Did Oswald deny living at 1026 N Beckley?

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Did Oswald deny living at 1026 N Beckley?





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According to Jim Leavelle he did. Casting his mind back 50 years once more, Jim recalls how Oswald began to spin lies during his interviews. “He gave me a phoney address,” he says. “And even though we had so many witnesses he denied any involvement in the murder of Tippit – but that was all about him setting up his alibi.”   http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/james-leavelle-arrested-jfk-assassin-2711431 Let me state at the outset that I think Leavelle is full of shit - even if he is a good ol' Texas boy wearing a friggin Stetson (yes I hear it all the time. So and so is telling the truth... he's a good old-fashioned Texan, straight as an arrow). Leavelle claimed in this interview that he inerrogated Oswald prior to handing him over to Fritz. But there is not a skerrick of support for that. Nothing. Yet it is more than possible that Oswald denied living at 1026 N. Beckley. I mean, that's just one question - hardly an interrogation.  And tho Leavelle bats it aside as part of Oswald's devious scheme to have an alibi for Tippit (hey, I wasn't in that area - I live at_____________) what if it was the truth?

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greg parker wrote:Oswald could not be  said to be missing until after the completion of the lunch break at 12:45. And even then, he could not be said to be "missing" because no one was being allowed back in. Among any checks made for him would HAVE to be those front steps, in case he was waiting until he could be let in. 

Oswald did not depart until at 12:45, imo. If he was not inside after that time or alternatively, not on the steps unable to get in, then he could be officially said to be missing.

And 12:45—15 long minutes after the assassination—would be ample time enough to conclude that nothing further would be done that day, so leaving work would be logical. As he told his interrogators.

Stan Dane wrote:

greg parker wrote:Oswald could not be  said to be missing until after the completion of the lunch break at 12:45. And even then, he could not be said to be "missing" because no one was being allowed back in. Among any checks made for him would HAVE to be those front steps, in case he was waiting until he could be let in. 

Oswald did not depart until at 12:45, imo. If he was not inside after that time or alternatively, not on the steps unable to get in, then he could be officially said to be missing.

And 12:45—15 long minutes after the assassination—would be ample time enough to conclude that nothing further would be done that day, so leaving work would be logical. As he told his interrogators.

Damn straight. Truly reported Oswald missing possibly as early as 12.50pm. Handing over the Irving address details at that time.
Oswald was never missing, we know that. 
Now I wonder what else Truly chatted to Fritz about whilst telling him about the missing boy.

I  think Truly said fck all at that time. This was all concocted in the evening.

And yes the Martin  film shows Williams, Garcia and Lovelady on the steps and this was taken between 12:50-13:00

From Fritz' WC testimony:


Mr. BALL. Some officer told you that he thought this man had a room on Beckley?

Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Had he been brought into the station by that time?

Mr. FRITZ. He was at the station when we got there, you know.

Mr. BALL. He was?

Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; so then I talked to him and  I asked him where his room was on Beckley.

Mr. BALL. Then you started to interrogate Oswald, did you?

Mr. FRITZ. yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. And you called him into your room?

Mr. FRITZ Yes, sir.


According to Fritz' testimony this knowledge of the room at N Beckley is before detectives were dispatched to Irving.
It also suggests that Fritz may have known of the Beckley address before he started his initial interrogation/interview of Oswald.

Or did Fritz make this up, lie about how he got to know of the N Beckley address?

Remember Fritz had been shown the rifle in at the TSBD and had been given the Irving address for Oswald by Roy Truly. Remember too that Fritz was told the suspect was on his way to Police HQ. Fritz initially wanted to attend the Irving address himself with Sims and Boyd. Something changed his mind. 

Decker got word to Fritz that he wanted to see him in his office. Whatever happened or was said in that meeting Fritz had a change of plan afterward. He went straight onto his office and interviewed Oswald in room 317 and did not attend the Irving address with Sims and Boyd but rather sent several other officers out to Irving.

Was it Decker who told Fritz about the N beckley address?

