Judyth Baker - a credible source?

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While reading on William Greer on spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk, I found following statement, obviously, from book of JVB:

Lee (Harvey Oswald) told me that the driver’s habits (William Greer) had been studied, and a shot going off would cause him to brake, which would slow the vehicle down. This was desired because even this cabal feared Aristotle Onassis, who would send killers out to track down anyone who killed Jackie Kennedy, or so the rumor went – and besides, everybody liked Jackie and orders were out not to hit her. It was to spare Jackie that some very expert marksmen missed or delayed their shots that day in Dealey Plaza: she was in their line of sight a great deal of the time, according to David Ferrie, who got the report from Marcello's henchmen as soon as he arrived in the Houston area.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgreerW.htm

Well, I think it is impossible. Conspirators, whoever they were, couldn't have any materials on behaviour of certain SS agents under stress situation, since I believe the very SS did no perform such tests and studies (and thus failed a lot during November 22).

I find such claims from JVB indicates that her story is not 100% truth.

Stan..thats a cease and desist order from Trine Day just waiting t happen..Judy wrote that song..Zappa fell in love with her when he saw her front the Mormon Tabernacle Choir..Judy was the founder..
Who do you think Paul McCartney wrote Hey Jude for? It was originally called Hey Judy..Macca fell in love with her when she cured his sheepdog Martba of rabies..sucked the rabies right out the poor dog's asshole.. The Graduate was about Judy and Lee.."where have you gone Jimmy Garrison?..Judy turns her naked eyes to you.."
And what about Judy in Disguise with Glasses? John Fred was really a CIA psyops specialist..allegedly the love child of Jim Angleton and Mary Meyer..the song was all about Judy and Lee..she wore glasses when she posed as Marina..
In fact Judy was singlehandedly responsible for 1960s counterculture..fuck she inspired the Beat Generation too..Howl for Judy Vary..i saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by Alton Ocshner..
What do you think Naked Lunch was about? High on mescaline Burroughs had a divine vision of Judy and Anna Lewis writhing snakelike down Camp Street..
Song for Guy? Need i go on?
The whole fucking world owes Judy..and you grudge her a few thousand dollars..disgusting..I'm off t see Malcolm Mundy..he'll put a nasty dose of natal Plutos up uranus then you troll punks will be sorry...

The evidence she has posted is on a par with the evidence used in her books.... vaguely suggestive but a million miles from proof.

The meds shown cannot be purchased in the US. Poland is one place that they can be obtained. By the same token, some of them are by prescription only and there is no indication of any being prescribed. It could also be said that none of them would be unusual for a woman of her age. 

I agree with Steely. She is in Europe -- on holiday. Her latest dispatch said the new operation has to take place in another country - a country again not specified. Well, you wouldn't want to spend your whole Euro vacation in Poland, would you?

I love how she can't hold a paint brush for more than a few minutes but can type all day on facebook. I also love how she can't name the hospital... I mean... who knows, one pf hr flock might send flowers or a card. Can't have them going to that expense for li'l ol' her!

I am actually looking forward to seeing how this all plays out. I think the operation will have to be ditched altogether and she will make a miracle recovery thanks to the power of prayer (or maybe there is patron saint over there who can pull off this miracle for her?) How else is she going to explain the lack of operation scars?

