your taken on why the investigation was so shoddy in specific areas. The trap for laymen is often in substituting our own perception of "common sense" where we have gaps in knowledge - e.g. in law enforcement procedures. Sometimes that turns into a complete mismatch. 

As for how to obtain a copy of the ticket -- our two experts on that are Terry Martin and Frankie Vegas - maybe one of them can contact you via a PM here?

Welcome to the forum, Greg. You've come to the right place.

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Welcome to the forum, Greg. You've come to the right place.

Thank you, I'm glad to be here. I just hope I can find in some way something to bring to the table, it is very hard to find any area of study in this case that hasn't been flogged to death..I just hope you all will tolerate me until something new does break (assuming it ever does)

Regarding this ticket, based on what information I have seen and read, there would be know way this would have ever been allowed in a courtroom in my opinion, If Oswald would have lived.. The non existent evidence collection protocols and chain of custody does not bode well with these items.

Above is the back of my ticket, it has instructions. shoppers transfer instructions.

Welcome to ROKC,Greg.

Aloha Mr Martin,

Mr Parker has surmised the company was asked to stop printing instructions on the reverse, as it is very small print.
Possibly the instructions were added as signage inside the bus, although I have not seen such, and or was printed in the newspapers. Perhaps you can find why the instructions are lacking from 004459's reverse.
Perhaps ask Globe or Dallas Trans.
So far we only see a reverse of a transfer that should have written instructions, much like a valet ticket with disclaimers, etc.

Cheers,Ed

William Whaley still pic from French JFK Assassination docu LE DOSSIER KENNEDY from 1966

When Cecil got to the Majestic Theater he said he had to stop and kill a minute, sounds like a euphemism.
So Cecil answers the call of nature at the theater. He does so as he needs to time his drive by the bus checker.
Cecil would park open the door go inside to use the loo, but, did he take the transfers off the cutter?
Or could have Milton Jones helped himself to one while he was "ALONE" on the bus.

How early was Cecil that day?

I thought about it and think Cecil wasn't trying to get through downtown quickly. The parade was late, he had to know this at the theater chatting with other Transit employees, so the delay may of had Cecil in bind as he would not be allowed to cross Record on Elm due to parade on Houston to Elm.

But Cecil would be having a light load inbound, not having to pick up more than 5 riders coming through town, seems he would shave time at every empty in bound stop from Anita to Lakewood Center to the Elm street Theater.
30 seconds a stop? that would add up. More than 10 minutes.

I had thought Oswald would walk to the Majestic to see a film, only thing being the shoe shopping Marina and Ruth were to do, leads on to believe the shopping and Lee's ride to the Paine's would be one in the same.

I still think Lee was waiting for Marina.
The claim he went and sat next to a pregnant woman or woman with a baby or child is odd.
What new mother goes to see WAR IS HELL?

Okay maybe she thought it would put the baby to sleep, gun fire and explosions, ... hey it was Dallas!!
Anyways the whole ordeal needs a fresh coat of paint as its peeling away.

And the Reed bus photos,

I am pretty sure the last bus is not the Marsalis Bus 1213, but the Beckley Bus.
If the advertisement has not changed between 11/22 and the photos by FBI ... yes I know what are the odds... then that bus has different image or text on its advert signage.

Will Fritz's Notes,

First, he is starting the interrogation by asking Lee about a bus ride, this is Saturday 11/23 second interrogation of the day

Secondly, Will says Lee says: he got off the bus after seeing jam.
But if we believe the story Lee was getting on a bus stuck in the middle of an 'intersection'.
He is getting on the bus in a jam... a smart bus rider would likely be asking for a transfer then as the likely hood is one will be exiting if the bus doesn't un-jam itself. Also Lee has just walked past the blocked intersection of Houston and Elm, how was this going to help his escape back through this same intersection?
If he had hopped aboard at that intersection then it would make more sense, or less ridiculous.
Of course the bus did get through this jam and went to Oak Cliff, how long it was delayed is of import.

Third, I can only see it being Hugh Aynesworth to decide Lee took a cab from a bus.
At this second day interrogation I think the Porter Bledsoe call had filtered its way to Fritz's attention to be used to shake Lee's bus ride singular. But before that there was the Odell call which did have a man looking like Oswald getting on and off a bus downtown giving details of the murder.