Sims WC testimony:

Mr. BALL. Now, you left the building about what time? 
Mr. SIMS. Well, we arrived at the city hall around 2 o'clock--I'll have to look at the record---on this--about 2:15--we left there evidently about 2 o'clock. 
Mr. BALL. You and who? 
Mr. SIMS. Captain Fritz and Boyd. 
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go? 
Mr. SIMS. Captain Fritz went over and talked to Sheriff Decker. He sent word he wanted to talk to Captain Fritz, so we talked to the sheriff and then we went to the city hall. 
Mr. BALL. Where was Decker when he said he wanted to talk to Fritz? 
Mr. SIMS. Well, I didn't go inside the sheriff's office--I stayed out in the corridor there. 
Mr. BALL. The sheriff's office is just a half a block from the Texas School Depository Building? 
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; it's across the street. 
Mr. BALL. And the city hall where your office, the police offices are located, is how far from the corner of Elm and Houston? 
Mr. SIMS. Well, that's the 500 block there and the city hall is, let's see, in the 2000 block, I believe, so it would be 15 blocks. 
Mr. BALL. A couple of miles--a mile and a half? 
Mr. SIMS. I don't know what it is. 
Mr. BALL. When you went back to your offices, was Fritz there at that time? 
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; he went back with Boyd and I. 
Mr. BALL. After you left Decker's? 
Mr. SIMS. He went back with Boyd and I. 




http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sims.htm

Fantastic reports Bart!.
Those banana peels must be same ones Aynesworth claimed were still in the trash can.
Mexican ashtray somehow survived the pillage too ....
Dougherty was at DPD while Lee is brought in. Should scour films for JD candidates.
Then Arce and JD didnt know Oswald's name. Classic.
Cheers, Ed

Ed. Ledoux wrote:Fantastic reports Bart!.
Those banana peels must be same ones Aynesworth claimed were still in the trash can.
Mexican ashtray somehow survived the pillage too ....
Dougherty was at DPD while Lee is brought in. Should scour films for JD candidates.
Then Arce and JD didnt know Oswald's name. Classic.
Cheers, Ed

Those banana peels went missing from the evidence inventory because Aynesworth dried them out and smoked them.

Hence the Mexican ashtray

Edward Rocca.
Do we have an photo of him?
Cheers, Ed

Litchfield possibly observed Larry Crafard....?
Acne pock marks... sounds like Crafard.

https://www.tpaak.com/tpaak-blog/2016/8/4/assertions-of-association

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barto wrote:http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/rokc%20forum/www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13143758-beckley-back-alley-.html

Oswald apparently didn’t have any clothes in his small room. “Just a few pieces,” said the housekeeper, “but he had a big zipper bag he stuffed things into.”


She said he liked to read Westerns, but she had never noted any mail, pictures, addresses and such when she cleaned up.


So where were all these Westerns that he read? And wasn't his address book allegedly found there? 

I have to ask: Was Herbert Lee a Western fan?

Y’all make sure you take yer meds before continuing to read the stuff below.

Judyth Baker

We are pleased to announce that Pat Hall, owner of the 1026 N. Beckley Ave rooming house, where Lee Harvey Oswld stayed for who knew Lee Harvey Oswald well, will speak at the JFK Assassination Conference to be held at the DoubleTree Mkt Ctr, Nov. 21-24. Built in 1935, Pat's three-bedroom home was bought by Mrs. Gladys Johnson, her grandmother, in 1943.[3] It is currently owned by Pat Hall, who spent every school day afternoon there while her mother was working. By 1963, the house had 7 main floor bedrooms and 5 or more rooms in the basement as well, plus rooms were let out in a large structure at the other end of the property. Pat enjoyed "Mr. Lee" and knew him well. She has fascinating things to say about the REAL Lee Harvey Oswald. Go to https://www.jfkdallasconference.com to get your early bird ticket (prices will go up Oct. 1!).

I'm sure she will be happy to tell everyone about those Westerns Mr Herbert Lee loved to read. Unfortunately she knows nada about Mr Lee Oswald.

According to Billie "Bob" Alexander he was the one who whipped up the address book out there at Beckley. Nice work Billie Boy!

barto wrote:Y’all make sure you take yer meds before continuing to read the stuff below.