I bow t your superior reasoning Greg..after all your the smartest detective outside of Sanibel Precinct.
The boxes of medication just look so phony, no hospital, even in some Third World hellhole like Poland just hands out medication by the boxful.
Wherever she is- Nth Carolina, Krakow, Outer Mongolia or squatting in Santa's penthouse suite in the Lapland Hilton- it's all just part of the scam.
Maybe she just wanted a holiday..i mean it must get pretty stressful being followed by assassins 24/7.
It's very thoughtful of her..keeping her pursuers so well informed about her movements..i guess that's just our Judy..humble altruistic and God fearing t a fault. She better pray there is no hell cos with all the fucking lies she's told and people she's conned she's pretty much guaranteed herself an eternity of shoveling fiery gerbils up Beelzebuls back passage being whipped by hordes of impossibly obese Fetzer headed imps..
I think your probably right..next there'll be a dramatic relapse maybe she'll slip on a potato peel...temporary concussion followed by a perforated DeGrillas doughnut or maybe a temporary psychosis..she'll start running around Europe claiming she was Timothy McVeighs secret geisha/ confidant and the CIA were using them t put LSD in the fertilizer and pig swill t brainwash Mid Western farmers and turn them into mindless automatons ready t invade the Middle East..i mean how ridiculous would that be..
Judy at death's door..blurred Polaroids of her staring beatifically at one of Dave Ferries toupees...my dear friends..I'm desperate..conventional medicine has failed..the doctors have given me days t live..my only hope is a Altai shaman from the Siberian steppes..we need $50 000 t fly him t my bedside..
( cue even blurrier Polaroids of Dicke Hooke dressed as Tonto ,shaking one of the toy Remingtons Dim Wankbaar is marketing ,over the helpless Judy. A saintlike smile on her face)
Then lo and behold a miracle!! St Charles of Ponzi ,patron saints of grifters intercedes and Judy's cured..all she needs is another 4 grand t build a votive chapel on the site of the miracle..A tin foil Fatima..with rows of gullibe blue rinsed late middle aged Louisiana widows hawking plaster busts of Judy..or is it Marina or Ava Gardner?( personally i think she looks like a cross between a baby Godzilla, Hattie Jacques,Gizmo from the Gremlins and a transvestite Ayatollah Khomeini impersonator) and bottles of "Holy Water"..picture Judy and Dickie Hooke spitting into bottles of Chernobyl Spring Mineral Water..
It just makes me sick..sick and angry..try googling David Ferrie..practically all you see is her pinched porcine snout gurning out in triumph..with that rodent faced( half man half gerbil perhaps) huckster Kris Millegan scurrying furtively in the background..like some MK Ultra'd Uriah Heep( no Brian not the band)("What's that you say? Your the lovechild of Chauncey Holt and Beverly Oliver? You were raised in a CIA assassin's factory in Roswell and you played baseball with the little green man who crashed there..you had an illicit affair with Fidel Castro and Che Guevara..you were behind the picket fence..in the bushes beside Jim's Grill..in the pantry of the Ambassador hotel and you had a threesome in the conservatory with Miss Scarlet and Professor Plum using a lead pipe and a candlestick..you spent the 70s living in Pat Nixon's knicker drawer and the 80s and 90s living in Osama Bin Laden's beard..then you moved t Buda Texas t open a mail order business selling HGH and starving vulnerable middle aged widows and conning them out of their life savings..your evidence? A used 50 year old condom, a piece of chewing gum, a programme from the Sanibel Island Amateur Dramatic Society..no i didn't know Driller Killer started out as a musical..yes Mr Butler your exactly the sort of author Trine Day is looking for..if you'll just step into my office..don't worry about that guy going thru the trash that's just Dickie Hooke..he collects anything and i mean ANYTHING that has Judy Bakers saliva on it")...
Commissar Drago should have put on his Deep Political thinking cap before he plastered his name all over Trine Day's version of Evicas book.
Son of a CIA man sets up publishing company that issues a torrent of atrociously disinformational tin foil tabloid trash..thus damaging the credibility, perhaps irrevocably, of any serious authors.
No nothing at all suspicious here..instead why don't you just continue attempting t persecute every poor unenlightened soul who doesn't grasp the full genius of your vision..that's the ticket..continue t out everyone whose ever dared t offer an opinion on the JFK assassination as cognitively impaired agent provocateurs..or weaponising the truth as you call it.
I fear Mr Drago would be hard pressed t weaponise a bunker full of 10 megaton hydrogen bombs nor would he know the truth if he ventured in t a celestial jazz club t see Plato Buddha Confucius St John the Baptist and Jack D White of Fort Worth Texas lay down some grooves

Meanwhile Judyth's latest dispatch from Treblinka Vacation Camp #3 for Wayward Boys and Girls (where she is undergoing life-saving emergency deposits into her pay-pal account), tells us...  "We are pleased to announce that, in support of CAPA and its objectives, which we had pledged to publicize this year, another CAPA member, David Knight, will join members Casey Quinlan and Brian Edwards to address our early bird attendees on Thursday, Nov. 21, at the 7th Annual JFK Assassination Conference."