Fourth, Will says Lee says: "got trans same out of pocket"

Seems this is when the transfer comes into question and change in stories supposedly by Lee would be happening.
Saturday. Not after 4:05 Friday johnny come lately finds of bullets and bus receipts.
Would it be do to the finding of a transfer in the clothing Lee rode the bus home wearing, got changed leaving that useless to him transfer in his pocket, thus explaining Sat why they had found such a bus pass in his clothing at his residence.

"Changed shirts + tr."

Shirts plural, sounds like he changed under shirt as well as outer shirt and his pants
Not a thing about that pesky grey/white/light blue/tan JACKET?

But this discussion centers around a bus pass, in a pocket, then goes to PO boxes, Buell, and the package, back to bus and now a cab, back to where the transfer would likely be located, in his work clothes.

Aloha Greg Martin!
Thanks for the question,

I am giving a talk on the subject and hope to delve into the whole Transfer tale soon.
But for now yes the back of the 004459 transfer was photographed by FBI, not by DPD , was shown supposedly to Cecil at 6:30? then it was sent to DC friday night, and again photographed etc. in the Archives.

No One in Dallas could see that transfer while it was in DC at FBI lab.
Friday night or thereafter. May have been returned with other evidence to DPD but have not seen proof yet.
Before that it was in an envelope marked by Boyd and Sims 4:05pm.
Even Bugliosi has the find at 4:10 pm by Boyd-Sims.
Sims stating he is one whom found transfer in the shirt but can not recall which of the two pockets.
His partner, EL Boyd finds five bullets and they put those in the same envelope as the transfer.  

These are the same guys whom have Oswald wearing his ID bracelet till after 8:55pm!
Mr. BALL. Did you see any identification bracelet on Oswald?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; he had an identification bracelet.
Mr. BALL. Did he have that on at the time of the showup?
Mr. SIMS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever remove that?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; when they were getting his paraffin cast on his hands.
Mr. BALL. And what did you do with that identification bracelet?
Mr. SIMS. I placed it in the property room cardsheet.
Mr. BALL. Did you examine that identification bracelet?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did it have on it, if you remember?
Mr. SIMS. It had his name on it.
Mr. BALL. And what was it made out of? What material?
Mr. SIMS. It was, I guess, sterling silver. It was a regular G.I. identification bracelet with a chain and then his nameplate across the top.
Mr. BALL. Now, we are up to the time after the last showup when Mr. Clements interrogated Oswald for about half an hour; what happened after the interrogation by Mr. Clements?
Mr. SIMS. At 8:55 Detective Johnny Hicks and R. L. Studebaker of the crime lab came to Captain Fritz' office.
Mr. BALL. What did they do?
Mr. SIMS. Hicks fingerprinted Oswald and then Sgt. Pete Barnes came in.
Mr. BALL. What is his name?
Mr. SIMS. Pete Barnes. He is working with the crime lab also.
Mr. BALL.. And what did Barnes do?
Mr. SIMS. Well, he may have assisted in the fingerprinting--I don't know for sure.
Mr. BALL. Is he a crime lab man also?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir, and then shortly later, Capt. George Doughty came in, he's in charge of the crime lab.
Mr. BALL. And what did he do?
Mr. SIMS. He just stayed a few minutes.
Mr. BALL. How do you spell his name?
Mr. SIMS. (spelling). D-o-u-g-h-t-y--George Doughty.
Mr. BALL. Now, did they make paraffin tests?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. They made casts at that time?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.

Quite extraordinary allowing him to be searched repetitiously where Lee sheds more and more evidence, finally the shirt he is wearing as a jet is flying down a runway and an FBI agent running for its tail... or some such nonsense.
But anyhow.
There is no instructions on that transfer's back pinned on Oswald.
This may be correct but we are only shown a photo copy of the "receipt" for the transfers (or the top transfer 004451) with Cecils badge number 195? on rear. ,
never any other supporting items are entered into the record, even though Cecil brings them and shows the Commissioners how the transfers work those items are not preserved or entered as commission exhibits.
Likely instructions were not printed on ticket backs in the sixties for whatever reason...
But we are not in possession of other supporting evidence.

Stuart L Reed would be following Lee if Lee took Beckley bus to Jefferson and then walked over to theater. Along the way I could imagine a scenario where Lee saw Reed camera in hand taking photos of him or his transport, wondering who this guy is following him taking pictures.
I could see Lee 'ducking' into the shoe store entry or theater to try and ditch Reed.
A possible scenario. & Thanks to Reed for these photos!

