Why Officer Tippit Stopped His Killer

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Why Officer Tippit Stopped His Killer

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/why-officer-tippit-stopped-his-killer

New article at Jim's site. Claims that Officer Tippit was likely murdered in an attempt to further the same conspiracy.

Jake Sykes wrote:

Mick Purdy wrote:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ApjDHmxj-0Cvo7t3rzrJESaZzK2G-eVw/view?usp=sharing

Robert Barrett HSCA. 

Credit Bart Kamp.



Unless I'm misunderstanding this completely Barrett's recollections given to the HSCA state that Decker and he stood on the steps on the 22nd Nov 1963 and over heard the news of President Kennedy having had his last rights read to him. He then states at that point Both Decker and he overheard the news of a police officer having been shot in the Oak Cliff area.

The timeline according to Barrett's version of events at least to my mind is highly suggestive that Tippit was murdered around 1.00pm, if not before.

12:57 PM according to the timeline at this site Mick:
https://www.businessinsider.com/kennedy-assassination-timeline-2013-11?op=1#1245-pm-11
However, that doesn't time stamp this conversation on the steps. It could have been later.

I agree Jake it does not give us a solid timeline of the Tippit murder but when combined with the other information we have here of the timeline it marries. It's just another supporting piece of the puzzle that suggests Tippit may have been killed as early as 12.55-1.06

Dispatcher	78.
12:54pm	78 (Ptm. J.D. Tippit)	78.
	Dispatcher	You are in the Oak Cliff area, are you not?
	78	Lancaster and Eighth.
	Dispatcher	You will be at large for any emergency that comes in.
	78	10-4.

 

Hello, police operator?
1:16pm	Dispatcher	Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.
	Citizen	There's been a shooting out here.
	Dispatcher	Where's it at?
	Dispatcher	The citizen using the police radio . . .
	Citizen	Tenth Street.
	Dispatcher	What location on Tenth Street?
	Citizen	Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street.
	Dispatcher	Can you hear me?
		(Man and woman's voices in background)
	Dispatcher	78.
	Citizen	It's in a police car, number 10.
	Dispatcher	78.
	Dispatcher (?)	78.
	Citizen	Got that?
	Citizen	Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
	Dispatcher	Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.
	Citizen	Thank you.
	35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)	35.
	259 (unknown)	259.
	Dispatcher	The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.
	Dispatcher	91.

 
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm


So the transcribed police radio dispatch communication by the Washington Research Section has Citizen calling in at 1.16pm.


Strange, the Methodist Hospital notes Tippits body arrived DOA at 1.15pm.



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Dispatcher to Tippit at 12.54pm

"you'll be at large for any emegency that comes in"

Tippit reports he is at Lancaster and Eighth.


Tippit was killed not more than 3 1/2 blocks away near 10th and Patton St. sometime after the last communication back to base at 12.54pm.







US secret service report on timing of Tippit's murder at 1.00pm. Taken from copies of the original police dispatch recordings.

Tippit was most likely shot and killed according to this report, around 1.00pm-1.05pm



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In 1977, ambulance driver Clayton 
Butler was interviewed by 
investigators for the House Select 
Committee on Assassinations. When 
asked how long it took him to reach 
the scene, he replied: "I was on the 
scene one minute or less. From the 
time we received the call in our 
dispatch office until Officer Tippit was 
pronounced dead at Methodist 
Hospital was approximately four 
minutes. " 


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The Dudley M. Hughes 
Funeral Home 
 
The ambulance reached the murder 
scene so quickly simply because the 
central ambulance dispatching point 
for southern Dallas was only about 
three blocks away. It was, and still is, 
the Dudley M. Hughes Funeral Home, 
located at 400 East Jefferson 
Boulevard.

Great job, Mick!

Yes, excellent analysis, Mick.

Agreed with Greg and Goban. Great stuff,Mick.

Markham's WC testimony:

Mr. BALL. You left your home to go to work at some time, didn't you, that day?
Mrs. MARKHAM. At one.
Mr. BALL. One o'clock?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it was a little after 1.
Mr. BALL. Where did you intend to catch the bus?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On Patton and Jefferson.


When Pressed by Ball further she replied,


Mr. BALL. You think it was a little after 1?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1.
Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.
Mr. BALL. So it was before 1:15?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it was.



The FBI noted that Markham's walk to the bus stop on Patton and Jefferson would take approximately 2 minutes 30 seconds. 
The bus she would catch is noted to be the 1:12pm.


https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11029#relPageId=73



Ted Calloway states in his November 22nd Affidavit in any fact that he heard shots at about 1.00pm.