So that's it. I officially give up on CAPA. How many ways and how many times can you explain to them that having anything to do with fake witnesses, con-artist authors and a huckster book publisher, all supported by the UFO fraternity, end-timers and assorted other nut-jobs is kind of antithetical to a search for facts, mainstream acceptance of said facts, the correction to history, and a bringing forth of whatever justice may still be possible... not to mention the complete loss of all dignity and credibility among peers. 

CAPA and Judyth just need to get a room and consummate the relationship properly. The Karma Tsunami or a Tantric Tantrum? Who knows? Who cares. Just keep the noise down. The rest of have actual work to do.

Could some of your frustration stem from the fact that you've never had the urge to roll around on Lee's grave....dance on it.......piss on it maybe?
Thanks to Judyth desecration is now a bucket list event. Some CAPA guys can tick it off.

It must be comforting for some of the old timers t see Vaudeville is still going strong..this "conference" appearance assures them charter member status of the travelling conspiracy medicine show( having Larry Rivera nearly appear at their mock trial- and what a fucking triumph that was!! With viewing figures in the dozen- only guaranteed them affiliate status)
It's all showbiz now. Cheap tawdry hucksterism of the worst sort. Conspiracy is their business and their business is conspiracy.
Quite coincidentally i was reading thru the original Oswald leaving the TSBD thread on Ed forum..Bill Kelly's comments really disappointed me. I genuinely thought he was one of the good guys....
But on the bright side i heard the only way t cure fixations with the 2FLRE is t go for a good roll around on top of Lee's grave( its an old DPD folk remedy)..while Beverly Oliver sings " My Country Tis of Thee" and Judy provides a natural percussive accompaniment. Did you know her Moonies Pendulum is exactly the same girth as John Bonhams?
Jimmy Page wanted her t join Led Zep..but she had t decline..Gen Westmoreland had fallen in love with her you see and had arranged for her t tour Vietnam with the USO..she was Jane Fondas double you see and the plan was t doppelgang her for miss Fonda and send her on a mission t Hanoi..
It's all in her latest book...
Have you guy's heard of Poes Law?...the more extreme right wing reactionaries are really "deep cover liberals" trying t undermine the cause from within. A slight modification of the classic agent provocateur template.
I suggest we start a ROKC wiki for assassination related fallacies:
Bakers Law- the more far out and wacky the witness is the more likely they are t b deep state stooges and/or cheapjack hustlers out t con the cretinous true believers.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Butler's Law- the more extreme the alterationist fantasy the more likely the said purveyor is an escapee from a high security psychiatric facility.
And of course:
Doyle's Postulate- everything that comes out of Brian Doyle's mouth/keyboard is guaranteed t b weapons grade bullshit.
Other proposed laws- the Millegan Law..the White Law..the Palamara Law..the TrotterImage Law..the Macrae Phallusy..

Bill Kelly seems to be not much different from the kooky Cters.

I agree Vinny, at first i thought he was pretty clued up...until i had a close look at his blog.
His stuff about Valkyrie is an absolute crock of shit, riddled with basic schoolboy errors. The level of incredulity and gullibility in hallowed "CT" circles is shocking.
Time and time again the most venerated CT myth collapses under even the most cursory superficial examination.
I can't understand it...how a load of Ivy League PhDs could have fallen for such nonsense.
Institutionalized gullibility that allows parasites like Baker t prosper..and the thing is they refuse t fucking learn. The same mistakes over and over again. It fills me with a sense of revulsion..tempered with despair.
I can almost understand what causes a Dave Reitzes t rebel. Almost. I guess it depends how strong your constitution is. So called CT research is smug self righteous and complacent... its nauseating and suffocating. And the level of stupidity on display is utterly shocking.
They've alienated the best minds of future generations..i saw the best minds of future generations destroyed by Don Jefferies..dragging themselves thru the Fetzer streets at dawn looking for an angry fix..inside the machinery of David Liftons bowels...