First bus through is Cecil's bus and second bus going through the lane opened up past Market is Beckley 22 and would stop where Lee was said to have gotten on per rumor at the TSBD.

The 30 bus

11/22/63  After that, Curry said, it is known that Oswald descended and left the building on foot.

… Somehow - Curry doesn't know - Oswald reached the Oak Cliff section, across the Trinity River from downtown Dallas.  AP, 1:50 p.m. CST Peggy Simpson


11/23/63  Dallas - The police chief said that as far as the police know, Oswald does not own an automobile.

The police chief said it was still uncertain how Oswald reached the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.

"He left on foot from the building.  Someone said they saw a man pick him up [in a car] but Oswald had a bus transfer slip in his pocket when arrested," Curry said.  AP, 11:17 am CST, Peggy Simpson


11/23/63   Homicide Captain Will Fritz said Oswald had told police he caught a bus when he left the Depository Building, decided the bus was too slow and switched to a taxicab.  He went to his rooming house in Oak Cliff, changed clothing and decided to go to a movie.  3:07 p.m. CST – [Sub for "Somehow ... downtown Dallas"] AP, 3:07 p.m. CST


Curry still had a car story afloat on Saturday and not even the bus transfer appearance itself on Friday would deter him.

Thanks to Bart for showing me this schism in a new light!!!!

First interrogation 2:20pm - 4:05pm  Friday

At 3:07 pm Saturday AP reporters report Fritz's bus and taxi tale.

When was that envelope marked by Boyd and Sims for the bus transfer find??


4:05pm Friday

Cheers, Ed

Whaling On Whaley by Ed Ledoux
http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/rokc%20forum/www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13142746-whaling-on-whaley.html

"he claim he went and sat next to a pregnant woman or woman with a baby or child is odd.
What new mother goes to see WAR IS HELL?

Okay maybe she thought it would put the baby to sleep, gun fire and explosions, ... hey it was Dallas!! "




Buhahahaha that made me spit out some food on my keyboard ha ha ha

The police chief said it was still uncertain how Oswald reached the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
 
"He left on foot from the building.  Someone said they saw a man pick him up [in a car] but Oswald had a bus transfer slip in his pocket when arrested," Curry said.  AP, 11:17 am CST, Peggy Simpson

 
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https://www.giljesus.com/the-cab-ride.html

12/7/63            Dallas - Oswald slipped out of the building and into the frightened crowd.  He worked his way through the milling mob, went a block north, turned right on Pacific Street and walked briskly for six blocks to Griffin Street.
 
It was 12:40 p.m.
 
He tapped on the door of a Marsalis Street bus which was stalled in the traffic. It wasn't a regular stop but the driver, C. J. McWatters, opened the door.  Oswald took the third chair from the front on the right.  He would get a good view of the scene of the crime as the bus passed Houston and Elm.  There were only about five other passengers.
 
The bus inched ahead a block and at 12:44 p.m. the driver of a traffic blocked car jumped out and ran toward the bus.  He wanted to tell somebody, so he told McWatters.
 
"The President's been shot!"
 
Oswald said nothing.  In a moment he stood up, asked the driver for a transfer and got off.  It was 12:46 p.m.
 
He crossed the street and hurried two blocks south to Commerce Street and jumped into a cab parked at the Greyhound Bus Depot.  "Take me to 500 North Beckley," he ordered.
 
Cabbie William Whaley started on a zig-zag course, trying to escape the traffic.  "What the hell you think happened out there?" he said  Whaley hadn't heard.  Oswald didn't tell him.  Neither spoke the rest of the trip.
 

It was 1 p.m.  AP, Jules Loh, 9:39 p.m. CST

Ed's talk with me about the bus transfer, hosted by Rob Clark of the Lone Gunman Podcast.

I have to say, I only agree with about 99.8% of it. That's going to disappoint Brian who may take it as a sign you guys are in revolt.

But getting down to the nitty-gritty... and at risk of charges of bias, I also have to say, it was bloody brilliant. The whole thing. Both of you. In fact, may be the most informative AND entertaining JFK podcast ever.

And completely nailed in those last few minutes. The whole story really is a sham and does only hold up if you don't go below the surface. And that's basically from September on...

Thanks Greg, it was just good fun to do and thanks to Rob for providing the canvas.

Very very good. Enjoyed it enormously.

Top notch podcast.

Thanks Mick and Paul.