T. F. Bowley stated this hand written Affidavit in any fact that he spotted the police squad car on Tenth with the officer lying next to the front left hand wheel as he drove along Tenth. He noted that several people had already gathered at the scene. He also writes that he got out of his car and noticed that his watch showed the time at 1.10pm.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339132/m1/1/



Allowing for Markham to catch her bus at 1.12pm and her 2 minute 30 second walk to the bus stop from her house then this would most likely see her having left home sometime just after 1.00pm.

According to Calloway's Affidavit taken on the 22nd November he recollects hearing shots at around 1.00pm.


And finally according to T. F. Bowley's 22nd November Affidavit he drove from his daughters school (R. L. Thornotn Elementary) Singing Hills after picking her up at around 12.55pm. He was on his way to collect his wife from work at the telephone company on Ninth and Zangs when he came across the Tippit scene on Tenth.

If Bowley was accurate in his recollection of the timing - then his 1.10pm glance at his watch as he approached the scene with people already gathered suggests Tippit was killed some minutes before then.

These timelines are very suggestive at least to my mind that Tippit was killed sometime between 1.00pm and 1.09pm. 



I'm assuming D.O.A means just that. This states Tippit was pronounced Dead at 1.15pm by the hospital staff. Allowing for the time it might possibly take to make that decision then the Ambulance could have arrived at the hospital sometime prior to 1.15pm.

Interestingly the Tippit Police supplementary offence report written here has the pronouncement of Tippit's death typed in as 1.15pm. Clearly this time was altered in that report from what looks like either 1.00pm 1.06pm or 1.08pm.

Thanks Mick. Pure, clean and simple. Not even a close call. This nails it. 

No way in living hell could the WC get him to the showdown on time (the real time, that is).

T. F. Bowley stated in this hand written Affidavit in any fact that he spotted the police squad car on Tenth with the officer lying next to the front left hand wheel as he drove along Tenth. He noted that several people had already gathered at the scene. He also writes that he got out of his car and noticed that his watch showed the time at 1.10pm.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339132/m1/1/

According to T F Bowley's Affidavit on the 22nd November his journey from the school where he had picked up his daughter at the R. L. Thornton Elementary school and then onto the Tippit murder scene on E Tenth corroborates his timing of events. He states he left the school around 12.55pm. He also states that just after having arrived at the Tippit scene he looked at his watch. The time he noted was 1.10pm.

A quick view of Google maps shows us that the journey he spoke of driving North on Marsalis as he stated in his affidavit would have taken approximately 15 minutes. This confirms at least to my mind that Bowley was being truthful about his recollection of the timing of events.




Bowley's story all but confirms the timeline for J. D. Tippit having been killed before 1.10pm.

T. F. Bowley 2nd December Affidavit. 1:10pm Looked at his watch.







Barbara Davis 22nd November Affidavit.   Shortly after 1:00pm.     -   I heard a shot.






Sam Guinyard Affidavit 22nd November.   Today at about 1:00pm - I heard some shooting.

Helen Markham 22nd November Affidavit.  At approximately 1:06pm .









Ted Calloway 22nd November Affidavit.  I heard some shots. This was about 1:00pm

Excerpt from 

The Radical Right and the Murder of John F. Kennedy: 
By Harrison E. Livingstone




This interview with Holan was clearly done years after the fact by researcher Michael Brownlow.
It tends to agree with the very early affidavits taken on or around November 22nd 1963.


And this from Higgins,

We know from the recordings we have in the public domain now that the timeline on those transcripts of the transmissions around the time of Officer Tippit's last known confirmed radio message at 12.54pm - that the timeline on the police log starts to become problematic when trying to match the radio calls to the witness statements. That includes Doctors statements, police statements, ambulance drivers statements and eye witnesses to the Tippit murder. Nothing on the radio log we see or hear today between the time of  12.54pm and 1. 26 pm - possibly  longer seems to correlate with what witnesses statements from the 22nd November have shown. There are also two possible erasures which seem to be evident on the existing copy of the radio log which occur just after the time of Tippit allegedly being sent to a disturbance call. If they are erasures then that is highly suspicious to my mind.


The document here is A Secret Service Communication signed and dated 1st December 1963.





A USSSTD document dated 1st December 1963. 
Investigation initiated 29-30 November.