Speaking of CAPA guess who else hopes to speak at their conference.

https://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2019/06/i-am-applying-to-be-speaker-at-capa-jfk.html

Now if only Doyle can also get a slot there it will be a perfect conference of kooks.

Vinny wrote:Speaking of CAPA guess who else hopes to speak at their conference.

https://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2019/06/i-am-applying-to-be-speaker-at-capa-jfk.html

Now if only Doyle can also get a slot there it will be a perfect conference of kooks.

Let's see if they accept him.

Not that it matters. Just telling him to make a submission is bad enough because it is treating him like a serious potential speaker - and that much alone plays into his hands because as we can see, he gets to talk about how CAPA invited him to make that submission. He gets to look credible, no matter what.

So fuck CAPA and the ass they rode in on. Clowns. Utter fucking clueless clowns. No more. They have used up all their get out of jail free cards as fa I am concerned.

This is just another example of how the immediate post Oliver Stone generation of researchers annihilated the credibility of this case and opened the door t a procession of fantasists and con men.
Their stalwart efforts have relegated the JFK assassination t the tabloid gutter. Condemning JFK himself t a twilight netherworld along with Marilyn Monroe's enemas and the little green man from Roswell.
What gets me is the way they celebrate that fact..as if a National Enquirer headline about JVB and Rafaelo the Archangel is actually desirable.
If it wasn't for ROKC Prayerman would have ended up in the same cosmic limbo as the Zapruder Film...and wasn't that exactly what they tried t do?
Clinging onto a provable lie just because it hints at conspiracy is no better than what the Warren Commission did.
Cinque like Doyle is an inevitable product of the internet age. A deluded horrendously untalented little asshole whose been given a platform.
There aught t b an equation- their actual talents are directly inverse of what they believe them t be. Put simply- Less talent More type.
CAPA have sunk themselves. Anyone even peripherally associated with Cinque looses any claim t credibility...
I just visited the OIC blog...a colour photo of Jack Nicholson in a hat proves that shadows were drawn round the eye of an unknown Jack Ruby impersonator proves that it was actually FBI agent James Bookhout who shot Oswald.
Unknown doppelgangers with fake hand drawn sunglasses..toupee wearing FBI agent Jack Ruby impersonators wandering around the DPD basement...its beyond parody.
Either Cinque has the IQ of a mentally handicapped Macaque monkey or he's the greatest fucking comic genius of all time.
"Ralph C Cinque- assassination researcher" is a comic creation worrhy of Peter Sellers himself..with an SS uniform wearing Albert Doyle as Cato..

Ralph has hinted at a sequel to My Stretch on his FB page.

I think he might appreciate some help with title suggestions.

Sequel idea #1- The stretch mark on my Texas hound.
Bestiality loving Texas dog pound worker battles with dog eating North Korean terrorist. Tag line " That's not how we eat our dogs in Texas"
Sequel idea #2- Das Dehnungsstreifen der mein Texas hund.
Bestiality loving Texan Nazi memorabilia collector battles with Sanibel Island fetishist over fully functional life size model of Hitler's alsatian Blondi
Tag line- That's not how we stuff our dogs in Texas
Sequel idea #3 Stretched and Bound in Texas
Fearless sheriff undercovers grotesque satanic S&M cult murderer masquerading as local " health spa operator"
Tag line -That's not how we use handcuffs in Texas...
Sequel idea #4- Found Stretched in the Texas Ground
A ghoul from the Fooish swamps of Florida goes a grave robbin' down in Texas
Tag line- We let sleeping Hidells lie down here in Texas..