Judyth Baker

We are pleased to announce that Pat Hall, owner of the 1026 N. Beckley Ave rooming house, where Lee Harvey Oswld stayed for who knew Lee Harvey Oswald well, will speak at the JFK Assassination Conference to be held at the DoubleTree Mkt Ctr, Nov. 21-24. Built in 1935, Pat's three-bedroom home was bought by Mrs. Gladys Johnson, her grandmother, in 1943.[3] It is currently owned by Pat Hall, who spent every school day afternoon there while her mother was working. By 1963, the house had 7 main floor bedrooms and 5 or more rooms in the basement as well, plus rooms were let out in a large structure at the other end of the property. Pat enjoyed "Mr. Lee" and knew him well. She has fascinating things to say about the REAL Lee Harvey Oswald. Go to https://www.jfkdallasconference.com to get your early bird ticket (prices will go up Oct. 1!).

Sorry, Bart, even with your most ample warning I read the below text without having taken more powerful meds.

The mind-bending, world-shattering nauseum that followed... Well, just note that I WILL be sending you the medical bills for the damages.

Judyth, Very Baker that she is, is doing the same thing as Anderson with his rabbit-in-the-hat: supporting the WC narrative through the guise of combatting it. Anyone who supports the doppel odyssey or her boudoir fantasy will find themselves knee deep in corroboration with the conspiracy.

Even with their supposed "truths", neither of these pseudotheories add anything materially to the investigation.

All they do is further their own agendas and, apparently, none of their acolytes can fathom the fact.

Her stated claim is to exonerate Oswald but all she does in pile more manure on his grave. And, sure, the grave may look nicer thereby but it still stinks to high heaven.

Terry W. Martin wrote:

barto wrote:Y’all make sure you take yer meds before continuing to read the stuff below.

Judyth Baker

We are pleased to announce that Pat Hall, owner of the 1026 N. Beckley Ave rooming house, where Lee Harvey Oswld stayed for who knew Lee Harvey Oswald well, will speak at the JFK Assassination Conference to be held at the DoubleTree Mkt Ctr, Nov. 21-24. Built in 1935, Pat's three-bedroom home was bought by Mrs. Gladys Johnson, her grandmother, in 1943.[3] It is currently owned by Pat Hall, who spent every school day afternoon there while her mother was working. By 1963, the house had 7 main floor bedrooms and 5 or more rooms in the basement as well, plus rooms were let out in a large structure at the other end of the property. Pat enjoyed "Mr. Lee" and knew him well. She has fascinating things to say about the REAL Lee Harvey Oswald. Go to https://www.jfkdallasconference.com to get your early bird ticket (prices will go up Oct. 1!).

Sorry, Bart, even with your most ample warning I read the below text without having taken more powerful meds.

The mind-bending, world-shattering nauseum that followed... Well, just note that I WILL be sending you the medical bills for the damages.

Judyth, Very Baker that she is, is doing the same thing as Anderson with his rabbit-in-the-hat: supporting the WC narrative through the guise of combatting it. Anyone who supports the doppel odyssey or her boudoir fantasy will find themselves knee deep in corroboration with the conspiracy.

Even with their supposed "truths", neither of these pseudotheories add anything materially to the investigation.

All they do is further their own agendas and, apparently, none of their acolytes can fathom the fact.

Her stated claim is to exonerate Oswald but all she does in pile more manure on his grave. And, sure, the grave may look nicer thereby but it still stinks to high heaven.

Exactly Terry,

These buffoons must realise they do untold damage in any new case which might be presented to authorities looking at having the evidence in this matter re-examined with the idea of exonerating Oswald.
I say they must realise, but maybe that's being too kind.

Between the theory of Two bloody Oswald's and JVB's LeeMe shite, it's no wonder the media is conspiracy shy regarding the JFK case. It's a disgrace.  Fancy being presented with these nut jobs as some sort of marquee research.

Mind boggling!

No idea which book this is from. Anyone?

D.P.D. searches, with thanks to uncle Malcolm.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_zlgUKuS-Jhmr9Z4XylxVmh10VebnJN4/view?usp=sharing

barto wrote:
No idea which book this is from. Anyone?

Who Really Killed Kennedy by Jerome Fucking Corsi.