Police Radio Channels 1 and 2 were to be sent to the US Washington Protective Research Section for filtering, re-recording, and transcription.

There is very good reason to believe that erasures might have been made in the copy of the radio log which would be be sent back to the Dallas police Dept.
Any audio transmissions from the original Police radio logs, channels 1 and 2 which did not correlate with the unfolding narrative could have been deleted, edited or added in at the WPRS.


Interestingly the Synopsis stated in the document for the reason for performing the re-recording and transcriptions was to track the "flight" of Lee Oswald from the scene of the assassination to the scene of Tippit's murder.

Dennis posted this on Facebook.

Vinny wrote:Dennis posted this on Facebook.

Thanks Vinny,

this only adds to suspicion. Documents in MFF claim the were responding to a "disturbance call", not making a routine check.

And what was he doing wrong? All that is said here is that they "saw a lone man drinking at a booth." So why did they want him to go out to the squad car? 

I bet none of the ten witnesses were asked for statements.

Myers Vs The Education Forum.

https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2022/07/lies-and-deception-in-tippit-murder.html

Most clocks run slow because their power source weakens (especially those mechanically or battery powered) or is interrupted. I would suppose that the clock used to note Tippit’s time of death was an electrically mounted wall clock powered by the hospital’s building current. How likely is it that the hospital had power outages totaling 15 minutes? If this was a known problem, why didn’t anyone use their personal watch?

Myers believes that Tippit’s killer was walking west toward Tippit’s approaching car when the killer did an about face which aroused Tippit’s suspicion. I find this plausible. However, if you accept Myers time of the shooting as 1:16:30 and Oswald as the shooter, you have to then account for the extra time Oswald would have spent walking past the shooting site AND retracing his steps. You also have to explain why Oswald would have been walking at such a rapid pace as though he has a specific destination in mind and then suddenly change direction by 180 degrees. Alternatively, if you accept the WC scenario, you would also have to explain why Oswald would change direction 180 degrees after the shooting.

I don’t accept the acoustics evidence for the number of shots or location of origin largely because of the location of the open microphone. If the dictabelts are altered, does that impeach the acoustics evidence?

I think Greg's theory is the correct and logical one. The Tippit murder was not related to the assassination but was a unrelated gang murder. It was some elements in the DPD who made it seem that way by framing Oswald for both.

I find it odd that Tippit was called to 12th and Marsalis within spitting distance of Ruby's apartment.
Also, was there any official or un-official reason given for him having a spare uniform in his car?
great thread...

Garn G wrote:I find it odd that Tippit was called to 12th and Marsalis within spitting distance of Ruby's apartment.
Also, was there any official or un-official reason given for him having a spare uniform in his car?
great thread...

Firstly, I meant to add to my response to you in the other thread - welcome to the forum. Only a small percentage of those who join actually post, so thanks for taking the leap and joining in. 

Not sure that he was sent to that specific location, though it is possible. He seems to have been called to a disturbance somewhere in that area. 

Also not sure if this shows a uniform or not. 



Could be a civilian jacket. Could be a raincoat. Could be a spare uniform. Could be something else entirely. 

Not even sure what the conspiratorial angle would be if it actually is a spare uniform. I do know that they patrolled solo during the day (unless breaking in a rookie - which Tippit was not designated to do). They did patrol in pairs of a night - which may account for it.

I'm guessing that there is a belief that a non-cop might have used it in the assassination.  If that guess is right, I have some issues with it.

When, why and how did the non-cop change out of the uniform and leave it with Tippit?

Such a scenario would also imply that Tippit was part of the plot - whcih again, I have issues with - based on information in his personnel file which indicates he was unsuitable to be a cop - let alone part of any hit team.

Thanks Greg..

Yeah, it could be anything. I too don't know how reliable any information is from that day or the days following.
One can be sure anything Mr Huge Anusworth says is pro establishment prattle...

Mr Huge Anusworth

Childish. Very childish.

I'm stealing it.

Could he have picked up the spare uniform from the cleaners or perhaps intended to take it to the cleaners?

Wasn’t Ruby supposed to be at Parkland Hospital at about the time of the Tippit murder, per Seth Kantor? Kantor seems very credible but I have some difficulty with no one else seeing the gregarious Ruby at the hospital. Ruby was also supposed to have delivered guns to the grassy knoll, been at tge Dallas Times Herald, at the Terminal Annex Building and in front of the TSBD.

Maybe it’s time for a Jack and Leon scenario a la Harvey and Lee.