alex wilson wrote:Sequel idea #1- The stretch mark on my Texas hound.
Bestiality loving Texas dog pound worker battles with dog eating North Korean terrorist. Tag line " That's not how we eat our dogs in Texas"
Sequel idea #2- Das Dehnungsstreifen der mein Texas hund.
Bestiality loving Texan Nazi memorabilia collector battles with Sanibel Island fetishist over fully functional life size model of Hitler's alsatian Blondi
Tag line- That's not how we stuff our dogs in Texas
Sequel idea #3 Stretched and Bound in Texas
Fearless sheriff undercovers grotesque satanic S&M cult  murderer masquerading as local " health spa operator"
Tag line -That's not how we use handcuffs in Texas...
Sequel idea #4- Found Stretched in the Texas Ground
A ghoul from the Fooish swamps of Florida goes a grave robbin' down in Texas
Tag line- We let sleeping Hidells lie down here in Texas..

Geez, you don't make it easy for the poor Spartan.

Ralph's base would really dig #4... but #1 is topical and what with TV cooking shows being so popular, it may have broader appeal.

Alongside Dorothy Kilgallens autopsy photos and the VBLs infamous centrefold spread for Sanitation Worker's Weekly ( she almost did a nude calender for Pest Controllers and Executioners Monthly back in 1969.."We couldn't use Old Sparky for months after" Lucretia Gilbride, Texas's first transsexual execution technician grumbled " We were finding fried crabs and frazzled crustaceans everywhere and it smelt like Poseidon himself had been electrocuted"...until the Texas Environmental Health Commission intervened ) that photo of the Big Event has pride of place on Don Jefferies wall..just don't ask how he stuck it up there and for Armstrong's sake don't ask why his Mae Brussell blow up doll looks so bloated..
Add Doyle Cinque and Jefferies and that poster could be ROKCs Most Wanted.
And there's more tin foil on that poster than what the Wisconsin CIA( cunningly disguised as plumbers) found stuffed up Fetzers u bend when the Sandy Hook verdict came in...enough tin foil in fact t paper an entire basement in Sanibel Island..and the coffin Brian sleeps in too
" My mom forced me t get it" he snuffled as he slid clumsily under the female interviewers seat " are you related t my mommie?" he squealed " she doesn't have a pee pee stick either...yes my mom made me get a coffin because she was sick of me always strangling myself when i attempted auto erotic asphyxiation with Mary Meyer's gusset..the CIA killed her..and Hendrix too..I'm the world authority on Prayer Woman too..do you want t see the drawing i did of the TSBD doorway? I only used my own bodily fluids..wait come back..don't run away...how did you loosen your chains?.."
If they attempted #4 Greg there would probably be another couple of documentaries t add t your list a few months later..
Ralph's "anthem" "He didn't do It" would take on a whole OTHER meaning too..
Larry Rivera and and that guy on the OIC page that looks like something an MK Ultra'd Dr Mengele might have dreamt up leading a candle lit vigil in a Texas cemetery..
" Ralph is a keen amateur archaeologist..that's the only reason he was in that graveyard with a shovel..he had nothing at all t do with the recent spate of bodysnatching..and his DNA that was found on that corpse on the grassy knoll was planted..those photos are faked too..someone Liftonified Ralphs forehead and Doylefied his foreskin"

greg parker wrote:

alex wilson wrote:Sequel idea #1- The stretch mark on my Texas hound.
Bestiality loving Texas dog pound worker battles with dog eating North Korean terrorist. Tag line " That's not how we eat our dogs in Texas"
Sequel idea #2- Das Dehnungsstreifen der mein Texas hund.
Bestiality loving Texan Nazi memorabilia collector battles with Sanibel Island fetishist over fully functional life size model of Hitler's alsatian Blondi
Tag line- That's not how we stuff our dogs in Texas
Sequel idea #3 Stretched and Bound in Texas
Fearless sheriff undercovers grotesque satanic S&M cult  murderer masquerading as local " health spa operator"
Tag line -That's not how we use handcuffs in Texas...
Sequel idea #4- Found Stretched in the Texas Ground
A ghoul from the Fooish swamps of Florida goes a grave robbin' down in Texas
Tag line- We let sleeping Hidells lie down here in Texas..

Geez, you don't make it easy for the poor Spartan.

Ralph's base would really dig #4... but #1 is topical and what with TV cooking shows being so popular, it may have broader appeal.

#1 is well worth making. An Aussie troll punk sect hire the NK guy to convert Texans into dog lovers......eating or whatever....To speed up the process he makes his deliveries in a car with two rear ends.

I should add.....under his Fonz leather jacket the NK  guy always wears a bikini.

Kinda like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang crossed with Lassie Come Home..
Brian was born t play t role of the Kiddie Catcher..in a flying car stuffed with dead gerbils and LSD laced gobstoppers. Soaring over Sanibel Island
Lassie hears moaning from an old abandoned mine..she runs in bravely t b confronted with a leather g string wearing Ralph Cinque brandishing a tranquilizer gun and a tube of KY Jelly..
" Come here nice doggie let Uncle Ralphie Loveladyfy your rear end.."
Cue Larry Rivera, who pops up dressed as an erotic elf waving a heavily soiled photo of Lassie
" Ralphie you do know Lassie is a girl dog right?"

Forget a car with two rear ends Steely..in this particular movie i suspect we'll be dealing with a dog with two rear ends..
A NK dog eating leather jacket and bikini wearing ninja assassin sent t Texas t capture Lassie.
After her serious Oxycontin addiction Lassies recovering at a Santa Claus themed animal sanctuary cum canine starvation camp "Dach(sund)au" in the wilds of Buda Texas.
But a crazed " animal lover" from Florida has other ideas..
Kinda like Catch the Pigeon with dogs and gerbils instead of pigeons..
Brian and LarryTrotterImage as Dastardly and Muttley..
Wait..I'm confusing myself..Chitty Chitty Bang Bang..Lassie Come Home..Dastardly and Muttley..a North Korean Fonz impersonator assassin wearing a bikini..this is either Dealey Plaza at 12.31 pm on Nov 22nd 1963 according t John Butler or that nightmare Brian had when he went naked rambling in the Sanibel badlands and passed out with sunstroke..

A dog with two rear ends.
Brilliant!

It's a pity Mr Weinsteins " otherwise engaged" this is the sort of project he would really be into doing..if you catch my drift.
Add some ruhypnol and a bevy of naive teenage actresses desperate for their big break and wed have ourselves a multi million dollar budget before you could say John Armstrong..
In fact if we forget the ruhypnol and the actresses and give the North Korean assassin a Russian speaking doppelganger with a magical mastoidectomy scar..Lee Suk Cok and Harvey Suk Lee Cok..maybe Mr Armstrong could be persuaded t finance the film himself...

alex wilson wrote:Kinda like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang crossed with Lassie Come Home..

To the tune of "Gimme Dat Ding."

Great idea Stan..only problem is wed have t pay Trine Day royalties for using it, since Judy Baker wrote it. Here's an idea t help pay for your" operation"
The Great Judy Baker Songbook sung by Ralph Cinque. All vocals recorded live at Brighter Whiter studios, Buda Texas except:
Lyrics t Mr Secret Agent Man written by Lee Oswald one afternoon in the back of a van in Adrian Albas garage..Love Hurts( Baker/Oswald) a duet recorded by Lee and Judy live in Dave Ferries apartment..Suite Judy Bakers Eyes recorded livee at the 1963 New Orleans Mardi Gras Festival by Baker, Oswald and Lewis.
Mama Mia( Oswald/Oswald/Baker) part of the Clinton Barbershop Sessions..recorded live by Lee, Harvey, Judy and the two Marguerites..
It's Raining Men( Baker/Ferrie/Bertrand) recorded live in the Masquerade Bar New Orleans by Dave Ferrie, Clay Bertrand and Judy Baker.
Smack My Bitch Up( Baker/Trejo/Thornley) recorded by Lee and Judy in the garden in Neely St.
From Russia With Love( Oswald/ Oswald/Baker) recorded by Harvey and Lee with backing vocals by the Red Army Choir.